[DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Thomas Törnblom
tipo874 at gmail.com
Tue Sep 18 22:14:54 EDT 2018
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nobodys-fuel/
> 19 sep. 2018 kl. 03:24 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>
> Larry,
>
> Hilarious urban legend....
>
> [1]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nobodys-fuel/
>
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 18, 2018, at 17:59, Larry Larsen <[2]gp4pantera at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Google the name... Charles Nelson Pogue, followed by Tom Ogle.
> Both developed carburetors that allowed vehicles to go 200 miles to a
> gallon.A Oil companies then put lead, (later banned) then later
> other
> fillers to muck up the working of vapor carburation.A You tube
> "vapor
> carburetors" and you can see the concepts.A
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 1:59 PM Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[1][3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> A A I kinda recall that Who Framed Roger Rabbit was loosely based
> on GM
> A A buying and closing the LA light rail/street cars?
> A A
> A
> __________________________________________________________________
> A A From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[2][4]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> A A To: Will Kooiman <[3][5]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin
> A A <[4][6]rob at dumoulins.net>; JFFR <[5][7]pantera at vtc.net>
> A A Cc: P - Mail List <[6][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:31 PM
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California
> banning
> A A fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our
> cars?
> A A Agreed!A Politics and Nonsense!!A That's all it is.A We
> (technically)
> A A can solve anything. But you need to take the
> A A brain-dead politics out of it.A Other forms of energy will
> (hopefully)
> A A "reduce" our dependence on fossil fuels.
> A A If you wanna know what we (yes HUMANS) are doing to this
> planet, come
> A A to JPL and I will give you a tour of the
> A A Earth Sciences Center.A Pure unaltered science data from the
> last 75
> A A years before your very eyes. Projected on a
> A A 20ft globe of the earth. If you don't get it by then, well....
> A A OBTW -A Don't like regulations? Plan a trip to any Chinese
> industrial
> A A area. I still remember LA Brown-outs. Orange
> A A A A A A A A A A pollution so thick they sent kids home
> from school. You
> A A couldn't even see the mountains.A A A Lovely.
> A A A A A A A A A A My friend (Thomas) works for Fitbit.
> All are built in
> A A China. He wears a mask every day while on-site.
> A A OBTW OBTW - Why no Mass Transit in LA? Read the LA History
> Books. In
> A A the early 30's (besides the massive corruption)
> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A the car and rubber
> industry, wanting to
> A A sell more cars, formed small companies, bought all the
> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A light-rail and
> dismantled them. Sold the
> A A land. They got their wish. A lot more cars. Now the tax payers
> A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A are paying billions to
> bring back trains.
> A A Hmmm?A What vision!
> A A Take the politics out of it... and do the right thing!
> A A </off-soap-box ;->
> A A Terry
> A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> A A Terry W. Himes
> A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> A A Dawn Spacecraft Team
> A A Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> A A Phone: (818) 393-6261
> A A Cell:A A (818) 653-8213
> A A [1][7][9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> A A d--od-,
> A A i>>?On 9/18/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
> A A <[2][8][10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
> of
> A A [3][9][11]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> A A A A ThatA^1s a cool solution (2 lakes).
> A A A A IA^1ve thought about a similar energy storage system for
> an
> A A off-grid system.
> A A A A IA^1ll never do it, but IA^1ve often wondered if it were
> possible.
> A A A A I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in the
> US to
> A A provide
> A A A A power to the US for 300 years.A I donA^1t know if
> thatA^1s actually
> A A true, but
> A A A A itA^1s an interesting idea.
> A A A A If the US would stop with all of the politics and
> nonsense, we
> A A could
> A A A A create an energy infrastructure that makes sense.A Use
> all
> A A available
> A A A A energy sources.
> A A A A On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob
> Dumoulin"
> A A A A <[4][10][12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
> behalf of
> A A [5][11][13]rob at dumoulins.net>
> A A A A wrote:
> A A A A >A I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical
> company.AA They
> A A had two
> A A A A >A lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one
> low). In
> A A A A >A high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow
> through the dam
> A A to
> A A A A >A generate power during peak then pump it back into
> the
> higher
> A A reservoir
> A A A A >A at night when it was off peak.AA A
> A A A A >A Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual
> motion
> A A machine to
> A A A A >A even out capacity vs. demand.AA True statement that
> the first
> A A person or
> A A A A >A individual that comes up with a viable no-loss
> electrical
> A A storage
> A A A A >A system will be rich.
> A A A A >A Rob DuMoulin
> A A A A >A 904.476.8744
> A A A A >A On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR
> <[1][6][12][14]pantera at vtc.net>
> A A wrote:
> A A A A >
> A A A A >A A Electric rates going up is an understatement! I
> also worked my
> A A A A >A A entire life in the electric generating industry
> and I can
> A A honestly
> A A A A >A A say that all of these new regulations end up
> costing the rate
> A A payers
> A A A A >A A a lot of money. California currently gets a lot
> of
> electricity
> A A from
> A A A A >A A Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is
> generated by
> A A coal.
> A A A A >A A There is also a bill coming up in November for
> Arizona to be
> A A using
> A A A A >A A 100 percent renewable electricity by a certain
> year.
> A A A A >A A People fail to understand that when the sun
> doesn't shine and
> A A the
> A A A A >A A wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable
> energy sources
> A A stop
> A A A A >A A producing power. Until someone comes up with a
> battery storage
> A A A A >A A system that can supply power to the grid after
> dark, having
> A A 100
> A A A A >A A percent renewable electric power is only a dream.
> Of course if
> A A A A >A A people are willing to put up with blackouts, then
> this might
> A A work.
> A A A A >A A Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity is
> going to be
> A A here.
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[1]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nobodys-fuel/
19 sep. 2018 kl. 03:24 skrev Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
Larry,
Hilarious urban legend....
[1][3]https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nobodys-fuel/
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 18, 2018, at 17:59, Larry Larsen <[2][4]gp4pantera at gmail.com>
wrote:
Google the name... Charles Nelson Pogue, followed by Tom Ogle.
Both developed carburetors that allowed vehicles to go 200 miles to
a
gallon.A Oil companies then put lead, (later banned) then later
other
fillers to muck up the working of vapor carburation.A You tube
"vapor
carburetors" and you can see the concepts.A
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 1:59 PM Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[1][3][5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A I kinda recall that Who Framed Roger Rabbit was loosely
based
on GM
A A buying and closing the LA light rail/street cars?
A A
A
__________________________________________________________________
A A From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
<[2][4][6]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
A A To: Will Kooiman <[3][5][7]will.kooiman at gmail.com>; Rob
Dumoulin
A A <[4][6][8]rob at dumoulins.net>; JFFR
<[5][7][9]pantera at vtc.net>
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<[6][8][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:31 PM
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California
banning
A A fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of
our
cars?
A A Agreed!A Politics and Nonsense!!A That's all it is.A We
(technically)
A A can solve anything. But you need to take the
A A brain-dead politics out of it.A Other forms of energy will
(hopefully)
A A "reduce" our dependence on fossil fuels.
A A If you wanna know what we (yes HUMANS) are doing to this
planet, come
A A to JPL and I will give you a tour of the
A A Earth Sciences Center.A Pure unaltered science data from
the
last 75
A A years before your very eyes. Projected on a
A A 20ft globe of the earth. If you don't get it by then,
well....
A A OBTW -A Don't like regulations? Plan a trip to any Chinese
industrial
A A area. I still remember LA Brown-outs. Orange
A A A A A A A A A A pollution so thick they sent kids
home
from school. You
A A couldn't even see the mountains.A A A Lovely.
A A A A A A A A A A My friend (Thomas) works for Fitbit.
All are built in
A A China. He wears a mask every day while on-site.
A A OBTW OBTW - Why no Mass Transit in LA? Read the LA History
Books. In
A A the early 30's (besides the massive corruption)
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A the car and rubber
industry, wanting to
A A sell more cars, formed small companies, bought all the
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A light-rail and
dismantled them. Sold the
A A land. They got their wish. A lot more cars. Now the tax
payers
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A are paying billions
to
bring back trains.
A A Hmmm?A What vision!
A A Take the politics out of it... and do the right thing!
A A </off-soap-box ;->
A A Terry
A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a
plan,
A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
A A Terry W. Himes
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A A Dawn Spacecraft Team
A A Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
A A Phone: (818) 393-6261
A A Cell:A A (818) 653-8213
A A [1][7][9][11]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A d--od-,
A A i>>?On 9/18/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will
Kooiman"
A A <[2][8][10][12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
behalf
of
A A [3][9][11][13]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A A ThatA^1s a cool solution (2 lakes).
A A A A IA^1ve thought about a similar energy storage system
for
an
A A off-grid system.
A A A A IA^1ll never do it, but IA^1ve often wondered if it
were
possible.
A A A A I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in
the
US to
A A provide
A A A A power to the US for 300 years.A I donA^1t know if
thatA^1s actually
A A true, but
A A A A itA^1s an interesting idea.
A A A A If the US would stop with all of the politics and
nonsense, we
A A could
A A A A create an energy infrastructure that makes sense.A
Use
all
A A available
A A A A energy sources.
A A A A On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob
Dumoulin"
A A A A
<[4][10][12][14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
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A A [5][11][13][15]rob at dumoulins.net>
A A A A wrote:
A A A A >A I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical
company.AA They
A A had two
A A A A >A lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and
one
low). In
A A A A >A high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow
through the dam
A A to
A A A A >A generate power during peak then pump it back into
the
higher
A A reservoir
A A A A >A at night when it was off peak.AA A
A A A A >A Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy
perpetual
motion
A A machine to
A A A A >A even out capacity vs. demand.AA True statement
that
the first
A A person or
A A A A >A individual that comes up with a viable no-loss
electrical
A A storage
A A A A >A system will be rich.
A A A A >A Rob DuMoulin
A A A A >A 904.476.8744
A A A A >A On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR
<[1][6][12][14][16]pantera at vtc.net>
A A wrote:
A A A A >
A A A A >A A Electric rates going up is an understatement! I
also worked my
A A A A >A A entire life in the electric generating industry
and I can
A A honestly
A A A A >A A say that all of these new regulations end up
costing the rate
A A payers
A A A A >A A a lot of money. California currently gets a lot
of
electricity
A A from
A A A A >A A Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is
generated by
A A coal.
A A A A >A A There is also a bill coming up in November for
Arizona to be
A A using
A A A A >A A 100 percent renewable electricity by a certain
year.
A A A A >A A People fail to understand that when the sun
doesn't shine and
A A the
A A A A >A A wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable
energy sources
A A stop
A A A A >A A producing power. Until someone comes up with a
battery storage
A A A A >A A system that can supply power to the grid after
dark, having
A A 100
A A A A >A A percent renewable electric power is only a
dream.
Of course if
A A A A >A A people are willing to put up with blackouts,
then
this might
A A work.
A A A A >A A Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity
is
going to be
A A here.
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