[DeTomaso] NPC hydo balancing

[The DeTomaso Registry Guy]

There is an off-peak reservoir north of LA.  They pump uphill into a cavern (underground lake).
It was built in the 1920s or 1930 I believe.

Chuck



That¹s a cool solution (2 lakes).

I¹ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an off-grid system.
 I¹ll never do it, but I¹ve often wondered if it were possible.

I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in the US to provide
power to the US for 300 years.  I don¹t know if that¹s actually true, but
it¹s an interesting idea.

If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we could
create an energy infrastructure that makes sense.  Use all available
energy sources.


On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of rob at dumoulins.net>
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>   I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.A  They had two
>   lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
>   high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam to
>   generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher reservoir
>   at night when it was off peak.A  A
>   Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion machine to
>   even out capacity vs. demand.A  True statement that the first person or
>   individual that comes up with a viable no-loss electrical storage
>   system will be rich.
>   Rob DuMoulin
>   904.476.8744
>   On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR <[1]pantera at vtc.net> wrote:
>
>     Electric rates going up is an understatement! I also worked my
>     entire life in the electric generating industry and I can honestly
>     say that all of these new regulations end up costing the rate payers
>     a lot of money. California currently gets a lot of electricity from
>     Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is generated by coal.
>     There is also a bill coming up in November for Arizona to be using
>     100 percent renewable electricity by a certain year.
>     People fail to understand that when the sun doesn't shine and the
>     wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable energy sources stop
>     producing power. Until someone comes up with a battery storage
>     system that can supply power to the grid after dark, having 100
>     percent renewable electric power is only a dream. Of course if
>     people are willing to put up with blackouts, then this might work.
>     Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity is going to be here.
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