[DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Ken Green
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Tue Sep 18 16:59:20 EDT 2018
I kinda recall that Who Framed Roger Rabbit was loosely based on GM buying and closing the LA light rail/street cars?
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>; JFFR <pantera at vtc.net>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Agreed! Politics and Nonsense!! That's all it is. We (technically) can solve anything. But you need to take the
brain-dead politics out of it. Other forms of energy will (hopefully) "reduce" our dependence on fossil fuels.
If you wanna know what we (yes HUMANS) are doing to this planet, come to JPL and I will give you a tour of the
Earth Sciences Center. Pure unaltered science data from the last 75 years before your very eyes. Projected on a
20ft globe of the earth. If you don't get it by then, well....
OBTW - Don't like regulations? Plan a trip to any Chinese industrial area. I still remember LA Brown-outs. Orange
pollution so thick they sent kids home from school. You couldn't even see the mountains. Lovely.
My friend (Thomas) works for Fitbit. All are built in China. He wears a mask every day while on-site.
OBTW OBTW - Why no Mass Transit in LA? Read the LA History Books. In the early 30's (besides the massive corruption)
the car and rubber industry, wanting to sell more cars, formed small companies, bought all the
light-rail and dismantled them. Sold the land. They got their wish. A lot more cars. Now the tax payers
are paying billions to bring back trains. Hmmm? What vision!
Take the politics out of it... and do the right thing!
</off-soap-box ;->
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
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On 9/18/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
That¹s a cool solution (2 lakes).
I¹ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an off-grid system.
I¹ll never do it, but I¹ve often wondered if it were possible.
I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in the US to provide
power to the US for 300 years. I don¹t know if that¹s actually true, but
it¹s an interesting idea.
If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we could
create an energy infrastructure that makes sense. Use all available
energy sources.
On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
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wrote:
> I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.A They had two
> lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
> high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam to
> generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher reservoir
> at night when it was off peak.A A
> Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion machine to
> even out capacity vs. demand.A True statement that the first person or
> individual that comes up with a viable no-loss electrical storage
> system will be rich.
> Rob DuMoulin
> 904.476.8744
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR <[1]pantera at vtc.net> wrote:
>
> Electric rates going up is an understatement! I also worked my
> entire life in the electric generating industry and I can honestly
> say that all of these new regulations end up costing the rate payers
> a lot of money. California currently gets a lot of electricity from
> Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is generated by coal.
> There is also a bill coming up in November for Arizona to be using
> 100 percent renewable electricity by a certain year.
> People fail to understand that when the sun doesn't shine and the
> wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable energy sources stop
> producing power. Until someone comes up with a battery storage
> system that can supply power to the grid after dark, having 100
> percent renewable electric power is only a dream. Of course if
> people are willing to put up with blackouts, then this might work.
> Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity is going to be here.
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I kinda recall that Who Framed Roger Rabbit was loosely based on GM
buying and closing the LA light rail/street cars?
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From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin
<rob at dumoulins.net>; JFFR <pantera at vtc.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California banning
fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Agreed! Politics and Nonsense!! That's all it is. We (technically)
can solve anything. But you need to take the
brain-dead politics out of it. Other forms of energy will (hopefully)
"reduce" our dependence on fossil fuels.
If you wanna know what we (yes HUMANS) are doing to this planet, come
to JPL and I will give you a tour of the
Earth Sciences Center. Pure unaltered science data from the last 75
years before your very eyes. Projected on a
20ft globe of the earth. If you don't get it by then, well....
OBTW - Don't like regulations? Plan a trip to any Chinese industrial
area. I still remember LA Brown-outs. Orange
pollution so thick they sent kids home from school. You
couldn't even see the mountains. Lovely.
My friend (Thomas) works for Fitbit. All are built in
China. He wears a mask every day while on-site.
OBTW OBTW - Why no Mass Transit in LA? Read the LA History Books. In
the early 30's (besides the massive corruption)
the car and rubber industry, wanting to
sell more cars, formed small companies, bought all the
light-rail and dismantled them. Sold the
land. They got their wish. A lot more cars. Now the tax payers
are paying billions to bring back trains.
Hmmm? What vision!
Take the politics out of it... and do the right thing!
</off-soap-box ;->
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
d--od-,
i>>?On 9/18/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
ThatA^1s a cool solution (2 lakes).
IA^1ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an
off-grid system.
IA^1ll never do it, but IA^1ve often wondered if it were possible.
I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in the US to
provide
power to the US for 300 years. I donA^1t know if thatA^1s actually
true, but
itA^1s an interesting idea.
If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we
could
create an energy infrastructure that makes sense. Use all
available
energy sources.
On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
<[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[5]rob at dumoulins.net>
wrote:
> I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.A They
had two
> lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
> high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam
to
> generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher
reservoir
> at night when it was off peak.A A
> Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion
machine to
> even out capacity vs. demand.A True statement that the first
person or
> individual that comes up with a viable no-loss electrical
storage
> system will be rich.
> Rob DuMoulin
> 904.476.8744
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR <[1][6]pantera at vtc.net>
wrote:
>
> Electric rates going up is an understatement! I also worked my
> entire life in the electric generating industry and I can
honestly
> say that all of these new regulations end up costing the rate
payers
> a lot of money. California currently gets a lot of electricity
from
> Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is generated by
coal.
> There is also a bill coming up in November for Arizona to be
using
> 100 percent renewable electricity by a certain year.
> People fail to understand that when the sun doesn't shine and
the
> wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable energy sources
stop
> producing power. Until someone comes up with a battery storage
> system that can supply power to the grid after dark, having
100
> percent renewable electric power is only a dream. Of course if
> people are willing to put up with blackouts, then this might
work.
> Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity is going to be
here.
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