[DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 18 16:59:20 EDT 2018


I kinda recall that Who Framed Roger Rabbit was loosely based on GM buying and closing the LA light rail/street cars?

      From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
 To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>; JFFR <pantera at vtc.net> 
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Agreed!  Politics and Nonsense!!  That's all it is.  We (technically) can solve anything. But you need to take the 
brain-dead politics out of it.  Other forms of energy will (hopefully) "reduce" our dependence on fossil fuels. 

If you wanna know what we (yes HUMANS) are doing to this planet, come to JPL and I will give you a tour of the 
Earth Sciences Center.  Pure unaltered science data from the last 75 years before your very eyes. Projected on a 
20ft globe of the earth. If you don't get it by then, well....  

OBTW -  Don't like regulations? Plan a trip to any Chinese industrial area. I still remember LA Brown-outs. Orange 
                pollution so thick they sent kids home from school. You couldn't even see the mountains.      Lovely.
                My friend (Thomas) works for Fitbit. All are built in China. He wears a mask every day while on-site. 

OBTW OBTW - Why no Mass Transit in LA? Read the LA History Books. In the early 30's (besides the massive corruption) 
                            the car and rubber industry, wanting to sell more cars, formed small companies, bought all the 
                            light-rail and dismantled them. Sold the land. They got their wish. A lot more cars. Now the tax payers
                          are paying billions to bring back trains. Hmmm?  What vision!

Take the politics out of it... and do the right thing!

</off-soap-box ;->

Terry



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On 9/18/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:

    That¹s a cool solution (2 lakes).
    
    I¹ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an off-grid system.
    I¹ll never do it, but I¹ve often wondered if it were possible.
    
    I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in the US to provide
    power to the US for 300 years.  I don¹t know if that¹s actually true, but
    it¹s an interesting idea.
    
    If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we could
    create an energy infrastructure that makes sense.  Use all available
    energy sources.
    
    
    On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
    <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of rob at dumoulins.net>
    wrote:
    
    >  I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.A  They had two
    >  lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
    >  high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam to
    >  generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher reservoir
    >  at night when it was off peak.A  A
    >  Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion machine to
    >  even out capacity vs. demand.A  True statement that the first person or
    >  individual that comes up with a viable no-loss electrical storage
    >  system will be rich.
    >  Rob DuMoulin
    >  904.476.8744
    >  On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR <[1]pantera at vtc.net> wrote:
    >
    >    Electric rates going up is an understatement! I also worked my
    >    entire life in the electric generating industry and I can honestly
    >    say that all of these new regulations end up costing the rate payers
    >    a lot of money. California currently gets a lot of electricity from
    >    Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is generated by coal.
    >    There is also a bill coming up in November for Arizona to be using
    >    100 percent renewable electricity by a certain year.
    >    People fail to understand that when the sun doesn't shine and the
    >    wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable energy sources stop
    >    producing power. Until someone comes up with a battery storage
    >    system that can supply power to the grid after dark, having 100
    >    percent renewable electric power is only a dream. Of course if
    >    people are willing to put up with blackouts, then this might work.
    >    Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity is going to be here.
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   I kinda recall that Who Framed Roger Rabbit was loosely based on GM
   buying and closing the LA light rail/street cars?
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   From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin
   <rob at dumoulins.net>; JFFR <pantera at vtc.net>
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   Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:31 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California banning
   fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
   Agreed!  Politics and Nonsense!!  That's all it is.  We (technically)
   can solve anything. But you need to take the
   brain-dead politics out of it.  Other forms of energy will (hopefully)
   "reduce" our dependence on fossil fuels.
   If you wanna know what we (yes HUMANS) are doing to this planet, come
   to JPL and I will give you a tour of the
   Earth Sciences Center.  Pure unaltered science data from the last 75
   years before your very eyes. Projected on a
   20ft globe of the earth. If you don't get it by then, well....
   OBTW -  Don't like regulations? Plan a trip to any Chinese industrial
   area. I still remember LA Brown-outs. Orange
                   pollution so thick they sent kids home from school. You
   couldn't even see the mountains.      Lovely.
                   My friend (Thomas) works for Fitbit. All are built in
   China. He wears a mask every day while on-site.
   OBTW OBTW - Why no Mass Transit in LA? Read the LA History Books. In
   the early 30's (besides the massive corruption)
                               the car and rubber industry, wanting to
   sell more cars, formed small companies, bought all the
                               light-rail and dismantled them. Sold the
   land. They got their wish. A lot more cars. Now the tax payers
                             are paying billions to bring back trains.
   Hmmm?  What vision!
   Take the politics out of it... and do the right thing!
   </off-soap-box ;->
   Terry
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:    (818) 653-8213
   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   d--od-,
   i>>?On 9/18/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
   <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [3]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
       ThatA^1s a cool solution (2 lakes).

       IA^1ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an
   off-grid system.
       IA^1ll never do it, but IA^1ve often wondered if it were possible.

       I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in the US to
   provide
       power to the US for 300 years.  I donA^1t know if thatA^1s actually
   true, but
       itA^1s an interesting idea.

       If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we
   could
       create an energy infrastructure that makes sense.  Use all
   available
       energy sources.


       On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
       <[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [5]rob at dumoulins.net>
       wrote:

       >  I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.A  They
   had two
       >  lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
       >  high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam
   to
       >  generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher
   reservoir
       >  at night when it was off peak.A  A
       >  Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion
   machine to
       >  even out capacity vs. demand.A  True statement that the first
   person or
       >  individual that comes up with a viable no-loss electrical
   storage
       >  system will be rich.
       >  Rob DuMoulin
       >  904.476.8744
       >  On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR <[1][6]pantera at vtc.net>
   wrote:
       >
       >    Electric rates going up is an understatement! I also worked my
       >    entire life in the electric generating industry and I can
   honestly
       >    say that all of these new regulations end up costing the rate
   payers
       >    a lot of money. California currently gets a lot of electricity
   from
       >    Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is generated by
   coal.
       >    There is also a bill coming up in November for Arizona to be
   using
       >    100 percent renewable electricity by a certain year.
       >    People fail to understand that when the sun doesn't shine and
   the
       >    wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable energy sources
   stop
       >    producing power. Until someone comes up with a battery storage
       >    system that can supply power to the grid after dark, having
   100
       >    percent renewable electric power is only a dream. Of course if
       >    people are willing to put up with blackouts, then this might
   work.
       >    Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity is going to be
   here.
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