[DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Konrad Szwab
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Tue Sep 18 16:34:27 EDT 2018
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http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/09/18/china-has-chilling-system-to-control-everyone.html
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:31 PM Himes, Terry (397C) <
Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Agreed! Politics and Nonsense!! That's all it is. We (technically) can
> solve anything. But you need to take the
> brain-dead politics out of it. Other forms of energy will (hopefully)
> "reduce" our dependence on fossil fuels.
>
> If you wanna know what we (yes HUMANS) are doing to this planet, come to
> JPL and I will give you a tour of the
> Earth Sciences Center. Pure unaltered science data from the last 75 years
> before your very eyes. Projected on a
> 20ft globe of the earth. If you don't get it by then, well....
>
> OBTW - Don't like regulations? Plan a trip to any Chinese industrial
> area. I still remember LA Brown-outs. Orange
> pollution so thick they sent kids home from school. You
> couldn't even see the mountains. Lovely.
> My friend (Thomas) works for Fitbit. All are built in
> China. He wears a mask every day while on-site.
>
> OBTW OBTW - Why no Mass Transit in LA? Read the LA History Books. In the
> early 30's (besides the massive corruption)
> the car and rubber industry, wanting to sell
> more cars, formed small companies, bought all the
> light-rail and dismantled them. Sold the land.
> They got their wish. A lot more cars. Now the tax payers
> are paying billions to bring back trains.
> Hmmm? What vision!
>
> Take the politics out of it... and do the right thing!
>
> </off-soap-box ;->
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 🇺🇸
>
>
> On 9/18/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That¹s a cool solution (2 lakes).
>
> I¹ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an off-grid
> system.
> I¹ll never do it, but I¹ve often wondered if it were possible.
>
> I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in the US to provide
> power to the US for 300 years. I don¹t know if that¹s actually true,
> but
> it¹s an interesting idea.
>
> If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we could
> create an energy infrastructure that makes sense. Use all available
> energy sources.
>
>
> On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> rob at dumoulins.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.A They
> had two
> > lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
> > high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam to
> > generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher
> reservoir
> > at night when it was off peak.A A
> > Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion
> machine to
> > even out capacity vs. demand.A True statement that the first
> person or
> > individual that comes up with a viable no-loss electrical storage
> > system will be rich.
> > Rob DuMoulin
> > 904.476.8744
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR <[1]pantera at vtc.net> wrote:
> >
> > Electric rates going up is an understatement! I also worked my
> > entire life in the electric generating industry and I can
> honestly
> > say that all of these new regulations end up costing the rate
> payers
> > a lot of money. California currently gets a lot of electricity
> from
> > Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is generated by coal.
> > There is also a bill coming up in November for Arizona to be
> using
> > 100 percent renewable electricity by a certain year.
> > People fail to understand that when the sun doesn't shine and the
> > wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable energy sources
> stop
> > producing power. Until someone comes up with a battery storage
> > system that can supply power to the grid after dark, having 100
> > percent renewable electric power is only a dream. Of course if
> > people are willing to put up with blackouts, then this might
> work.
> > Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity is going to be
> here.
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Soon owning a gasoline powered politically incorrect guzzler (even dead
like mine and in pieces) will put you on the shit list. I hate these
people.
[1]http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/09/18/china-has-chilling-system-to-
control-everyone.html
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:31 PM Himes, Terry (397C)
<[2]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
Agreed!A A Politics and Nonsense!!A That's all it is.A We
(technically) can solve anything. But you need to take the
brain-dead politics out of it.A Other forms of energy will
(hopefully) "reduce" our dependence on fossil fuels.
If you wanna know what we (yes HUMANS) are doing to this planet,
come to JPL and I will give you a tour of the
Earth Sciences Center.A Pure unaltered science data from the last
75 years before your very eyes. Projected on a
20ft globe of the earth. If you don't get it by then, well....A
OBTW -A Don't like regulations? Plan a trip to any Chinese
industrial area. I still remember LA Brown-outs. Orange
A A A A A A A A pollution so thick they sent kids home from
school. You couldn't even see the mountains.A A A A Lovely.
A A A A A A A A My friend (Thomas) works for Fitbit. All are
built in China. He wears a mask every day while on-site.
OBTW OBTW - Why no Mass Transit in LA? Read the LA History Books. In
the early 30's (besides the massive corruption)
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A the car and rubber
industry, wanting to sell more cars, formed small companies, bought
all the
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A light-rail and dismantled
them. Sold the land. They got their wish. A lot more cars. Now the
tax payers
A A A A A A A A A A A A A A are paying billions to
bring back trains. Hmmm?A What vision!
Take the politics out of it... and do the right thing!
</off-soap-box ;->
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213
[3]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
d--od-,
i>>?On 9/18/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[5]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
A A ThatA^1s a cool solution (2 lakes).
A A IA^1ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an
off-grid system.
A A A IA^1ll never do it, but IA^1ve often wondered if it were
possible.
A A I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in the US to
provide
A A power to the US for 300 years.A I donA^1t know if thatA^1s
actually true, but
A A itA^1s an interesting idea.
A A If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we
could
A A create an energy infrastructure that makes sense.A Use all
available
A A energy sources.
A A On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
A A <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[7]rob at dumoulins.net>
A A wrote:
A A >A A I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical
company.AA They had two
A A >A A lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one
low). In
A A >A A high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through
the dam to
A A >A A generate power during peak then pump it back into the
higher reservoir
A A >A A at night when it was off peak.AA A
A A >A A Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual
motion machine to
A A >A A even out capacity vs. demand.AA True statement that the
first person or
A A >A A individual that comes up with a viable no-loss
electrical storage
A A >A A system will be rich.
A A >A A Rob DuMoulin
A A >A A 904.476.8744
A A >A A On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR
<[1][8]pantera at vtc.net> wrote:
A A >
A A >A A A Electric rates going up is an understatement! I also
worked my
A A >A A A entire life in the electric generating industry and I
can honestly
A A >A A A say that all of these new regulations end up costing
the rate payers
A A >A A A a lot of money. California currently gets a lot of
electricity from
A A >A A A Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is
generated by coal.
A A >A A A There is also a bill coming up in November for
Arizona to be using
A A >A A A 100 percent renewable electricity by a certain year.
A A >A A A People fail to understand that when the sun doesn't
shine and the
A A >A A A wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable energy
sources stop
A A >A A A producing power. Until someone comes up with a
battery storage
A A >A A A system that can supply power to the grid after dark,
having 100
A A >A A A percent renewable electric power is only a dream. Of
course if
A A >A A A people are willing to put up with blackouts, then
this might work.
A A >A A A Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity is
going to be here.
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