[DeTomaso] NPC NPC NPC Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?

Tue Sep 18 16:31:53 EDT 2018

Agreed!   Politics and Nonsense!!  That's all it is.  We (technically) can solve anything. But you need to take the 
brain-dead politics out of it.  Other forms of energy will (hopefully) "reduce" our dependence on fossil fuels. 

If you wanna know what we (yes HUMANS) are doing to this planet, come to JPL and I will give you a tour of the 
Earth Sciences Center.  Pure unaltered science data from the last 75 years before your very eyes. Projected on a 
20ft globe of the earth. If you don't get it by then, well....  

OBTW -  Don't like regulations? Plan a trip to any Chinese industrial area. I still remember LA Brown-outs. Orange 
                pollution so thick they sent kids home from school. You couldn't even see the mountains.       Lovely.
                My friend (Thomas) works for Fitbit. All are built in China. He wears a mask every day while on-site. 

OBTW OBTW - Why no Mass Transit in LA? Read the LA History Books. In the early 30's (besides the massive corruption) 
                            the car and rubber industry, wanting to sell more cars, formed small companies, bought all the 
                            light-rail and dismantled them. Sold the land. They got their wish. A lot more cars. Now the tax payers
                           are paying billions to bring back trains. Hmmm?  What vision!

Take the politics out of it... and do the right thing!

</off-soap-box ;->

Terry

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
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On 9/18/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:

    That¹s a cool solution (2 lakes).

    I¹ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an off-grid system.
     I¹ll never do it, but I¹ve often wondered if it were possible.

    I heard years ago that we had enough natural gas in the US to provide
    power to the US for 300 years.  I don¹t know if that¹s actually true, but
    it¹s an interesting idea.

    If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we could
    create an energy infrastructure that makes sense.  Use all available
    energy sources.

    On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
    <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of rob at dumoulins.net>
    wrote:

    >   I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.A  They had two
    >   lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
    >   high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam to
    >   generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher reservoir
    >   at night when it was off peak.A  A
    >   Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion machine to
    >   even out capacity vs. demand.A  True statement that the first person or
    >   individual that comes up with a viable no-loss electrical storage
    >   system will be rich.
    >   Rob DuMoulin
    >   904.476.8744
    >   On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM, JFFR <[1]pantera at vtc.net> wrote:
    >
    >     Electric rates going up is an understatement! I also worked my
    >     entire life in the electric generating industry and I can honestly
    >     say that all of these new regulations end up costing the rate payers
    >     a lot of money. California currently gets a lot of electricity from
    >     Nevada, Arizona and Utah and much of which is generated by coal.
    >     There is also a bill coming up in November for Arizona to be using
    >     100 percent renewable electricity by a certain year.
    >     People fail to understand that when the sun doesn't shine and the
    >     wind doesn't blow, all of these nice renewable energy sources stop
    >     producing power. Until someone comes up with a battery storage
    >     system that can supply power to the grid after dark, having 100
    >     percent renewable electric power is only a dream. Of course if
    >     people are willing to put up with blackouts, then this might work.
    >     Until then, fossil fuel generated electricity is going to be here.
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