[DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v Stock

Sat Sep 15 11:51:36 EDT 2018

Mike,

There are some truly awful windshield gaskets on the market. Larry Stock is the only US vendor I am aware of who still has some proper factory gaskets.  Roland sells them too.  I would definitely urge you to use one of them if you need to replace yours. 

When your glass comes out you will likely find rust in the channel that will need to be replaced. This rust can be caused by improper installation of a gasket using conventional RTV instead of proper 3M windshield adhesive. Jack has said RTV is acidic and attacks sheet metal. Sheet metal fabrication will be necessary to fix it. 

Once your channel is restored, it won’t fit the contours of the glass/rubber perfectly, because De Tomaso. So your installer will need to really load up the channel with sealant to keep the cabin dry. 

Mike

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> On Sep 15, 2018, at 08:41, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>   Possibly.  I plan to retain the stainless trim around the windows, so
>   likely retaining the stainless trim around the `shield would maintain
>   the correct look.  All open for debate at this point and that is
>   certainly what I seem to have inspired.
> 
> 
>   As I mentioned in a reply to Mike Drew, I respect the opinion of the
>   collective, that's why I put it out there.  I like to consider all
>   perspectives.  I starts to become that `caretaker' v/v `owner'
>   question.  When you have a classic car that you are working to maintain
>   and remind the world where we've been, you have to think about how what
>   you are doing to that car is carried forward to the next generation who
>   will be taking the torch.  That's why it does pain me on frequent
>   occasion when I see some of the `styling attempts' done on our cars.
> 
> 
>   My interest in the possibility of a flush windshield was as much for
>   practicality as aesthetics.  My current `shield is badly chipped and
>   leaks like a sieve in the rain, so I know I want to replace it.  So far
>   as I can tell the seal is in good shape, still supple all `round on the
>   outside.  I know the `shield is not original, so it could be that a
>   slightly undersized unit was installed, as I've heard has been the case
>   with some aftermarket replacements.
> 
> 
>   All the input is appreciated and will be weighed in the balance when I
>   go forward.
> 
> 
>   Thanks
> 
>   Mike Thomas
> 
>   Pres., Panteras Northwest
> 
>   206-795-3302
> 
>   Yellow '74 #6328
> 
>   [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>   Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:11 PM
>   To: Matt <nwpantera at gmail.com>; Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
>   <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v
>   Stock
> 
> 
>   And for comparison a blue car with glue in windshield. With a full
>   restoration I imagine you can get a better finish on the glue than a
>   straight removal and retrofit as this car had. Maybe it's the contrast
>   of the glue seam against the stainless trim that doesn't work and it
>   would be better with blacked out trim?
> 
> 
>   Julian
> 
> 
>   [cid:image001.jpg at 01D44CCF.1A4333A0]
>    _____________________________________________________________________
> 
>   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>   of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>   Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 8:03 PM
>   To: Matt; Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
>   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v
>   Stock
> 
> 
>   I thought the photo was small enough in size, but looks like this
>   didn't get through to the list first time;
>   Speaking of flush/glue in windshields, I took a photo of Roland
>   Jaeckel's Group 4 car at Le Mans Classic, specifically as I liked the
>   way the his windshield rubber looked. It is a one piece design that
>   eliminates the stainless trim and retains slightly more classic look
>   than the full glue in option. This is the route I would go.
>   Julian
>   <[4]http://aka.ms/weboutlook>[cid:b6863548-9ebe-4ced-9084-bb6b35f8f9d5]
>   ________________________________
>   From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>   of Matt <[6]nwpantera at gmail.com>
>   Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:39 PM
>   To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
>   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Restoration Files - Flush Windshield v/v
>   Stock
>   I'm not you Mike and I don't know what you have planned. BUT you asked
>   so
>   here's my opine.
>   My thinking is the end result will appear bone stock from the outside,
>   except for wheel/tire updates.
>   The real updates would not be obvious from the outside.
>    All other systems in the car could be updated to your liking but I'd
>   still
>   retain the original look, including the raised shiny windshield frame.
>   I would repaint in the original color, what ever that may be. If the
>   front
>   bonnet has had cooling vents added, I would make it smooth again.Wing?
>   Gone.
>   Original motor? Preferred but not a deal breaker.
>   The funny thing is the Pantera seems to make you think it needs to be
>   "improved" more than most cars.
>   That's fine if the improvements address
>   power,handling,reliability,safety
>   and comfort but any changes to appearance are not necessary in my book.
>   With a stock appearance the car will be worth more if that's important
>   to
>   you.
>   I simply like the way it was originally designed and don't see a need
>   to
>   modify the body other than a front spoiler if you want to go fast.
>   It all depends on how you plan to use it Mike. It is your car and life
>   is
>   short so the bottom line is you can do anything you bloody well want!
>   Have fun,
>   Matt
>   On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <
>   [7]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
>>   Starting that long, slippery list of things I want to have done or
>>   consider doing when I have 6328 restored in about 18 months (hey,
>   I'm a
>>   project manager so I plan things . . . ).
>> 
>> 
>>   Since the body will be down to bare, and I need to replace my
>>   windshield anyway, I'm debating going to a flush unit.  Denny Finn
>   will
>>   be doing the resto.
>> 
>> 
>>   All thoughts and comments welcome!
>> 
>> 
>>   Bye the bye, had a great PNW Fall Cruise to the Beach Baron's Rod
>   Run
>>   to the End of the World.  13 Panteras, a 67 396 El Camino, a 70
>   Mach 1
>>   and a 78 Austin Mini Cooper (RHD).  Over 800 cars at the cruise.
>>   Outlining the Profiles article this week.  We had two cars from
>>   Calgary, Alberta (nearly 1,100 miles and, no surprise to many,
>   Bill
>>   Moore and Susanne won the Iron Butt(s) Award.  We also had Julian
>   and
>>   Ann Kift join us from Reno in their GT5.  A great time was had by
>   all.
>>   Stay tuned for the rest . . .
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   . . . of the story.
>> 
>> 
>>   Thanks
>> 
>>   Mike Thomas
>> 
>>   Pres., Panteras Northwest - A quaint little drinknig club with a
>   car
>>   problem
>> 
>>   206-795-3302
>> 
>>   Yellow '74 #6328
>> 
>>   [1][8]www.panterasnorthwest.com
>> 
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>> 
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