[DeTomaso] Oil cooler question
Jeff Kimball
jgkrenton at comcast.net
Tue Sep 11 20:17:59 EDT 2018
LOL... Ya.. I was driving the twin turbo Pantera.
It was good to meet you in person!
JEFF Kimball.
> On September 11, 2018 at 2:27 PM Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oops, scratch that, sorry wrong Kimball!
>
>
> Julian
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:25 PM
> To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Jeff Kimball
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil cooler question
>
> Um, you were driving an original Mini as I recall!
>
>
> Julian
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jeff Kimball <jgkrenton at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:53 AM
> To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil cooler question
>
> Asa:
>
> No real hurry. Just returned from the NW Pantera cruise and the car is running great, but if I work the turbos much the existing Ford Interceptor cooler just can't keep up, as expected. Upgrading the cooler is probably a worthwhile winter project.
>
> Thanks again!
>
>
> Jeff / 2467
>
>
> > On September 11, 2018 at 8:11 AM Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Jeff,
> > If you can wait a couple of days, I can probably tell you. I'm flying
> > out tomorrow to meet with Dawg and get ready for SSCC.
> >
> > I don't see why using the heater ports wouldn't work. For a racing
> > application having no heater core in the cabin, it's like having two
> > dedicated ports already available just for this purpose. If you want to
> > still use the heater core, then you'd plumb the cooler either before or
> > after the core. If before, it will take longer for your heater to warm
> > up; if after, it will cool the oil more.
> >
> > That's my perspective.
> > Asa Jay
> >
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
> > ******************************
> > http://w7tsc.org http://w7tsc.org
> > http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> > On 9/11/2018 07:48, Jeff Kimball wrote:
> >
> > > > All:
> > >
> > > I know the oil cooler question has been discussed at great length and
> > > the serious racers such as Mad Dog seem to believe the big Fluidyne
> > > unit is the preferred solution, which I believe is this unit:
> > >
> > > [1]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
> > >
> > > However, I don't recall nor have I been able to find any information on
> > > how the water side was plumbed in a Pantera. This Fluidyne unit has
> > > 3/4 inch pipe water connections where the smaller Ford Police
> > > interceptor units such as this:
> > >
> > > [2]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
> > > -Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict
> > > oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
> > > rF
> > >
> > > use a standard radiator hose size water connection and go directly in
> > > series with the main radiator lines.
> > >
> > > How do people plumb in the Fluidyne unit? The 3/4 inch connections are
> > > way too small to be installed in series with the radiator. Are the
> > > heater water lines adequate?
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me how this was done or show me a photo or web link for
> > > this information?
> > >
> > > Thanks all!
> > >
> > > Jeff 2467
> > >
> > > References
> > > 1. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler 2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF
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> > > > Hi Jeff,
> > If you can wait a couple of days, I can probably tell you. I'm flying
> > out tomorrow to meet with Dawg and get ready for SSCC.
> > I don't see why using the heater ports wouldn't work. For a racing
> > application having no heater core in the cabin, it's like having two
> > dedicated ports already available just for this purpose. If you want
> > to still use the heater core, then you'd plumb the cooler either before
> > or after the core. If before, it will take longer for your heater to
> > warm up; if after, it will cool the oil more.
> > That's my perspective.
> > Asa Jay
> > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> > Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
> > ******************************
> > [1]http://w7tsc.org
> > [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >
> > On 9/11/2018 07:48, Jeff Kimball wrote:
> >
> > All:
> >
> > I know the oil cooler question has been discussed at great length and
> > the serious racers such as Mad Dog seem to believe the big Fluidyne
> > unit is the preferred solution, which I believe is this unit:
> >
> > [1][3]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
> >
> > However, I don't recall nor have I been able to find any information on
> > how the water side was plumbed in a Pantera. This Fluidyne unit has
> > 3/4 inch pipe water connections where the smaller Ford Police
> > interceptor units such as this:
> >
> > [2][4]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
> > -Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict
> > oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
> > rF
> >
> > use a standard radiator hose size water connection and go directly in
> > series with the main radiator lines.
> >
> > How do people plumb in the Fluidyne unit? The 3/4 inch connections are
> > way too small to be installed in series with the radiator. Are the
> > heater water lines adequate?
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how this was done or show me a photo or web link for
> > this information?
> >
> > Thanks all!
> >
> > Jeff 2467
> >
> > References
> > 1. [5]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler 2. [6]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Gr
> > and-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%
> > 3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF
> >
> >
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> > 1. http://w7tsc.org/ http://w7tsc.org/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler 4. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria 5. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler 6. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist .com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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LOL... Ya.. I was driving the twin turbo Pantera.
It was good to meet you in person!
JEFF Kimball.
On September 11, 2018 at 2:27 PM Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Oops, scratch that, sorry wrong Kimball!
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:25 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Jeff Kimball
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil cooler question
Um, you were driving an original Mini as I recall!
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Jeff Kimball <jgkrenton at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 9:53 AM
To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil cooler question
Asa:
No real hurry. Just returned from the NW Pantera cruise and the car is
running great, but if I work the turbos much the existing Ford
Interceptor cooler just can't keep up, as expected. Upgrading the
cooler is probably a worthwhile winter project.
Thanks again!
Jeff / 2467
> On September 11, 2018 at 8:11 AM Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jeff,
> If you can wait a couple of days, I can probably tell you. I'm
flying
> out tomorrow to meet with Dawg and get ready for SSCC.
>
> I don't see why using the heater ports wouldn't work. For a
racing
> application having no heater core in the cabin, it's like having
two
> dedicated ports already available just for this purpose. If you
want to
> still use the heater core, then you'd plumb the cooler either
before or
> after the core. If before, it will take longer for your heater to
warm
> up; if after, it will cool the oil more.
>
> That's my perspective.
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
> ******************************
> [1]http://w7tsc.org
> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> On 9/11/2018 07:48, Jeff Kimball wrote:
>
> > > All:
> >
> > I know the oil cooler question has been discussed at great
length and
> > the serious racers such as Mad Dog seem to believe the big
Fluidyne
> > unit is the preferred solution, which I believe is this
unit:
> >
> >
[1]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
> >
> > However, I don't recall nor have I been able to find any
information on
> > how the water side was plumbed in a Pantera. This Fluidyne
unit has
> > 3/4 inch pipe water connections where the smaller Ford
Police
> > interceptor units such as this:
> >
> >
[2]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
> >
-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict
> >
oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
> > rF
> >
> > use a standard radiator hose size water connection and go
directly in
> > series with the main radiator lines.
> >
> > How do people plumb in the Fluidyne unit? The 3/4 inch
connections are
> > way too small to be installed in series with the radiator.
Are the
> > heater water lines adequate?
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how this was done or show me a photo or
web link for
> > this information?
> >
> > Thanks all!
> >
> > Jeff 2467
> >
> > References
> > 1.
[3]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
2.
[4]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict
oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
rF
[5]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict
oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
rF
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> > > Hi Jeff,
> If you can wait a couple of days, I can probably tell you. I'm
flying
> out tomorrow to meet with Dawg and get ready for SSCC.
> I don't see why using the heater ports wouldn't work. For a
racing
> application having no heater core in the cabin, it's like having
two
> dedicated ports already available just for this purpose. If you
want
> to still use the heater core, then you'd plumb the cooler either
before
> or after the core. If before, it will take longer for your heater
to
> warm up; if after, it will cool the oil more.
> That's my perspective.
> Asa Jay
> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
> ******************************
> [1]http://w7tsc.org
> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
> On 9/11/2018 07:48, Jeff Kimball wrote:
>
> All:
>
> I know the oil cooler question has been discussed at great length
and
> the serious racers such as Mad Dog seem to believe the big
Fluidyne
> unit is the preferred solution, which I believe is this unit:
>
>
[1][3]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-coole
r
>
> However, I don't recall nor have I been able to find any
information on
> how the water side was plumbed in a Pantera. This Fluidyne unit
has
> 3/4 inch pipe water connections where the smaller Ford Police
> interceptor units such as this:
>
>
[2][4]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victo
ria
>
-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vict
>
oria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-Q
> rF
>
> use a standard radiator hose size water connection and go
directly in
> series with the main radiator lines.
>
> How do people plumb in the Fluidyne unit? The 3/4 inch
connections are
> way too small to be installed in series with the radiator. Are
the
> heater water lines adequate?
>
> Can anyone tell me how this was done or show me a photo or web
link for
> this information?
>
> Thanks all!
>
> Jeff 2467
>
> References
> 1.
[5]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
2.
[6]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
-Gr
>
and-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victori
a%7CMake%
> 3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF
>
>
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3.
[11]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
4.
[12]https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victori
a 5.
[13]https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
6.
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a-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vic
toria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-
QrF
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a-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Vic
toria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-
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References
1. http://w7tsc.org/
2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
3. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
4. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF
5. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria-Grand-Marquis-Police-Package-ONLY/182538207253?fits=Model%3ACrown+Victoria%7CMake%3AFord&epid=1930515714&hash=item2a80200015:g:5MQAAOSwkShY-QrF
6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist
7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist
9. http://w7tsc.org/
10. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
11. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
12. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Oil-Cooler-For-94-96-Crown-Victoria
13. https://www.fluidyne.com/product-page/db-30500-water-to-oil-cooler
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