[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 171, Issue 8

cengles at cox.net cengles at cox.net
Mon Sep 10 17:33:56 EDT 2018


Dear Owen, Bud, Mark, Asa and Steve,


            Thanks for responding.  I now have a good list of brake 
bleeding tricks and options.

            I am using speed bleeders.

            OK. Back to the garage.


                     Warmest regards, Chuck Engles




On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:06 AM, Owen Cooke wrote:

> remember there re two bleed screws on front calipers
>
> also make sure you dont let fluid drop too low in resevoir when 
> bleeding
>
> owen
>
>
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>>     2. Re: Techno Question: Pantera Brake Bleeding tips
>>        (Asa Jay Laughton)
>>     3. Re: Techno Question: Pantera Brake Bleeding tips (Mark 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 20:37:50 -0500
>> From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
>> To: "'Detomaso'" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Pantera Brake Bleeding tips
>> Message-ID: <005e01d448a6$e2b65c40$a82314c0$@cox.net>
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>> Dear Forum,
>>
>>
>>
>>                         My stock Girling brakes suffered a seized 
>> caliper.  I
>> re-built the brakes with the help of Asa Jay's techno brake article 
>> and Mike
>> Dailey's Pantera Place.   I have installed the brakes and spent half 
>> the
>> weekend and over four quarts of brake fluid trying to get the air 
>> out.   I
>> still have a softish pedal.
>>
>>
>>                         I seem to recall some trick about tapping the 
>> steel
>> brake lines to help the air find its way out.  Are there any tips to 
>> hasten
>> the process?   I did go and buy two more quarts.  Sigh.
>>
>>
>>
>>                                          Warmest regards,  Chuck 
>> Engles
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     Dear Forum,
>>
>>
>>
>>                            My stock Girling brakes suffered a seized
>>     caliper.  I re-built the brakes with the help of Asa Jay's techno 
>> brake
>>     article and Mike Dailey's Pantera Place.   I have installed the 
>> brakes
>>     and spent half the weekend and over four quarts of brake fluid 
>> trying
>>     to get the air out.   I still have a softish pedal.
>>
>>
>>                            I seem to recall some trick about tapping 
>> the
>>     steel brake lines to help the air find its way out.  Are there 
>> any tips
>>     to hasten the process?   I did go and buy two more quarts.  Sigh.
>>
>>
>>
>>                                             Warmest regards,  Chuck 
>> Engles
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:58:43 -0700
>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Pantera Brake Bleeding tips
>> Message-ID: <9da233c1-32d5-7cde-da62-617b9995878d at asajay.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>
>> Hi Chuck,
>> Are you using a pressure bleeder?
>> Have you made sure all fittings are good and snug so air isn't 
>> getting
>> in anywhere?
>> Have you mounted the correct caliper on the correct side?
>> Are you bleeding all four wheels? (one at a time of course)
>> Are you still getting bubbles in the fluid, out at the caliper?
>>
>> Four quarts is a lot to go through.? If you are still getting air at 
>> the
>> caliper when you bleed, then it's gotta be getting in somewhere.? If 
>> you
>> aren't getting bubbles, then you might be done, despite the fact your
>> pedal feels softer.? I might be you're used to fighting that seized
>> caliper.? ??
>>
>> Asa? Jay
>>
>> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
>> ******************************
>> http://w7tsc.org
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>
>> On 9/9/2018 18:37, Charles Engles wrote:
>>>     Dear Forum,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                            My stock Girling brakes suffered a seized
>>>     caliper.  I re-built the brakes with the help of Asa Jay's 
>>> techno brake
>>>     article and Mike Dailey's Pantera Place.   I have installed the 
>>> brakes
>>>     and spent half the weekend and over four quarts of brake fluid 
>>> trying
>>>     to get the air out.   I still have a softish pedal.
>>>
>>>
>>>                            I seem to recall some trick about tapping 
>>> the
>>>     steel brake lines to help the air find its way out.  Are there 
>>> any tips
>>>     to hasten the process?   I did go and buy two more quarts. 
>>> Sigh.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                             Warmest regards,  Chuck 
>>> Engles
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     Hi Chuck,
>>     Are you using a pressure bleeder?
>>     Have you made sure all fittings are good and snug so air isn't 
>> getting
>>     in anywhere?
>>     Have you mounted the correct caliper on the correct side?
>>     Are you bleeding all four wheels? (one at a time of course)
>>     Are you still getting bubbles in the fluid, out at the caliper?
>>     Four quarts is a lot to go through.  If you are still getting air 
>> at
>>     the caliper when you bleed, then it's gotta be getting in 
>> somewhere.
>>     If you aren't getting bubbles, then you might be done, despite 
>> the fact
>>     your pedal feels softer.  I might be you're used to fighting that
>>     seized caliper.  ??
>>     Asa  Jay
>> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
>> ******************************
>> [1]http://w7tsc.org
>> [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>
>>     On 9/9/2018 18:37, Charles Engles wrote:
>>
>>     Dear Forum,
>>
>>
>>
>>                            My stock Girling brakes suffered a seized
>>     caliper.  I re-built the brakes with the help of Asa Jay's techno 
>> brake
>>     article and Mike Dailey's Pantera Place.   I have installed the 
>> brakes
>>     and spent half the weekend and over four quarts of brake fluid 
>> trying
>>     to get the air out.   I still have a softish pedal.
>>
>>
>>                            I seem to recall some trick about tapping 
>> the
>>     steel brake lines to help the air find its way out.  Are there 
>> any tips
>>     to hasten the process?   I did go and buy two more quarts.  Sigh.
>>
>>
>>
>>                                             Warmest regards,  Chuck 
>> Engles
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 03:35:22 +0000
>> From: Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com>
>> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, 'Detomaso'
>> 	<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Pantera Brake Bleeding tips
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>> I had the same problem for a couple years. Even after using a power 
>> bleeder, it stiil remained the same. I finally decided to fix the 
>> problem once and for all. Using the usual sequence, passenger rear, 
>> drivers rear, passenger front, drivers front
>> To do this I removed each caliper place a block of wood between the 
>> pads tapped them with a dead blow while turning them in all 
>> directions then upright and bleed. Got lots of air pockets that would 
>> not let go otherwise . Tap all the lines as you move along from 
>> caliper to caliper.
>> Now they'll put you through the windshield.
>> Now with no air in the system the power bleeder works great when I 
>> need to change and flush old fluid to new. I use a suction device to 
>> empty the reservoir fill with new fluid and let the power bleeder do 
>> the rest following the above sequence .
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S? 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>> Date: 9/9/18 18:37 (GMT-08:00)
>> To: 'Detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Pantera Brake Bleeding tips
>>
>> Dear Forum,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                         My stock Girling brakes suffered a seized 
>> caliper.  I
>> re-built the brakes with the help of Asa Jay's techno brake article 
>> and Mike
>> Dailey's Pantera Place.   I have installed the brakes and spent half 
>> the
>> weekend and over four quarts of brake fluid trying to get the air 
>> out.   I
>> still have a softish pedal.
>>
>>
>>
>>                         I seem to recall some trick about tapping the 
>> steel
>> brake lines to help the air find its way out.  Are there any tips to 
>> hasten
>> the process?   I did go and buy two more quarts.  Sigh.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                                          Warmest regards,  Chuck 
>> Engles
>>
>> -------------- next part --------------
>>     I had the same problem for a couple years. Even after using a 
>> power
>>     bleeder, it stiil remained the same. I finally decided to fix the
>>     problem once and for all. Using the usual sequence, passenger 
>> rear,
>>     drivers rear, passenger front, drivers front
>>     To do this I removed each caliper place a block of wood between 
>> the
>>     pads tapped them with a dead blow while turning them in all 
>> directions
>>     then upright and bleed. Got lots of air pockets that would not 
>> let go
>>     otherwise . Tap all the lines as you move along from caliper to
>>     caliper.
>>     Now they'll put you through the windshield.
>>     Now with no air in the system the power bleeder works great when 
>> I need
>>     to change and flush old fluid to new. I use a suction device to 
>> empty
>>     the reservoir fill with new fluid and let the power bleeder do 
>> the rest
>>     following the above sequence .
>>     Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S(R) 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>     -------- Original message --------
>>     From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>>     Date: 9/9/18 18:37 (GMT-08:00)
>>     To: 'Detomaso' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: Pantera Brake Bleeding tips
>>
>>     Dear Forum,
>>
>>
>>                            My stock Girling brakes suffered a seized
>>     caliper.  I
>>     re-built the brakes with the help of Asa Jay's techno brake 
>> article and
>>     Mike
>>     Dailey's Pantera Place.   I have installed the brakes and spent 
>> half
>>     the
>>     weekend and over four quarts of brake fluid trying to get the air
>>     out.   I
>>     still have a softish pedal.
>>
>>                            I seem to recall some trick about tapping 
>> the
>>     steel
>>     brake lines to help the air find its way out.  Are there any tips 
>> to
>>     hasten
>>     the process?   I did go and buy two more quarts.  Sigh.
>>
>>
>>                                             Warmest regards,  Chuck 
>> Engles
>>
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