[DeTomaso] FW: Wiper Motors Thank you Julian
jderyke at aol.com
jderyke at aol.com
Mon Sep 3 15:54:16 EDT 2018
Expanding on Tom's post re a wiper motor splash shield, it IS a good idea. But if you have added a lot of extra caster, that pulls the wheels back toward the cabin and at full lock turn, wide tire treads will hit the shield. The same can happen in turns if you're running larger than normal OD front tires. This also happened on a GT5-S conversion with 17" x 10" wheels & big tires. The fix is to trim off about 1/2" off the shield, right at the central fold line. I had this problem, fixed it and Larry Stock at <www.Panteraparts.com> now has pre-trimmed shields with your stocker as a core. It's always something....- J DeRyke
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Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2018 7:29 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Wiper Motors Thank you Julian
Just catching up on emails and reading of your wiper issues.
No one has mentioned it yet, but you might want to get a splash shield
to protect your rebuilt motor. If I recall correctly they aren't a
very complex shape and you could probably make one if you can't find
one.
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Roland <willibillie at live.de>; Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2018 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Wiper Motors Thank you Julian
I have to admit I just went on the fact the motor in my '74 was 95
degree sweep, it is of course entirely possible that it was replaced at
some point, although 95 degrees is not a common sweep. That said the
motor I rebuilt yesterday from the GT5 (left hand park) was a 110
degree sweep. I hadn't considered the different parking locations would
dictate different sweeps, but that does make sense and also that
the right hand park would have a shorter arc against the A pillar.
Thanks for the update, I'm still learning a little every day!
Julian
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Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 11:32 AM
To: Roland
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Wiper Motors Thank you Julian
Roland,
I'm not sure, but I *believe* the Panteras that park the wipers on the
right side (later 73 and 74 USA cars only) have a different degree
sweep?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:24, Roland <[4]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
>
> Only one mistake. The Pantera uses a 105 degree gear.
>
> Roland
>
>
>> Am 02.09.2018 um 19:39 schrieb Steve:
>> Just forwarding an e-mail from 2015...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-[5]bounces at poca.com
[[1][6]mailto:detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>> Of Julian Kift
>> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:58 AM
>> To: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [8]boyd411 at gmail.com
>> Cc: De Tomaso List <[9]detomaso at poca.com>; [10]pantera at austin.rr.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiper arm
>>
>> Yes wiper motor is a Lucas 14W model as fitted to Triumph, Jaguar,
MGB, Land
>> Rover and other British cars of the era. they can be had with
varying
>> degrees of sweep from 90 to 130 in 5 degree increments, the Pantera
uses a
>> 95 degree. Typically either your electrical motor (brushes usually)
give out
>> or the plastic gear splits. I have a few plastic gears left from NOS
stock I
>> bought from a warehouse closing down, you can use these in
combination with
>> your existing sweep arm to retain correct coverage.
>> I didn't know the park side was stamped on the casing, but either
way the
>> side the wipers park can be changed by simply moving the plastic
park cam
>> 180 degrees to the other side of the gear.
>> Stafford Vehicle Components in the UK is good source for any Lucas
wiper
>> parts you may require.
>>
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>> Julian
>>
>>> From: [12]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:02:38 -0400
>>> To: [13]boyd411 at gmail.com
>>> CC: [14]detomaso at poca.com; [15]pantera at austin.rr.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiper arm
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/5/13 7 45 12, [16]boyd411 at gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't know if it has any bearing on the wiper arms , but he
wiper
>>>> motors are made by Lucas. I was looking for a replacement and
prices
>>>> for a Pantera wiper motor were in the $200 range. I found a
>>>> replacement from a Triumph on Ebay for $15.00, ( I needed to use
my
>>>> own old drive cable ), the Triumph cable was shorter.
>>>>
>>>>>> Note that although externally the various motors are the same,
they
>>>>>> can
>>> differ internally, which changes the amount they rotate. The
drive gear
>>> cover is stamped with an arrow (showing the directio that the
wipers park,
>>> either left or right) and a part number. So while it's possible
that a
>> motor
>>> from a different car is a direct replacement, it's also possible
that
>>> you'd have to swap over the drive gear or something, in order to
get
>>> the desired sweep.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Mike
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Expanding on Tom's post re a wiper motor splash shield, it IS a good
idea. But if you have added a lot of extra caster, that pulls the
wheels back toward the cabin and at full lock turn, wide tire treads
will hit the shield. The same can happen in turns if you're running
larger than normal OD front tires. This also happened on a GT5-S
conversion with 17" x 10" wheels & big tires. The fix is to trim off
about 1/2" off the shield, right at the central fold line. I had this
problem, fixed it and Larry Stock at <www.Panteraparts.com> now has
pre-trimmed shields with your stocker as a core. It's always
something....- J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: julian_kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 3, 2018 7:29 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Wiper Motors Thank you Julian
Just catching up on emails and reading of your wiper issues.
No one has mentioned it yet, but you might want to get a splash
shield
to protect your rebuilt motor. If I recall correctly they aren't a
very complex shape and you could probably make one if you can't find
one.
-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Roland <[2]willibillie at live.de>; Mike Drew
<[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
detomaso <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sun, Sep 2, 2018 2:54 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Wiper Motors Thank you Julian
I have to admit I just went on the fact the motor in my '74 was 95
degree sweep, it is of course entirely possible that it was replaced
at
some point, although 95 degrees is not a common sweep. That said the
motor I rebuilt yesterday from the GT5 (left hand park) was a 110
degree sweep. I hadn't considered the different parking locations
would
dictate different sweeps, but that does make sense and also that
the right hand park would have a shorter arc against the A pillar.
Thanks for the update, I'm still learning a little every day!
Julian
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of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 11:32 AM
To: Roland
Cc: [3][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Wiper Motors Thank you Julian
Roland,
I'm not sure, but I *believe* the Panteras that park the wipers on
the
right side (later 73 and 74 USA cars only) have a different degree
sweep?
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:24, Roland <[4][8]willibillie at live.de> wrote:
>
> Only one mistake. The Pantera uses a 105 degree gear.
>
> Roland
>
>
>> Am 02.09.2018 um 19:39 schrieb Steve:
>> Just forwarding an e-mail from 2015...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-[5][9]bounces at poca.com
[[1][6]mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces at poca.com] On Behalf
>> Of Julian Kift
>> Sent: Friday, July 5, 2013 8:58 AM
>> To: [7][11]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [8][12]boyd411 at gmail.com
>> Cc: De Tomaso List <[9][13]detomaso at poca.com>;
[10][14]pantera at austin.rr.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiper arm
>>
>> Yes wiper motor is a Lucas 14W model as fitted to Triumph, Jaguar,
MGB, Land
>> Rover and other British cars of the era. they can be had with
varying
>> degrees of sweep from 90 to 130 in 5 degree increments, the
Pantera
uses a
>> 95 degree. Typically either your electrical motor (brushes
usually)
give out
>> or the plastic gear splits. I have a few plastic gears left from
NOS
stock I
>> bought from a warehouse closing down, you can use these in
combination with
>> your existing sweep arm to retain correct coverage.
>> I didn't know the park side was stamped on the casing, but either
way the
>> side the wipers park can be changed by simply moving the plastic
park cam
>> 180 degrees to the other side of the gear.
>> Stafford Vehicle Components in the UK is good source for any Lucas
wiper
>> parts you may require.
>>
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>>
>>> From: [12][16]MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:02:38 -0400
>>> To: [13][17]boyd411 at gmail.com
>>> CC: [14][18]detomaso at poca.com; [15][19]pantera at austin.rr.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wiper arm
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/5/13 7 45 12, [16][20]boyd411 at gmail.com
writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't know if it has any bearing on the wiper arms , but he
wiper
>>>> motors are made by Lucas. I was looking for a replacement and
prices
>>>> for a Pantera wiper motor were in the $200 range. I found a
>>>> replacement from a Triumph on Ebay for $15.00, ( I needed to use
my
>>>> own old drive cable ), the Triumph cable was shorter.
>>>>
>>>>>> Note that although externally the various motors are the same,
they
>>>>>> can
>>> differ internally, which changes the amount they rotate. The
drive gear
>>> cover is stamped with an arrow (showing the directio that the
wipers park,
>>> either left or right) and a part number. So while it's possible
that a
>> motor
>>> from a different car is a direct replacement, it's also possible
that
>>> you'd have to swap over the drive gear or something, in order to
get
>>> the desired sweep.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
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