[DeTomaso] My Speedometer Cable Challenges.....continued
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Sat Sep 1 20:11:49 EDT 2018
I love it when a plan comes together!
Mike
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> On Sep 1, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all - just an update on the fix that finally worked. I received the NOS speedo inner cable from Mike Drew and installed it. It worked perfectly with a smooth needle when driving. The NOS cable seemed a bit longer overall and had a smaller collar than the vendor version. See attached pic.
>
> I still can’t find the mail from someone a few months ago who noticed the difference between NOS and aftermarket collar and had to machine the aftermarket version down to fit his use. They had pics as well. If anyone still has that mail please forward to me.
>
> Thanks Mike Drew : ) Regards, Mike R.
>
>
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:15:03 PM
> To: Mike Reilly
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My Speedometer Cable Challenges.....continued
>
> Mike,
>
> FYI, here are a couple of photos of the NOS Ford Speedo cable insert...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 26, 2018, at 11:46, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike. Thanks for the quick reply. My responses below:
>
> Speedo is fine as I can hook up vendor B’s cable (the one with the collar side not on the speedo) and hook up a drill to the cable on the ZF side and the needle is smooth as butter
> I keep all parts but somehow this got tossed by error in a recent garage cleaning : (
> I’ll happily buy the NOS Ford speedo inner cable from you as I think the vendor version is too short for my car for some reason. I can then use Vendor A’s outer sheath. Thanks!!! I’ll also measure them side by side to see if there’s a difference and report back to the list. I thought someone else had recently had the same problem and posted pics of how the vendor inner cable was shorter than the stock inner cable past the collar.
> Routing wasn’t an issue as I even tested it completely out of the car and hooked up only to the speedo. It was super straight but still had bad needle flutter when I used the drill on the opposite side to test it : ( So I think it’s not long enough from the inner cable collar location to the speedo. When the speedo did work well with vendor B’s cable it was due to no collar on that side limiting the depth of engagement of the inner cable to the speedo.
>
> Odd, I agree. I’ve installed cables before on a Pantera and had no issues with getting them to work quickly.
>
> Thanks and hope you are enjoying Monterey! Surprised you had time to respond to Pantera list mails : ) Mike
>
>
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:26:15 AM
> To: Mike Reilly
> Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My Speedometer Cable Challenges.....continued
>
> Mike,
>
> 1) I’ve never heard of anybody having this problem EXCEPT for one guy that actually had a bad speedo. Would you like to borrow a spare speedo to confirm that your cable problem is actually a cable problem?
>
> 2) Who throws away Pantera parts??? Even ‘bad’ parts have value, for reference if nothing else.
>
> 3) I also have NOS Ford speedo inner cable available if you think your vendor sheath is good but cable is too short?
>
> 4) Personally I suspect your issue with Vendor A cable is just down to routing.....
>
> Let me know.....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Aug 26, 2018, at 10:54, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all. Well, I bought another speedo cable from another vendor and
> > had similar problems. My original email thread is at the bottom of
> > this mail. Any suggestions are appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Problem 1: The cables I received from both vendors (calling them A and
> > B) have the inner cable installed completely opposite each other in the
> > outer sheaths (see pic attached). Which is correct? I no longer have
> > my factory cable as reference (it got tossed by accident).
> >
> >
> > Problem 2: I know my speedo is good and the ZF angle drive is good
> > based on other testing described below. I also have had both cables
> > installed with gentle curves to ensure not binding. However, neither
> > cable works in my stock 1974 Pantera.
> > * Vendor A cable: when installed I found that the needle bounces
> > terribly. I tried various lubes (see earlier thread below) but
> > nothing worked. I also connected a power drill to the inner cable
> > end on the ZF side with the cable completely out of the car and
> > laying completely flat and straight and only hooked up on the
> > speedo end and still got a very bouncy needle. Seemed the inner
> > cable was not engaging the speedo fully even though I had it
> > attached fully to the speedo. Since it was beyond my return window
> > I decided to go with another vendor, Vendor B.
> > * Vendor B cable: Looks just like Vendor A's cable so I assume they
> > come from the same source? Anyway, this cable has the collared
> > part of the inner cable on the ZF side which is completely opposite
> > of how Vendor A sold it. So I install B's cable on the speedo end
> > first and routed it with big curves to the back of the car. I
> > attached a power drill to the ZF side of the inner cable to test it
> > out and find that it works perfectly and the speedo is very
> > smooth. I'm happy and go to connect the ZF end to the angle
> > adaptor. I then find that the collared part attached to the inner
> > cable prevents the cable from engaging deep enough on the ZF angle
> > adapter to allow me to thread the outer cable female nut to the
> > male threaded part of the ZF angle adaptor. Ugh. So I then take
> > out the inner cable and install it into the outer cable sheath as
> > in how Vendor A had it. I connect the speedo side and then try the
> > power drill attached to the ZF side test again and get bad speedo
> > needle bouncing just as I saw with Vendor A's cable. Ugh!
> >
> >
> > Solutions? Any help is appreciated.
> > * I plan to call Vendor B this week for help or a refund since his
> > cable looks the same and have the same issue as Vendor A's cable
> > and I don't need two of these that don't work.
> > * I do remember another member sharing that he had to machine down
> > the thickness of the collar on the inner cable to get his to work
> > and engage properly. I can't find that mail thread with his
> > pictures in my files so if he or someone else can send me that mail
> > I'd appreciate it.
> > * I may look at the generic Summit inner cable that was shared in
> > Robert Stroj's recent mail thread. I buy from all our vendors and
> > have for nearly 30 years but I may need to go with custom generic
> > inner cable to make this work properly : (
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Mike Reilly
> >
> >
> > From: [1]Don Franck
> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:27 PM
> > Cc: [2]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which Speedometer Cable
> >
> >
> > I had the same problem and tried different lubes. This one solved the
> > issue:
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> >> On Sunday, April 22, 2018, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
> >> Hi all. I own a 1974 Pantera and my speedo needle was bouncing
> > quite a
> >> bit. I had the original speedo cable and lubed it previously to
> > fix
> >> any bouncing but it was time for a new one recently as lubing it
> > failed
> >> to work any longer.
> >>
> >>
> >> I bought one from one of our vendors and installed it using the
> > same
> >> routing as my old cable. The bouncing was now WAY worse and noisy
> > to
> >> boot (clicking noise that increased with speed). It seemed the
> > inner
> >> cable was catching and then releasing within the outer sheath. I
> >> pulled the inner cable and it looked pretty dry so I lubed it with
> >> white lithium grease. No improvement. I then cleaned off all the
> >> grease from the inner cable with parts cleaner and also ran parts
> >> cleaner down the inside of the outer sheath until it came out
> > clean on
> >> the other side. I noted some metal fragments stuck inside the
> > sheath
> >> on the trans end of the sheath opening. I pulled them our with
> >> tweezers (2 small pieces). I didn't see any missing metal from
> > the new
> >> inner cable. Anyway, I then lubed the inner cable with dry
> > graphite
> >> lubricant and installed it back into the sheath from the speedo
> > side.
> >> I hooked up everything and checked that the routing had nice
> > gentle
> >> curves. The speedo needle still bounced a lot and made a
> > clicking
> >> noise. I disconnected the speedo cable from the speedo end and
> > drove
> >> around and still heard the clicking. I put my hand on the end of
> > the
> >> speedo cable and felt it turning but it a jerky motion. I
> > believe I
> >> got a crappy speedo cable. I didn't contact the vendor as I don't
> >> think they will take it back after I tried two different lubes on
> > it.
> >> I also don't think I want the same one in return as it seemed of
> > poor
> >> quality. I've bought plenty from them before but really don't
> > want
> >> another one of their speedo cables.
> >>
> >>
> >> Any recommended speedo cables that folks have found to be of high
> >> quality? I see some vendors have what they call "heavy duty"
> > cables.
> >> I don't mind paying more for a good product. Not sure if all the
> >> vendors source these from the same place or not. My speedo seems
> > in
> >> good shape (car only has 30K miles) and the angle drive on my
> > transaxle
> >> is in great shape. I also know to get the angle drive nut
> > adjusted in
> >> the proper way to get it's fork fully engaged on the transaxle
> > output
> >> drive tab.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance, Mike R.
> >>
> > --
> > Don
> >
> > References
> >
> > 1. mailto:panteradon at gmail.com
> > 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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I love it when a plan comes together!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 1, 2018, at 14:09, Mike Reilly <[1]reillyms at live.com> wrote:
Hi all - just an update on the fix that finally worked. I received
the NOS speedo inner cable from Mike Drew and installed it. It worked
perfectly with a smooth needle when driving. The NOS cable seemed a
bit longer overall and had a smaller collar than the vendor version.
See attached pic.
I still can't find the mail from someone a few months ago who noticed
the difference between NOS and aftermarket collar and had to machine
the aftermarket version down to fit his use. They had pics as well.
If anyone still has that mail please forward to me.
Thanks Mike Drew : ) Regards, Mike R.
[cid:image003.png at 01D441FD.73E70BC0]
From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:15:03 PM
To: Mike Reilly
Cc: <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My Speedometer Cable Challenges.....continued
Mike,
FYI, here are a couple of photos of the NOS Ford Speedo cable insert...
image1.jpeg
image2.jpeg
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 26, 2018, at 11:46, Mike Reilly <[4]reillyms at live.com> wrote:
Hi Mike. Thanks for the quick reply. My responses below:
1. Speedo is fine as I can hook up vendor B's cable (the one with the
collar side not on the speedo) and hook up a drill to the cable on
the ZF side and the needle is smooth as butter
2. I keep all parts but somehow this got tossed by error in a recent
garage cleaning : (
3. I'll happily buy the NOS Ford speedo inner cable from you as I
think the vendor version is too short for my car for some reason.
I can then use Vendor A's outer sheath. Thanks!!! I'll also
measure them side by side to see if there's a difference and report
back to the list. I thought someone else had recently had the same
problem and posted pics of how the vendor inner cable was shorter
than the stock inner cable past the collar.
4. Routing wasn't an issue as I even tested it completely out of the
car and hooked up only to the speedo. It was super straight but
still had bad needle flutter when I used the drill on the opposite
side to test it : ( So I think it's not long enough from the inner
cable collar location to the speedo. When the speedo did work well
with vendor B's cable it was due to no collar on that side limiting
the depth of engagement of the inner cable to the speedo.
Odd, I agree. I've installed cables before on a Pantera and had no
issues with getting them to work quickly.
Thanks and hope you are enjoying Monterey! Surprised you had time to
respond to Pantera list mails : ) Mike
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From: Mike Drew <[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:26:15 AM
To: Mike Reilly
Cc: <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] My Speedometer Cable Challenges.....continued
Mike,
1) I've never heard of anybody having this problem EXCEPT for one guy
that actually had a bad speedo. Would you like to borrow a spare speedo
to confirm that your cable problem is actually a cable problem?
2) Who throws away Pantera parts??? Even `bad' parts have value, for
reference if nothing else.
3) I also have NOS Ford speedo inner cable available if you think your
vendor sheath is good but cable is too short?
4) Personally I suspect your issue with Vendor A cable is just down to
routing.....
Let me know.....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 26, 2018, at 10:54, Mike Reilly <[7]reillyms at live.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all. Well, I bought another speedo cable from another vendor
and
> had similar problems. My original email thread is at the bottom of
> this mail. Any suggestions are appreciated.
>
>
> Problem 1: The cables I received from both vendors (calling them A
and
> B) have the inner cable installed completely opposite each other in
the
> outer sheaths (see pic attached). Which is correct? I no longer
have
> my factory cable as reference (it got tossed by accident).
>
>
> Problem 2: I know my speedo is good and the ZF angle drive is good
> based on other testing described below. I also have had both
cables
> installed with gentle curves to ensure not binding. However,
neither
> cable works in my stock 1974 Pantera.
> * Vendor A cable: when installed I found that the needle bounces
> terribly. I tried various lubes (see earlier thread below) but
> nothing worked. I also connected a power drill to the inner
cable
> end on the ZF side with the cable completely out of the car and
> laying completely flat and straight and only hooked up on the
> speedo end and still got a very bouncy needle. Seemed the
inner
> cable was not engaging the speedo fully even though I had it
> attached fully to the speedo. Since it was beyond my return
window
> I decided to go with another vendor, Vendor B.
> * Vendor B cable: Looks just like Vendor A's cable so I assume
they
> come from the same source? Anyway, this cable has the collared
> part of the inner cable on the ZF side which is completely
opposite
> of how Vendor A sold it. So I install B's cable on the speedo
end
> first and routed it with big curves to the back of the car. I
> attached a power drill to the ZF side of the inner cable to
test it
> out and find that it works perfectly and the speedo is very
> smooth. I'm happy and go to connect the ZF end to the angle
> adaptor. I then find that the collared part attached to the
inner
> cable prevents the cable from engaging deep enough on the ZF
angle
> adapter to allow me to thread the outer cable female nut to the
> male threaded part of the ZF angle adaptor. Ugh. So I then
take
> out the inner cable and install it into the outer cable sheath
as
> in how Vendor A had it. I connect the speedo side and then try
the
> power drill attached to the ZF side test again and get bad
speedo
> needle bouncing just as I saw with Vendor A's cable. Ugh!
>
>
> Solutions? Any help is appreciated.
> * I plan to call Vendor B this week for help or a refund since
his
> cable looks the same and have the same issue as Vendor A's
cable
> and I don't need two of these that don't work.
> * I do remember another member sharing that he had to machine
down
> the thickness of the collar on the inner cable to get his to
work
> and engage properly. I can't find that mail thread with his
> pictures in my files so if he or someone else can send me that
mail
> I'd appreciate it.
> * I may look at the generic Summit inner cable that was shared in
> Robert Stroj's recent mail thread. I buy from all our vendors
and
> have for nearly 30 years but I may need to go with custom
generic
> inner cable to make this work properly : (
>
>
> Thanks, Mike Reilly
>
>
> From: [1]Don Franck
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:27 PM
> Cc: [2]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which Speedometer Cable
>
>
> I had the same problem and tried different lubes. This one solved
the
> issue:
>
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>> On Sunday, April 22, 2018, Mike Reilly <[11]reillyms at live.com>
wrote:
>> Hi all. I own a 1974 Pantera and my speedo needle was bouncing
> quite a
>> bit. I had the original speedo cable and lubed it previously to
> fix
>> any bouncing but it was time for a new one recently as lubing it
> failed
>> to work any longer.
>>
>>
>> I bought one from one of our vendors and installed it using the
> same
>> routing as my old cable. The bouncing was now WAY worse and noisy
> to
>> boot (clicking noise that increased with speed). It seemed the
> inner
>> cable was catching and then releasing within the outer sheath. I
>> pulled the inner cable and it looked pretty dry so I lubed it with
>> white lithium grease. No improvement. I then cleaned off all the
>> grease from the inner cable with parts cleaner and also ran parts
>> cleaner down the inside of the outer sheath until it came out
> clean on
>> the other side. I noted some metal fragments stuck inside the
> sheath
>> on the trans end of the sheath opening. I pulled them our with
>> tweezers (2 small pieces). I didn't see any missing metal from
> the new
>> inner cable. Anyway, I then lubed the inner cable with dry
> graphite
>> lubricant and installed it back into the sheath from the speedo
> side.
>> I hooked up everything and checked that the routing had nice
> gentle
>> curves. The speedo needle still bounced a lot and made a
> clicking
>> noise. I disconnected the speedo cable from the speedo end and
> drove
>> around and still heard the clicking. I put my hand on the end of
> the
>> speedo cable and felt it turning but it a jerky motion. I
> believe I
>> got a crappy speedo cable. I didn't contact the vendor as I don't
>> think they will take it back after I tried two different lubes on
> it.
>> I also don't think I want the same one in return as it seemed of
> poor
>> quality. I've bought plenty from them before but really don't
> want
>> another one of their speedo cables.
>>
>>
>> Any recommended speedo cables that folks have found to be of high
>> quality? I see some vendors have what they call "heavy duty"
> cables.
>> I don't mind paying more for a good product. Not sure if all the
>> vendors source these from the same place or not. My speedo seems
> in
>> good shape (car only has 30K miles) and the angle drive on my
> transaxle
>> is in great shape. I also know to get the angle drive nut
> adjusted in
>> the proper way to get it's fork fully engaged on the transaxle
> output
>> drive tab.
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance, Mike R.
>>
> --
> Don
>
> References
>
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13. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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