[DeTomaso] Radiator
Bill Lewis
lotus0005 at hotmail.com
Tue Oct 30 20:52:46 EDT 2018
Steve, I have a hazy visual of you and the wife in bed, and at some point the conversation turns to soft water/hard water/deionized water, and the comment surfaces: "I love it when you talk dirty to me!"
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Steve <steve at snclocks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 4:23 PM
To: 'Larry Stock'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
Ahhh - I was wondering who would respond. I posed this question to a group
of PhD metallurgists who worked for me for a time while developing a novel
titanium alloy - with a focus on enhanced corrosion resistance. Whilst it
possible that their combined wisdom is in error, I sort of doubt it. But
then, their department was focused on preventing corrosion and scale
deposition in the brine-processing industry.
So, what is the difference between "softened water" and DI water? Well, the
first is partially deionized. The second, well, it is deionized.
https://www.portablewatersoftener.com/faq/water-softener-faq/what-is-the-dif
ference-between-a-water-softener-and-deionizer
So, what you use is up to you - I go for DI - but then, wife is a PhD
chemist out of Notre Dame and I am a chemical engineer with experience in
the brine-processing industry.
As all of us know - your mileage may vary!
Stephen
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Stock [mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:07 AM
To: Steve <steve at snclocks.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
Actually Softened Tap water is best, then tap water, but that varies quite a
bit. Actually The worst thing you can use is DI water which promotes
electrolysis in your cooling system.
On 10/29/18, 7:38 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of steve at snclocks.com>
wrote:
>Wow - does anyone use tap water in their radiators??? DI water is less
>than a dollar a gallon!
>
>Stephen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf Of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:47 PM
>To: djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com; audionut at hushmail.com
>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
>
> Before you lay out cash to fix an aluminum radiator, check the water
>in your area. Some parts of the U.S, in spite of the best efforts of
>the EPA, has water that is almost as corrosive as Coco-Cola! Go to a
>swimming pool shop and get a roll of pH paper for about $2. Dip it in
>some tap water at your house- or wherever you'll be getting the water
>for your cooling system. Municipal water systems are all over the map
>and two houses next door to each other may have sources 100 miles
>apart. If a couple of quick tests show the pH is below 7.0, you MUST
>use an anti-acid additive like Larry Stock mentioned. If its really
>low, a sacrificial anode may be needed as well. Corvette shops have
>been dealing with this for 55 years and have everything in stock.
>
>Second thing to watch: the pressure in most of the cooling system is
>less than 15 psi, so using an 18" wrench to tighten fittings like the
>black-iron water piping in your house is guaranteed to split or strip
>soft aluminum bosses. Use teflon tape and a gentle hand when tightening
>things into aluminum.
>
>Finally, there a neat little test the Corvette guys have been using
>since the mid-'60s. They have ALL had aluminum radiators since the days
>of the split-window 'Vette, with few failures such as members of this
>Forum have described. Take a GOOD VOM, set on the lowest voltage range,
>put one lead in the coolant in the tank and ground the other lead. If
>you see more than about 70 millivolts, this is a measure of how fast
>your alloy parts are dissolving. If you get no reading, your VOM is too
>coarse in its ranges. Borrow one from a TV repair shop if you must.
>Mine cost $250 in
>1985- a $7.95 special from Harbor Freight simply will not work. Its
>like trying to use a yardstick to measure crank bearings.
>
>Last thought: Carrying extra weight around in your Pantera impacts tire
>life, gas mileage, acceleration, brakes, handling and a host of other
>things; it's not 'just for racers'. Good luck- J DeRyke
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com <djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com>
>To: audionut <audionut at hushmail.com>
>CC: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Sent: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:55
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
>
> Thanks John. Waiting to hear from the Rad shop if they can repair.
> Dave
> Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: [1]audionut at hushmail.com
> Date: Sun, Oct 28, 2018 4:21 PM
> To: [2]djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com;
> Cc:
> Subject:Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
> Hi Dave--
> I also have a 73 (stock 351 w/Holley 650). 10 years ago, with simple
> tools, I installed a Fluidyne aluminum radiator/lay down kit and 2
> sucker fans.
> I have driven it in hot weather, bumper to bumper traffic, you name
> it-- the car has never even come close to overheating nor has it
> ever leaked.
> I change coolant every 2 years.
> Best of luck!
> John
> 73L #5909
> Sent using Hushmail
> On 10/27/2018 at 11:46 AM,[3] djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com wrote:
>
> I might need a new radiator for my 73 pantera. Would appreciate
> suggestions on a replacement.
> Thanks,Dave
> Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone
>
>References
>
> 1. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com
> 2. mailto:djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com
> 3. mailto:%20djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com
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Steve, I have a hazy visual of you and the wife in bed, and at some
point the conversation turns to soft water/hard water/deionized water,
and the comment surfaces: "I love it when you talk dirty to me!"
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Steve <steve at snclocks.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 4:23 PM
To: 'Larry Stock'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
Ahhh - I was wondering who would respond. I posed this question to a
group
of PhD metallurgists who worked for me for a time while developing a
novel
titanium alloy - with a focus on enhanced corrosion resistance. Whilst
it
possible that their combined wisdom is in error, I sort of doubt it.
But
then, their department was focused on preventing corrosion and scale
deposition in the brine-processing industry.
So, what is the difference between "softened water" and DI water?
Well, the
first is partially deionized. The second, well, it is deionized.
[1]https://www.portablewatersoftener.com/faq/water-softener-faq/what-is
-the-dif
ference-between-a-water-softener-and-deionizer
So, what you use is up to you - I go for DI - but then, wife is a PhD
chemist out of Notre Dame and I am a chemical engineer with experience
in
the brine-processing industry.
As all of us know - your mileage may vary!
Stephen
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Stock [[2]mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com]
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 8:07 AM
To: Steve <steve at snclocks.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
Actually Softened Tap water is best, then tap water, but that varies
quite a
bit. Actually The worst thing you can use is DI water which promotes
electrolysis in your cooling system.
On 10/29/18, 7:38 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Steve"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
steve at snclocks.com>
wrote:
>Wow - does anyone use tap water in their radiators??? DI water is
less
>than a dollar a gallon!
>
>Stephen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso [[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>Behalf Of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 7:47 PM
>To: djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com; audionut at hushmail.com
>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
>
> Before you lay out cash to fix an aluminum radiator, check the water
>in your area. Some parts of the U.S, in spite of the best efforts of
>the EPA, has water that is almost as corrosive as Coco-Cola! Go to a
>swimming pool shop and get a roll of pH paper for about $2. Dip it in
>some tap water at your house- or wherever you'll be getting the water
>for your cooling system. Municipal water systems are all over the map
>and two houses next door to each other may have sources 100 miles
>apart. If a couple of quick tests show the pH is below 7.0, you MUST
>use an anti-acid additive like Larry Stock mentioned. If its really
>low, a sacrificial anode may be needed as well. Corvette shops have
>been dealing with this for 55 years and have everything in stock.
>
>Second thing to watch: the pressure in most of the cooling system is
>less than 15 psi, so using an 18" wrench to tighten fittings like the
>black-iron water piping in your house is guaranteed to split or strip
>soft aluminum bosses. Use teflon tape and a gentle hand when
tightening
>things into aluminum.
>
>Finally, there a neat little test the Corvette guys have been using
>since the mid-'60s. They have ALL had aluminum radiators since the
days
>of the split-window 'Vette, with few failures such as members of this
>Forum have described. Take a GOOD VOM, set on the lowest voltage
range,
>put one lead in the coolant in the tank and ground the other lead. If
>you see more than about 70 millivolts, this is a measure of how fast
>your alloy parts are dissolving. If you get no reading, your VOM is
too
>coarse in its ranges. Borrow one from a TV repair shop if you must.
>Mine cost $250 in
>1985- a $7.95 special from Harbor Freight simply will not work. Its
>like trying to use a yardstick to measure crank bearings.
>
>Last thought: Carrying extra weight around in your Pantera impacts
tire
>life, gas mileage, acceleration, brakes, handling and a host of other
>things; it's not 'just for racers'. Good luck- J DeRyke
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com <djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com>
>To: audionut <audionut at hushmail.com>
>CC: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Sent: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 14:55
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
>
> Thanks John. Waiting to hear from the Rad shop if they can repair.
> Dave
> Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone
>
> ------ Original message------
> From: [1]audionut at hushmail.com
> Date: Sun, Oct 28, 2018 4:21 PM
> To: [2]djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com;
> Cc:
> Subject:Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
> Hi Dave--
> I also have a 73 (stock 351 w/Holley 650). 10 years ago, with
simple
> tools, I installed a Fluidyne aluminum radiator/lay down kit and 2
> sucker fans.
> I have driven it in hot weather, bumper to bumper traffic, you name
> it-- the car has never even come close to overheating nor has it
> ever leaked.
> I change coolant every 2 years.
> Best of luck!
> John
> 73L #5909
> Sent using Hushmail
> On 10/27/2018 at 11:46 AM,[3] djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com wrote:
>
> I might need a new radiator for my 73 pantera. Would appreciate
> suggestions on a replacement.
> Thanks,Dave
> Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone
>
>References
>
> 1. [4]mailto:audionut at hushmail.com
> 2. [5]mailto:djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com
> 3. [6]mailto:%20djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com
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