[DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test drive

MARK CHARLTON pantera01826 at rogers.com
Thu Oct 4 11:47:48 EDT 2018


and Canada…

Mark Charlton
pantera01826 at rogers.com



> On Oct 4, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> Yup, that’s true everywhere in the US.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 4, 2018, at 08:43, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I don't know if this is specific to Texas or not, but here in Texas if
>>  a car is involved in an accident, the car carries the insurance
>>  regardless of who is driving. So if the guy says he has insurance, it
>>  doesn't matter, even if it's his fault. If you own the car, it's your
>>  insurance that pays.
>>  Jeff
>> 
>>  On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:27 PM Pantdino via DeTomaso
>>  <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> 
>>    A  A I think you can accomplish the same thing by instructing the
>>    owner /
>>    A  A driver to do what you'd do, ie stop with hands off the wheel,
>>    downshift
>>    A  A to second at a certain speed to see if the synchros are
>>    working, apply
>>    A  A throttle to see if the car changes direction, brake hard, etc.
>>    A  A My impression is that with Ferraris the buyer does not drive
>>    the car
>>    A  A until he has officially purchased it.A  Too much money at risk.
>>    A  A Jim
>>    A  A -----Original Message-----
>>    A  A From: MARK CHARLTON <[2]pantera01826 at rogers.com>
>>    A  A To: Himes, Terry (397C) (397C) <[3]Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>>    A  A Cc: DeTomaso Email List <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
>>    The
>>    A  A DeTomaso Registry Guy <[5]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>>    A  A Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2018 12:19 pm
>>    A  A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test
>>    drive
>>    A  A I agree that it seems like it would be dumb to buy a car
>>    without
>>    A  A driving it, but on reflection, I have bought three collector
>>    cars
>>    A  A without driving them (each for different reasons) before
>>    purchasing
>>    A  A them. That includes two Panteras and a Longchamp. I definitely
>>    would
>>    A  A never let someone I do not know or trust drive one of my cars
>>    until the
>>    A  A deal is done (or at least a large deposit is in-hand). Mark
>>    Charlton
>>    A  A [1][6]pantera01826 at rogers.com > On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:32 PM,
>>    Himes, Terry
>>    A  A (397C) via DeTomaso <[2][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>    wrote: > >
>>    A  A Well said! > > Except for one thing... realistically, who would
>>    buy a
>>    A  A car before they drove it?? > > > "A Purple Heart proves you
>>    were smart
>>    A  A enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky
>>    enough to
>>    A  A survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >
>>    Dawn
>>    A  A Spacecraft Team > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > Phone: (818)
>>    393-6261 >
>>    A  A Cell: (818) 653-8213 > [3][8]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > d--od-, > >
>>> i>>?On
>>    A  A 10/2/18, 11:23 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton"
>>    A  A <detomaso-[4][9]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>    A  A [5][10]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: > > I have to chime in here. I
>>    think there
>>    A  A is a matter of "vetting" the potential buyer before letting
>>    them test
>>    A  A drive. Yes, there are those who just want to burn the tires and
>>    see how
>>    A  A fast the car goes; these you don't want driving the car. > > A
>>    real car
>>    A  A guy who appreciates what they are looking to buy, will
>>    understand the
>>    A  A concepts of horsepower and what it can do. They will understand
>>    the
>>    A  A dynamic difference between mashing the throttle down and easing
>>    into
>>    A  A it. They will know and feel if the engine is operating
>>    properly, if the
>>    A  A secondaries for example are working or not. This what you
>>    discover by
>>    A  A properly vetting the buyer. > > It's a mid-engine car. Have
>>    they driven
>>    A  A anything like that before? With horsepower? > What do they do
>>    for a
>>    A  A living? What are their hobbies? What other cars do they own?
>>    And more
>>    A  A ... > > The idea is to get comfortable with the buyer. If you
>>    aren't
>>    A  A comfortable with the buyer.... they don't get to drive it,
>>    until money
>>    A  A is in hand and the title has been signed. > > Just my thoughts.
>>> Asa
>>    A  A Jay > > > a-L-Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired >
>>    Sent
>>    A  A using Jedi Mind Tricksa > > On Oct 2, 2018, 09:28, at 09:28,
>>    The
>>    A  A DeTomaso Registry Guy <[6][11]detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>>    wrote: >> >> When
>>    A  A I bought my Pantera, The seller would not allow me to drive it.
>>>>>> 
>>    A  A He said people could loose control of the car with its power.
>>>>>> At
>>    A  A the time I thought this was a little 'odd', but I still bought
>>    the >>
>>    A  A car. >> >> Soon thereafter I found that he used the wrong carb
>>    cable
>>    A  A bracket, and >> the secondaries were not opening. >> >> Yea,
>>    the car
>>    A  A was a lot faster after that quick fix. >> >> Even if insurance
>>    covers
>>    A  A the damage, there is still a loss in value >> with >> the car
>>    now
>>    A  A having been in a wreck, minor as it may be. >> >> The driver
>>    owes the
>>    A  A owner some money, like $10,000, part compensation >> and part
>>    A  A punishment. >> >> Few truly honest people out there... so this
>>    won't
>>    A  A happen. >> >> I am 'hired' occasionally to drive specialty
>>    cars. >> >>
>>    A  A This is to diagnose problems, provide my opinion, or to give
>>    demo rides
>>    A  A >> to perspective buyers. >> >> I was even asked to drive Bob
>>    Benson's
>>    A  A Blue Beast at the DeAnza Auto-X >> ... Just to heat up the
>>    tires! >> >>
>>    A  A Now that was FUN! >> >> Chuck >> >> >>
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