[DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test drive
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Tue Oct 2 20:27:16 EDT 2018
The World has changed of late and there are way too many scammers who have gotten quite good at what they do in some cases, so I would conduct a lot more due diligence than in the past. But I have purchased numerous cars including a Pantera, Ultima two GT40's and most of the race cars I've owned sight unseen, let alone driven them!
Say I'm crazy, but only one of those purchases was less than stellar and that was one of the big rig car haulers.
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 12:19 PM
To: Himes, Terry (397C)
Cc: DeTomaso Email List; The DeTomaso Registry Guy
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test drive
I agree that it seems like it would be dumb to buy a car without driving it, but on reflection, I have bought three collector cars without driving them (each for different reasons) before purchasing them. That includes two Panteras and a Longchamp. I definitely would never let someone I do not know or trust drive one of my cars until the deal is done (or at least a large deposit is in-hand).
Mark Charlton
pantera01826 at rogers.com
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Well said!
>
> Except for one thing... realistically, who would buy a car before they drove it??
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
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>
>
> On 10/2/18, 11:23 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> I have to chime in here. I think there is a matter of "vetting" the potential buyer before letting them test drive. Yes, there are those who just want to burn the tires and see how fast the car goes; these you don't want driving the car.
>
> A real car guy who appreciates what they are looking to buy, will understand the concepts of horsepower and what it can do. They will understand the dynamic difference between mashing the throttle down and easing into it. They will know and feel if the engine is operating properly, if the secondaries for example are working or not. This what you discover by properly vetting the buyer.
>
> It's a mid-engine car. Have they driven anything like that before? With horsepower?
> What do they do for a living? What are their hobbies? What other cars do they own? And more ...
>
> The idea is to get comfortable with the buyer. If you aren't comfortable with the buyer.... they don't get to drive it, until money is in hand and the title has been signed.
>
> Just my thoughts.
> Asa Jay
>
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>
> On Oct 2, 2018, 09:28, at 09:28, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> When I bought my Pantera, The seller would not allow me to drive it.
>>
>> He said people could loose control of the car with its power.
>>
>> At the time I thought this was a little 'odd', but I still bought the
>> car.
>>
>> Soon thereafter I found that he used the wrong carb cable bracket, and
>> the secondaries were not opening.
>>
>> Yea, the car was a lot faster after that quick fix.
>>
>> Even if insurance covers the damage, there is still a loss in value
>> with
>> the car now having been in a wreck, minor as it may be.
>>
>> The driver owes the owner some money, like $10,000, part compensation
>> and part punishment.
>>
>> Few truly honest people out there... so this won't happen.
>>
>> I am 'hired' occasionally to drive specialty cars.
>>
>> This is to diagnose problems, provide my opinion, or to give demo rides
>> to perspective buyers.
>>
>> I was even asked to drive Bob Benson's Blue Beast at the DeAnza Auto-X
>> ... Just to heat up the tires!
>>
>> Now that was FUN!
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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The World has changed of late and there are way too many scammers who
have gotten quite good at what they do in some cases, so I would
conduct a lot more due diligence than in the past. But I have
purchased numerous cars including a Pantera, Ultima two GT40's and
most of the race cars I've owned sight unseen, let alone driven them!
Say I'm crazy, but only one of those purchases was less than stellar
and that was one of the big rig car haulers.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 12:19 PM
To: Himes, Terry (397C)
Cc: DeTomaso Email List; The DeTomaso Registry Guy
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] BaT 1972 Pantera - Damaged during test drive
I agree that it seems like it would be dumb to buy a car without
driving it, but on reflection, I have bought three collector cars
without driving them (each for different reasons) before purchasing
them. That includes two Panteras and a Longchamp. I definitely would
never let someone I do not know or trust drive one of my cars until the
deal is done (or at least a large deposit is in-hand).
Mark Charlton
pantera01826 at rogers.com
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:32 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Well said!
>
> Except for one thing... realistically, who would buy a car before
they drove it??
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
>
>
> On 10/2/18, 11:23 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> I have to chime in here. I think there is a matter of "vetting"
the potential buyer before letting them test drive. Yes, there are
those who just want to burn the tires and see how fast the car goes;
these you don't want driving the car.
>
> A real car guy who appreciates what they are looking to buy, will
understand the concepts of horsepower and what it can do. They will
understand the dynamic difference between mashing the throttle down and
easing into it. They will know and feel if the engine is operating
properly, if the secondaries for example are working or not. This what
you discover by properly vetting the buyer.
>
> It's a mid-engine car. Have they driven anything like that
before? With horsepower?
> What do they do for a living? What are their hobbies? What other
cars do they own? And more ...
>
> The idea is to get comfortable with the buyer. If you aren't
comfortable with the buyer.... they don't get to drive it, until money
is in hand and the title has been signed.
>
> Just my thoughts.
> Asa Jay
>
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>
> On Oct 2, 2018, 09:28, at 09:28, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
<detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> When I bought my Pantera, The seller would not allow me to drive it.
>>
>> He said people could loose control of the car with its power.
>>
>> At the time I thought this was a little 'odd', but I still bought
the
>> car.
>>
>> Soon thereafter I found that he used the wrong carb cable bracket,
and
>> the secondaries were not opening.
>>
>> Yea, the car was a lot faster after that quick fix.
>>
>> Even if insurance covers the damage, there is still a loss in value
>> with
>> the car now having been in a wreck, minor as it may be.
>>
>> The driver owes the owner some money, like $10,000, part
compensation
>> and part punishment.
>>
>> Few truly honest people out there... so this won't happen.
>>
>> I am 'hired' occasionally to drive specialty cars.
>>
>> This is to diagnose problems, provide my opinion, or to give demo
rides
>> to perspective buyers.
>>
>> I was even asked to drive Bob Benson's Blue Beast at the DeAnza
Auto-X
>> ... Just to heat up the tires!
>>
>> Now that was FUN!
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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>>
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