[DeTomaso] Speedometer Repair Options?

Jeff Detrich jjdetrich at gmail.com
Mon Nov 26 16:41:53 EST 2018


Too cool Terry!

Jeff
6559

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:28 PM Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:

> Are you the one in the maroon shirt?
>
> On 11/26/18, 12:20 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) via
> DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> >Ok!  Just got our first image back, shot thru the dust cover. The cover
> >hasn’t been ejected yet,
> >until the dust settles and we can deploy our solar arrays, and start
> >getting power.
> >
> >The spacecraft is going thru checkout now.  It will take a few hours to
> >finish and deploy the solar
> >arrays. They can generate 700 watts on a clear day.
> >
> >Terry
> >
> >
> >
> >"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> >
> >Terry W. Himes
> >JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> >Dawn Spacecraft Team
> >Juno Systems & Software Team
> >TGO Sequence Lead
> >Phone: (818) 393-6261
> >Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> >thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> >🇺🇸
> >
> >
> >On 11/26/18, 12:02 PM, "Michael Barnes"
> ><michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >    Congratulations and well done Terry, thanks for the link, very
> >exciting watch and look forward to updates .
> >
> >    Sent from Michael's iPhone
> >
> >    > On 26 Nov 2018, at 16:52, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso
> ><detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >    >
> >    > Thanks.  We did TCM 6 yesterday.  Very minor tweak.
> >    >
> >    > Turn your browers to https://www.jpl.nasa.gov   or
> >https://www.nasa.gov  to watch the landing live.
> >    >
> >    > Get in early as the servers might get crushed.  Lots more TV
> >coverage than expected.  (Who knew!!??)
> >    >
> >    > Terry
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >
> >    > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> >    > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> >    >
> >    > Terry W. Himes
> >    > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> >    > Dawn Spacecraft Team
> >    > Juno Systems & Software Team
> >    > TGO Sequence Lead
> >    > Phone: (818) 393-6261
> >    > Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> >    > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> >    > 🇺🇸
> >    >
> >    >
> >    > On 11/26/18, 8:48 AM, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >    >
> >    >    Happy landings!
> >    >    Only 24K Miles to GO
> >    >
> >    >    -----Original Message-----
> >    >    From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> >On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso
> >    >    Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 14:09 PM
> >    >    To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; 'Steve'; 'List DeTomaso Forum'
> >    >    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speedometer Repair Options?
> >    >
> >    >    NPC
> >    >
> >    >    Speaking of which, we have completed our cruise calibrations of
> >all instruments on-board the InSight spacecraft.
> >    >    This weekend we did TCM 5 (Trajectory Correction Maneuver) to
> >hit our landing ellipse.
> >    >
> >    >    https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/
> >    >
> >    >    Mars Landing is on Monday, Nov 26th.
> >    >    EDL:         26.Nov.2018   19:46:28  (2018-330T19:46:28) UTC
> >    >                                               11:46:28 PST
> >    >
> >    >    Point your browsers to https://www.nasa.gov      OR
> >    >    https://www.jpl.nasa.gov      both will have live streaming.
> >Get on early.
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >    Terry
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >    "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> >stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> >    >
> >    >    Terry W. Himes
> >    >    JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> >    >    Dawn Spacecraft Team
> >    >    Juno Systems & Software Team
> >    >    TGO Sequence Lead
> >    >    Phone: (818) 393-6261
> >    >    Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> >    >    thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> >    >    🇺🇸
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >    On 11/19/18, 10:00 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The DeTomaso
> >Registry Guy" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> >detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >        Yup!  Long ago I learned verify the calibration of your
> >tools,
> >    >        BEFORE you use them to verify/validate anything else with
> >them.
> >    >
> >    >        Chuck
> >    >
> >    >        Round 'bout way Chuck is saying "Check everything  and
> >anything you
> >    >        canbefore you put it back on the car".  New thermostat?
> >Check it in a
> >    >        heated pan of water with a good thermometer.
> >    >
> >    >        Stephen
> >    >
> >    >        -----Original Message-----
> >    >        From: DeTomaso
> >[mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> >    >        Of The DeTomaso Registry Guy
> >    >        Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 9:41 AM
> >    >        To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> >    >        Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >    >        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speedometer Repair Options?
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >        Every long established business, even those with golden
> >reputations can make
> >    >        mistakes.
> >    >
> >    >        PA Speedo is included.
> >    >
> >    >        We were recently working on a vintage Jaguar, the
> >(mechanical coolant) temp
> >    >        gauge was problematic, and off it went to PA Speedo for
> >fix/calibration.
> >    >
> >    >        When returned and installed, we found that it was not
> >accurate.  We
> >    >        communicated with PA Speedo are were told they tested it,
> >fixed it,
> >    >        re-calibrated it, tested it, then shipped back to us.
> >    >
> >    >        Shop time spent (~ $150/hour) diagnosing this old/new
> >failure.
> >    >
> >    >        We spent some time with the sensor in a bucket of hot water,
> >next to both a
> >    >        digital thermometer (highly accurate) and another mechanical
> >gauge.  The
> >    >        results did not compare to what PA Speedo stated.  We called
> >them and
> >    >        verified what repairs they made, and how they verified the
> >results.
> >    >        We just could not repeat their findings. (Broken again or
> >still broken ?)
> >    >        Back it went.
> >    >
> >    >        More shop time spent.  The car owner (a 'space' engineer)
> >fully documented
> >    >        activities.
> >    >        After another round of calls to PA Speedo, and more shop
> >time spent, we
> >    >        finally learned that what we were previously told by PA
> >Speedo was um....
> >    >        not correct.
> >    >
> >    >        OK blunt statement here... They lied to us about their
> >testing.
> >    >        They didn't test it, which they now 'sort of' admit.  Rather
> >odd reply
> >    >        actually.
> >    >        So another round of pull it out and send to them, to wait
> >for re-delivery.
> >    >
> >    >        Begin another round of test, adjust, validate, re-install,
> >final test in
> >    >        car...
> >    >
> >    >        The final result is that the gauge is much less accurate in
> >the low, warm-up
> >    >        zone of the scale (below 50+ C) and seems to only be
> >accurate near 80-100 C.
> >    >
> >    >        So even famous landmark businesses can fail their customers.
> >
> >    >        In this case lying about test results, which caused hours of
> >shop time, is
> >    >        just not OK, and is not acceptable, and worse that a bad
> >repair.
> >    >
> >    >        This seemed more than accidental miss-communication, or
> >sloppy work, but
> >    >        intentional deceit.
> >    >        So the individual responsible should be fired.
> >    >
> >    >        I do not know what PA Speedo did internally, but their
> >reputation was quite
> >    >        tarnished in our view.
> >    >
> >    >        Chuck
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >        Jim,
> >    >
> >    >        Yeah it's really amazing. They are in a beautiful old
> >building, a car
> >    >        workshop with an arched curved wooden roof with exposed
> >beams and skylights,
> >    >        right in the middle of downtown Palo Alto. It's like walking
> >into a time
> >    >        machine.
> >    >
> >    >        They have a jillion parts from every kind of gauge you can
> >imagine.
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >
> >    >        Mike
> >    >
> >    >
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   Too cool Terry!A

   Jeff

   6559

   On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:28 PM Larry Stock
   <[1]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:

     Are you the one in the maroon shirt?
     On 11/26/18, 12:20 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C)
     via
     DeTomaso" <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
     [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >Ok!A  Just got our first image back, shot thru the dust cover. The
     cover
     >hasnat been ejected yet,
     >until the dust settles and we can deploy our solar arrays, and
     start
     >getting power.
     >
     >The spacecraft is going thru checkout now.A  It will take a few
     hours to
     >finish and deploy the solar
     >arrays. They can generate 700 watts on a clear day.
     >
     >Terry
     >
     >
     >
     >"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
     > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
     >
     >Terry W. Himes
     >JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
     >Dawn Spacecraft Team
     >Juno Systems & Software Team
     >TGO Sequence Lead
     >Phone: (818) 393-6261
     >Cell:A  A  A (818) 653-8213
     >[4]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
     >d--od-,
     >
     >
     >i>>?On 11/26/18, 12:02 PM, "Michael Barnes"
     ><[5]michaelbarnessrt10 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
     >
     >A  A  Congratulations and well done Terry, thanks for the link,
     very
     >exciting watch and look forward to updates .
     >A  A
     >A  A  Sent from Michael's iPhone
     >A  A
     >A  A  > On 26 Nov 2018, at 16:52, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso
     ><[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  > Thanks.A  We did TCM 6 yesterday.A  Very minor tweak.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  > Turn your browers to [7]https://www.jpl.nasa.govA  A or
     >[8]https://www.nasa.govA  to watch the landing live.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  > Get in early as the servers might get crushed.A  Lots more
     TV
     >coverage than expected.A  (Who knew!!??)
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  > Terry
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a
     plan,
     >A  A  > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  > Terry W. Himes
     >A  A  > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
     >A  A  > Dawn Spacecraft Team
     >A  A  > Juno Systems & Software Team
     >A  A  > TGO Sequence Lead
     >A  A  > Phone: (818) 393-6261
     >A  A  > Cell:A  A  A (818) 653-8213
     >A  A  > [9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
     >A  A  > d--od-,
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  > On 11/26/18, 8:48 AM, "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr."
     <[10]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
     >wrote:
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  Happy landings!
     >A  A  >A  A  Only 24K Miles to GO
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  -----Original Message-----
     >A  A  >A  A  From: DeTomaso
     [mailto:[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
     >On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso
     >A  A  >A  A  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 14:09 PM
     >A  A  >A  A  To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; 'Steve'; 'List DeTomaso
     Forum'
     >A  A  >A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speedometer Repair Options?
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  NPC
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  Speaking of which, we have completed our cruise
     calibrations of
     >all instruments on-board the InSight spacecraft.
     >A  A  >A  A  This weekend we did TCM 5 (Trajectory Correction
     Maneuver) to
     >hit our landing ellipse.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  [12]https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  Mars Landing is on Monday, Nov 26th.
     >A  A  >A  A  EDL:A  A  A  A  A 26.Nov.2018A  A 19:46:28A
     (2018-330T19:46:28) UTC
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A
     A  A  A  A 11:46:28 PST
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  Point your browsers to [13]https://www.nasa.govA  A
     A  OR
     >A  A  >A  A  [14]https://www.jpl.nasa.govA  A  A  both will have
     live streaming.
     >Get on early.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  Terry
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch
     a plan,
     >stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  Terry W. Himes
     >A  A  >A  A  JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
     >A  A  >A  A  Dawn Spacecraft Team
     >A  A  >A  A  Juno Systems & Software Team
     >A  A  >A  A  TGO Sequence Lead
     >A  A  >A  A  Phone: (818) 393-6261
     >A  A  >A  A  Cell:A  A  A (818) 653-8213
     >A  A  >A  A  [15]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
     >A  A  >A  A  d--od-,
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  On 11/19/18, 10:00 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The
     DeTomaso
     >Registry Guy" <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on
     behalf of
     >[17]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Yup!A  Long ago I learned verify the calibration
     of your
     >tools,
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  BEFORE you use them to verify/validate anything
     else with
     >them.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Chuck
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Round 'bout way Chuck is saying "Check
     everythingA  and
     >anything you
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  canbefore you put it back on the car".A  New
     thermostat?
     >Check it in a
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  heated pan of water with a good thermometer.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Stephen
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  -----Original Message-----
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  From: DeTomaso
     >[mailto:[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Of The DeTomaso Registry Guy
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 9:41 AM
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  To: 'Mike Drew' <[19]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Cc: List DeTomaso Forum
     <[20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speedometer Repair
     Options?
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Every long established business, even those with
     golden
     >reputations can make
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  mistakes.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  PA Speedo is included.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  We were recently working on a vintage Jaguar,
     the
     >(mechanical coolant) temp
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  gauge was problematic, and off it went to PA
     Speedo for
     >fix/calibration.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  When returned and installed, we found that it
     was not
     >accurate.A  We
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  communicated with PA Speedo are were told they
     tested it,
     >fixed it,
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  re-calibrated it, tested it, then shipped back
     to us.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Shop time spent (~ $150/hour) diagnosing this
     old/new
     >failure.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  We spent some time with the sensor in a bucket
     of hot water,
     >next to both a
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  digital thermometer (highly accurate) and
     another mechanical
     >gauge.A  The
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  results did not compare to what PA Speedo
     stated.A  We called
     >them and
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  verified what repairs they made, and how they
     verified the
     >results.
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  We just could not repeat their findings. (Broken
     again or
     >still broken ?)
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Back it went.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  More shop time spent.A  The car owner (a 'space'
     engineer)
     >fully documented
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  activities.
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  After another round of calls to PA Speedo, and
     more shop
     >time spent, we
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  finally learned that what we were previously
     told by PA
     >Speedo was um....
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  not correct.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  OK blunt statement here... They lied to us about
     their
     >testing.A
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  They didn't test it, which they now 'sort of'
     admit.A  Rather
     >odd reply
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  actually.
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  So another round of pull it out and send to
     them, to wait
     >for re-delivery.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Begin another round of test, adjust, validate,
     re-install,
     >final test in
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  car...
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  The final result is that the gauge is much less
     accurate in
     >the low, warm-up
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  zone of the scale (below 50+ C) and seems to
     only be
     >accurate near 80-100 C.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  So even famous landmark businesses can fail
     their customers.
     >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  In this case lying about test results, which
     caused hours of
     >shop time, is
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  just not OK, and is not acceptable, and worse
     that a bad
     >repair.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  This seemed more than accidental
     miss-communication, or
     >sloppy work, but
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  intentional deceit.
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  So the individual responsible should be fired.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  I do not know what PA Speedo did internally, but
     their
     >reputation was quite
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  tarnished in our view.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Chuck
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     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Jim,
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     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Yeah it's really amazing. They are in a
     beautiful old
     >building, a car
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  workshop with an arched curved wooden roof with
     exposed
     >beams and skylights,
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  right in the middle of downtown Palo Alto. It's
     like walking
     >into a time
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  machine.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  They have a jillion parts from every kind of
     gauge you can
     >imagine.
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >
     >A  A  >A  A  A  A  Mike
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