[DeTomaso] Pantera for sale in my backyard!
Mike Drew
mikeldrew at aol.com
Tue May 1 14:55:51 EDT 2018
Stupid link got stripped away....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiO4OT4l-XaAhVr2oMKHVMFD0kQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbarnfinds.com%2Fseller-submission-1983-longchamp-gts%2F&psig=AOvVaw3mk0Law_ZK3rCr7P8xXJU4&ust=1525287250561075
That's a hugely long link, sorry about that. If you Google "De Tomaso Longchamp Interior" and do an image search you will see numerous variations on the Longchamp steering wheel. But the one I saw in the Pantera yesterday is not any of them. :<(
Mike
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: willibillie <willibillie at live.de>; detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tue, May 1, 2018 11:50 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera for sale in my backyard!
Ah, this is the wheel I was thinking of:
See the source image
My mistake!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Roland <willibillie at live.de>
To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tue, May 1, 2018 11:28 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera for sale in my backyard!
Whatever steering wheel it is, this is for sure NOT a Longchamp
steering wheel. It looks more like some kind of MOMO steering wheel.
Am 01.05.2018 um 18:09 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
All,
I was shocked to learn that there was a Pantera for sale on Ebay
located just a few miles from my house in Vacaville, CA. I was even
more surprised to discover that the seller had TWO Panteras in his
garage! I drove over there yesterday afternoon for a brief look.
Randy Brinsky buys and sells cars for a hobby, and has a large workshop
on his property, with a variety of Mustangs, Porsche 911s, and Jaguar
E-types. He bought these two Panteras as part of a lot of seven cars.
One of them is a running, driving car and the other was dismantled and
painted 20 years ago, and never assembled again, so it will be a
springtime project for him.
Here is the link for the car for sale:
[1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Other-Pantera/26363082814
1
It is a late Pre-L Pantera #4123, that the previous owner grafted an
L-model front bumper onto, grafting the turn signals to the underside
of the bumper somehow. The original Pre-L rear bumperettes are still
installed.
As the car is at the end of a dirt road and is in spotless condition, I
wasn't able to take it for a drive, and my inspection was relatively
quick. Still, I was able to get some good impressions of it.
The car has been repainted, in a rather more attractive shade of
Ferrari/resale red. Apparently no Marti report can be had for it,
because they have no records of the car, which would suggest that
perhaps it was a Euro import (and perhaps that is why/how the bumper
got added, when it was gray-market imported). However, there are no
immediately overt signs of Euro-ness such as a European importer plaque
in the front trunk, or in the passenger doorjamb. I am somewhat
inclined to believe that there was a misunderstanding by the Marti
people during the attempt to secure the Marti report. However, there
are a couple of details that could support the argument that it was
originally a European car. It has Euro taillights (which is common
here), but oddly, it has a Longchamp steering wheel! Those don't
exactly grow on trees over here--in fact I've never seen one in a
Pantera before.
Be that as it may, the car is the important thing.
The paint job looks nice from a distance, but does have a bit of
orangepeel in places (I noticed it particularly on the rear panel). I
don't claim to be a paint expert, so it's possible it would respond
favorably to a cut and buff, but as it is, it falls squarely into the
'very nice driver' category, which is no bad thing. The trim has been
blacked out as well.
Oddly the chrome trim is missing from the windshield. The stock gasket
is present but the trim has gone missing, an expensive thing to
rectify. (It's also missing the fiberglass trunk, spare and tool kit,
all of which are pretty spendy items, either to purchase, or to ship).
When I arrived to inspect the car, it was up on a lift, making the
inspection very easy. The chassis seems absolutely rock-solid,
although the needed drain holes are missing from the lower
wheelhouses. It doesn't seem to have suffered any owner abuse either.
I did spot a bit of bubbling at the bottom of the B-pillars, which is
one of the first places rust starts to appear, but the traditional
spots such as the forward bottom corner of the LH quarter panel, the
rockers, or the rear bottom corner of both front fenders, seem absent
of any corrosion, a thoroughly good thing.
The suspension has been upgraded slightly, with poly A-arm bushings and
QA1 shocks and springs. Both rear axles/bearings were very nice and
tight, and the steering rack appears to have been rebuilt as well, as
it was devoid of any unwanted (and typically seen) play.
It has stock front and rear swaybars; in the rear they have been fitted
with aluminum brackets, but oddly the forwardmost bolts were missing on
the A-arm brackets (likely rectified by now). The De Tomaso logos are
missing from the center of the inboard brackets.
Driveshafts are stock as well, and appear to be in good nick.
It has stock brakes with unknown pads; the only modification seems to
be a Wilwood master cylinder. The rear A-arms and rear swaybar have
been painted a silver-gray color.
I did notice something odd about the shocks. The front spring rate is
considerably higher than the rear spring rate, but the springs
themselves are shorter (10 inches vs. 12 at the rear). So, is a 400 lb
10-inch spring stiffer than a 300 lb 12-inch spring? Yes, I believe it
is, so it's possible that the previous owner accidently fitted the
front shocks to the rear and vice-versa, which is easily rectified.
It has four matching stock wheels and BFG tires (I forgot to check the
sizes, but they appeared to be reasonable).
We then lowered the car and I got to peer in the engine bay.
The engine is the original number-matching block, but sounds rather
healthy. It's far from radical, but the exhaust note suggests that it
is in good health, perhaps with a slightly better camshaft. There are
no details about what is inside, but the Edelbrock Performer 4V intake
and economy Holley carb suggest a comparatively mild state of tune
(don't be expecting a 600 horsepower stroker in here). It has a chrome
stock-style oil pan, and Hall Pantera exhaust system (ill-fitting at
the rear, with the right side drooping as often is the case).
The cooling system has seen some attention. It has a Fluidyne radiator
tilted forward, with sucker fans. I didn't look closely at the water
pipes but I suspect they are original. The stock pressure tank has
been fitted with a pressure gauge where the stock temp sender normally
goes, which suggests that the sender has (properly) been relocated to
the front of the engine. (There is also an additional mechanical water
temp gauge grafted to the underside of the roof, visible in the rear
view mirror). The stock overflow tank has been replaced with a strange
and ugly plastic bottle.
The interior is largely stock, apart from a thicker aftermarket shift
gate, and a Longchamp steering wheel. Oddly, it is equipped with 1971
seats with the vertical ribbing, meaning that it will offer greater
headroom at the expense of comfort, perhaps a good thing for a taller
driver.
There are terrible gauges or holes hacked in the dash; the window
switches are new, and a non-standard cover fills the hole where the
radio might have been at one time. There are large rectangular speaker
grilles on the doorpanels.
There is a dash mat covering the dash; this normally hides sins on a
later plastic one-pod dash, but the two-pod dashes like this one are
normally in pretty good shape. I forgot to peek underneath it but I
would anticipate that it would have the later TSB modifications which
were incorporated into the later cars, consisting of a narrow metal
strip between the two defroster vents to keep the material from lifting
away from the dash.
That's about all I can tell you, because I was unable to drive the car,
and the seller had to dash off to pick up yet another car in
Sacramento. We didn't run the car long enough for me to learn if it
suffered from overheating; given the quality radiator and fans, if it
did overheat it would probably be caused by the fitment of a Windsor
thermostat instead of the proper Cleveland unit. However the seller
indicated that the car was entirely well-behaved and I have no reason
to doubt it. He also said that 'everything works' but I was unable to
test function of windows, headlights, turn signals, brake lights etc.
All of that is minor stuff.
So, what's it worth? Well, the fact that it's a very solid California
car automatically imparts increased value over a car from some other
part of the country, and it appears to need little in the way of rust
repair. The bubbling B-pillars could probably safely be ignored for
quite some time, but if the car was ever stripped for paint, of course
one would want to give them some attention.
The kluged-in front bumper arrangement is a bit disappointing; there
would need to be some money spent to return the car to its proper Pre-L
configuration, both for the purchase of the bumperettes (the existing
turn signals have scruffy chrome but would probably look fine painted
black and installed in blacked-out bumperettes) and the filling of the
big holes in the front of the body necessary for attaching the L-model
bumper. (I confess I forgot to check to see if those body mounts were
installed; it's quite possible that the bumper is just secured with
nuts on the small-diameter studs which would make the repair much
easier).
The engine sounds healthy enough, but is otherwise unremarkable. It
has stock valve covers painted black and fitted with De Tomaso plaques;
the stock air cleaner has been replaced by a standard
Mustang/Mercury/Whatever unit, but it does the job.
The exhaust system is vile, but that's a personal bias of mine. :>)
The interior is in good shape overall, with a nick on one of the
armrests, and missing plugs for the armrests. The '71 seats are a
feature for some people, but are clearly 'wrong' on a late '72 Pre-L if
one is a purist.
The missing trunk is a big, and likely expensive bummer. There was no
engine screen present and I suspect that is missing as well, but at
least the two side pieces are there. This car would have come with a
late Pre-L engine cover, with a raised solid center section, and those
are quite hard to find.
So, assuming that the car runs and drives as good as it looks, and that
everything does in fact work, it represents a solid investment as a
driver, one that would benefit from just a little bit of work to be
fully enjoyable. I normally have a pretty fine window of my perceived
financial value, but in this case it's pretty broad, somewhere between
$70-85k, with that wide spread down to whether or not a potential buyer
cares about the things that are missing or 'wrong' on the car, such as
the trunk, engine screen, windshield trim, and front bumper
arrangement. Some buyers might overlook those obvious flaws and be
willing to pay top dollar because the car is so structurally solid,
while others may insist on a COMPLETE Pantera, and factor in the cost
of procuring and installing all those missing parts when making their
offer.
Personally, I'm just excited to have a Pantera playmate virtually in my
back yard, and I look forward to helping him get his other car #4800
back on the road. He's already bought a huge pile of parts for it, and
the engine has been rebuilt locally, so it's going to be a case of
'some assembly required'. Hopefully he will be able to sell #4123 to
help fund the completion of that project. :>)
For more information, you can contact Randy at
[2][2]mustangs at mustangs4.com
or (916) 996-9008.
Happy bidding!
Mike
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Stupid link got stripped away....
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2
ahUKEwiO4OT4l-XaAhVr2oMKHVMFD0kQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbarnfinds
.com%2Fseller-submission-1983-longchamp-gts%2F&psig=AOvVaw3mk0Law_ZK3rC
r7P8xXJU4&ust=1525287250561075
That's a hugely long link, sorry about that. If you Google "De Tomaso
Longchamp Interior" and do an image search you will see numerous
variations on the Longchamp steering wheel. But the one I saw in the
Pantera yesterday is not any of them. :<(
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: willibillie <willibillie at live.de>; detomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tue, May 1, 2018 11:50 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera for sale in my backyard!
Ah, this is the wheel I was thinking of:
See the source image
My mistake!
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Roland <[1]willibillie at live.de>
To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tue, May 1, 2018 11:28 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera for sale in my backyard!
Whatever steering wheel it is, this is for sure NOT a Longchamp
steering wheel. It looks more like some kind of MOMO steering wheel.
Am 01.05.2018 um 18:09 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
All,
I was shocked to learn that there was a Pantera for sale on Ebay
located just a few miles from my house in Vacaville, CA. I was even
more surprised to discover that the seller had TWO Panteras in his
garage! I drove over there yesterday afternoon for a brief look.
Randy Brinsky buys and sells cars for a hobby, and has a large workshop
on his property, with a variety of Mustangs, Porsche 911s, and Jaguar
E-types. He bought these two Panteras as part of a lot of seven cars.
One of them is a running, driving car and the other was dismantled and
painted 20 years ago, and never assembled again, so it will be a
springtime project for him.
Here is the link for the car for sale:
[1][1][3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Other-Pantera/26363082
814
1
It is a late Pre-L Pantera #4123, that the previous owner grafted an
L-model front bumper onto, grafting the turn signals to the underside
of the bumper somehow. The original Pre-L rear bumperettes are still
installed.
As the car is at the end of a dirt road and is in spotless condition, I
wasn't able to take it for a drive, and my inspection was relatively
quick. Still, I was able to get some good impressions of it.
The car has been repainted, in a rather more attractive shade of
Ferrari/resale red. Apparently no Marti report can be had for it,
because they have no records of the car, which would suggest that
perhaps it was a Euro import (and perhaps that is why/how the bumper
got added, when it was gray-market imported). However, there are no
immediately overt signs of Euro-ness such as a European importer plaque
in the front trunk, or in the passenger doorjamb. I am somewhat
inclined to believe that there was a misunderstanding by the Marti
people during the attempt to secure the Marti report. However, there
are a couple of details that could support the argument that it was
originally a European car. It has Euro taillights (which is common
here), but oddly, it has a Longchamp steering wheel! Those don't
exactly grow on trees over here--in fact I've never seen one in a
Pantera before.
Be that as it may, the car is the important thing.
The paint job looks nice from a distance, but does have a bit of
orangepeel in places (I noticed it particularly on the rear panel). I
don't claim to be a paint expert, so it's possible it would respond
favorably to a cut and buff, but as it is, it falls squarely into the
'very nice driver' category, which is no bad thing. The trim has been
blacked out as well.
Oddly the chrome trim is missing from the windshield. The stock gasket
is present but the trim has gone missing, an expensive thing to
rectify. (It's also missing the fiberglass trunk, spare and tool kit,
all of which are pretty spendy items, either to purchase, or to ship).
When I arrived to inspect the car, it was up on a lift, making the
inspection very easy. The chassis seems absolutely rock-solid,
although the needed drain holes are missing from the lower
wheelhouses. It doesn't seem to have suffered any owner abuse either.
I did spot a bit of bubbling at the bottom of the B-pillars, which is
one of the first places rust starts to appear, but the traditional
spots such as the forward bottom corner of the LH quarter panel, the
rockers, or the rear bottom corner of both front fenders, seem absent
of any corrosion, a thoroughly good thing.
The suspension has been upgraded slightly, with poly A-arm bushings and
QA1 shocks and springs. Both rear axles/bearings were very nice and
tight, and the steering rack appears to have been rebuilt as well, as
it was devoid of any unwanted (and typically seen) play.
It has stock front and rear swaybars; in the rear they have been fitted
with aluminum brackets, but oddly the forwardmost bolts were missing on
the A-arm brackets (likely rectified by now). The De Tomaso logos are
missing from the center of the inboard brackets.
Driveshafts are stock as well, and appear to be in good nick.
It has stock brakes with unknown pads; the only modification seems to
be a Wilwood master cylinder. The rear A-arms and rear swaybar have
been painted a silver-gray color.
I did notice something odd about the shocks. The front spring rate is
considerably higher than the rear spring rate, but the springs
themselves are shorter (10 inches vs. 12 at the rear). So, is a 400 lb
10-inch spring stiffer than a 300 lb 12-inch spring? Yes, I believe it
is, so it's possible that the previous owner accidently fitted the
front shocks to the rear and vice-versa, which is easily rectified.
It has four matching stock wheels and BFG tires (I forgot to check the
sizes, but they appeared to be reasonable).
We then lowered the car and I got to peer in the engine bay.
The engine is the original number-matching block, but sounds rather
healthy. It's far from radical, but the exhaust note suggests that it
is in good health, perhaps with a slightly better camshaft. There are
no details about what is inside, but the Edelbrock Performer 4V intake
and economy Holley carb suggest a comparatively mild state of tune
(don't be expecting a 600 horsepower stroker in here). It has a chrome
stock-style oil pan, and Hall Pantera exhaust system (ill-fitting at
the rear, with the right side drooping as often is the case).
The cooling system has seen some attention. It has a Fluidyne radiator
tilted forward, with sucker fans. I didn't look closely at the water
pipes but I suspect they are original. The stock pressure tank has
been fitted with a pressure gauge where the stock temp sender normally
goes, which suggests that the sender has (properly) been relocated to
the front of the engine. (There is also an additional mechanical water
temp gauge grafted to the underside of the roof, visible in the rear
view mirror). The stock overflow tank has been replaced with a strange
and ugly plastic bottle.
The interior is largely stock, apart from a thicker aftermarket shift
gate, and a Longchamp steering wheel. Oddly, it is equipped with 1971
seats with the vertical ribbing, meaning that it will offer greater
headroom at the expense of comfort, perhaps a good thing for a taller
driver.
There are terrible gauges or holes hacked in the dash; the window
switches are new, and a non-standard cover fills the hole where the
radio might have been at one time. There are large rectangular speaker
grilles on the doorpanels.
There is a dash mat covering the dash; this normally hides sins on a
later plastic one-pod dash, but the two-pod dashes like this one are
normally in pretty good shape. I forgot to peek underneath it but I
would anticipate that it would have the later TSB modifications which
were incorporated into the later cars, consisting of a narrow metal
strip between the two defroster vents to keep the material from lifting
away from the dash.
That's about all I can tell you, because I was unable to drive the car,
and the seller had to dash off to pick up yet another car in
Sacramento. We didn't run the car long enough for me to learn if it
suffered from overheating; given the quality radiator and fans, if it
did overheat it would probably be caused by the fitment of a Windsor
thermostat instead of the proper Cleveland unit. However the seller
indicated that the car was entirely well-behaved and I have no reason
to doubt it. He also said that 'everything works' but I was unable to
test function of windows, headlights, turn signals, brake lights etc.
All of that is minor stuff.
So, what's it worth? Well, the fact that it's a very solid California
car automatically imparts increased value over a car from some other
part of the country, and it appears to need little in the way of rust
repair. The bubbling B-pillars could probably safely be ignored for
quite some time, but if the car was ever stripped for paint, of course
one would want to give them some attention.
The kluged-in front bumper arrangement is a bit disappointing; there
would need to be some money spent to return the car to its proper Pre-L
configuration, both for the purchase of the bumperettes (the existing
turn signals have scruffy chrome but would probably look fine painted
black and installed in blacked-out bumperettes) and the filling of the
big holes in the front of the body necessary for attaching the L-model
bumper. (I confess I forgot to check to see if those body mounts were
installed; it's quite possible that the bumper is just secured with
nuts on the small-diameter studs which would make the repair much
easier).
The engine sounds healthy enough, but is otherwise unremarkable. It
has stock valve covers painted black and fitted with De Tomaso plaques;
the stock air cleaner has been replaced by a standard
Mustang/Mercury/Whatever unit, but it does the job.
The exhaust system is vile, but that's a personal bias of mine. :>)
The interior is in good shape overall, with a nick on one of the
armrests, and missing plugs for the armrests. The '71 seats are a
feature for some people, but are clearly 'wrong' on a late '72 Pre-L if
one is a purist.
The missing trunk is a big, and likely expensive bummer. There was no
engine screen present and I suspect that is missing as well, but at
least the two side pieces are there. This car would have come with a
late Pre-L engine cover, with a raised solid center section, and those
are quite hard to find.
So, assuming that the car runs and drives as good as it looks, and that
everything does in fact work, it represents a solid investment as a
driver, one that would benefit from just a little bit of work to be
fully enjoyable. I normally have a pretty fine window of my perceived
financial value, but in this case it's pretty broad, somewhere between
$70-85k, with that wide spread down to whether or not a potential buyer
cares about the things that are missing or 'wrong' on the car, such as
the trunk, engine screen, windshield trim, and front bumper
arrangement. Some buyers might overlook those obvious flaws and be
willing to pay top dollar because the car is so structurally solid,
while others may insist on a COMPLETE Pantera, and factor in the cost
of procuring and installing all those missing parts when making their
offer.
Personally, I'm just excited to have a Pantera playmate virtually in my
back yard, and I look forward to helping him get his other car #4800
back on the road. He's already bought a huge pile of parts for it, and
the engine has been rebuilt locally, so it's going to be a case of
'some assembly required'. Hopefully he will be able to sell #4123 to
help fund the completion of that project. :>)
For more information, you can contact Randy at
[2][2][4]mustangs at mustangs4.com
or (916) 996-9008.
Happy bidding!
Mike
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