[DeTomaso] Camber locks? degrees of camber per rotation
Larry Stock
larrys at panteraparts.com
Mon Mar 5 12:14:44 EST 2018
We also have Shaved Upper Ball Joints for increased Caster adjustment,
Larry
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, March 5, 2018 at 8:50 AM
To: Chuck and Linda Huber <lindahuber at cox.net>, Larry Stock
<Larrys at PanteraParts.com>, "jderyke at aol.com" <jderyke at aol.com>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks? degrees of camber per rotation
Probably easy to figure out based on the separation of the ball joints and
threads per inch, but has anyone already done the math as a sanity check?
Ken
From: Chuck and Linda Huber <lindahuber at cox.net>
To: 'Larry Stock' <larrys at panteraparts.com>; jderyke at aol.com;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks?
Larry's kit looks super cool. The picture seems to be missing the shims on
the adjuster side (but I am sure it's a "demonstration photo", and not the
actual configuration).
POCA members can find a description of how to fabricate a custom camber lock
in the August 2017 Issue of the POCA Newsletter.
Remember: Time is money. Your own fab capability, and value you place on
your own labor determines the best path.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Stock [mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: jderyke at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks?
They really help set the camber as your tightening the bolts. The camber
will change with the tighting torque on the bolt. This drives the alignment
guy crazy since they actually need to set the camber by torque compensation
and stop tighting when the camber hits the correct setting point. That might
be why it might shift while driving since the tech may get frustrated
adjusting and just not torque the bolts as tight as they should. We make
our own Camber Lock kits right here in Carson City NV. PN 02002P PPC Camber
Lock Kit $149.00 Larry @ 1-800-DeTomaso (338-6627)
On 3/3/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Camber locks are not necessary if you NEVER, EVER hit curbs, potholes
> or road debris with the front tires. If you can arrange that and still
> drive your car, please let us know what country you're living in!
> FACT: the stock upper ball joint bolts CANNOT be sufficiently tightened
> to keep the ball joints from shifting with hard impacts. There are
> several ways to fix this and the solutions are all called 'camber
> locks'.
> Note also, really hard impacts off-center to one front wheel will also
> damage many other things besides camber settings. I've fixed bent front
> spindles, a-arms, wheels and steering racks for inattentive drivers.
> J DeRyke
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
> To: DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sat, Mar 3, 2018 11:30 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks?
> The ones made by IPSCO make adjusting camber much easier as you can
> control the amount of movement with the threaded lock bolt as opposed
> to trying to slide the upper ball joint a given amount.
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: Ken Green <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Forum
> <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks?
> Ken,
> It's not unusual for a vendor who doesn't sell something to tell you
> that you don't need it.
> Those who have it available, on the other hand, can and will explain
> its virtues in depth and likely say you can't live without it.
> I highly recommend them.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Mar 3, 2018, at 09:56, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[1][4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > I heard in the past that the camber can slip if you hit a bump
> hard
> > enough, but just called a vendor who said they don't sell camber
> lock
> > kits because they are not needed.
> > Any experience?
> > Thanks
> > Ken
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We also have Shaved Upper Ball Joints for increased Caster adjustment,
Larry
From: Ken Green <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Ken Green <[2]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, March 5, 2018 at 8:50 AM
To: Chuck and Linda Huber <[3]lindahuber at cox.net>, Larry Stock
<[4]Larrys at PanteraParts.com>, "[5]jderyke at aol.com"
<[6]jderyke at aol.com>, "[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks? degrees of camber per rotation
Probably easy to figure out based on the separation of the ball joints
and threads per inch, but has anyone already done the math as a sanity
check?
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Chuck and Linda Huber <[9]lindahuber at cox.net>
To: 'Larry Stock' <[10]larrys at panteraparts.com>; [11]jderyke at aol.com;
[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks?
Larry's kit looks super cool. The picture seems to be missing the
shims on
the adjuster side (but I am sure it's a "demonstration photo", and not
the
actual configuration).
POCA members can find a description of how to fabricate a custom camber
lock
in the August 2017 Issue of the POCA Newsletter.
Remember: Time is money. Your own fab capability, and value you place
on
your own labor determines the best path.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Stock [mailto:[13]larrys at panteraparts.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 6:29 PM
To: [14]jderyke at aol.com; [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks?
They really help set the camber as your tightening the bolts. The
camber
will change with the tighting torque on the bolt. This drives the
alignment
guy crazy since they actually need to set the camber by torque
compensation
and stop tighting when the camber hits the correct setting point. That
might
be why it might shift while driving since the tech may get frustrated
adjusting and just not torque the bolts as tight as they should. We
make
our own Camber Lock kits right here in Carson City NV. PN 02002P PPC
Camber
Lock Kit $149.00 Larry @ 1-800-DeTomaso (338-6627)
On 3/3/18, 12:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
<[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[17]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Camber locks are not necessary if you NEVER, EVER hit curbs,
potholes
> or road debris with the front tires. If you can arrange that and
still
> drive your car, please let us know what country you're living in!
> FACT: the stock upper ball joint bolts CANNOT be sufficiently
tightened
> to keep the ball joints from shifting with hard impacts. There are
> several ways to fix this and the solutions are all called 'camber
> locks'.
> Note also, really hard impacts off-center to one front wheel will
also
> damage many other things besides camber settings. I've fixed bent
front
> spindles, a-arms, wheels and steering racks for inattentive drivers.
> J DeRyke
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forest Goodhart <[18]forestg at att.net>
> To: DeTomaso Forum <[19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sat, Mar 3, 2018 11:30 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks?
> The ones made by IPSCO make adjusting camber much easier as you can
> control the amount of movement with the threaded lock bolt as
opposed
> to trying to slide the upper ball joint a given amount.
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[1][20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> To: Ken Green <[2][21]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Forum
> <[3][22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Camber locks?
> Ken,
> It's not unusual for a vendor who doesn't sell something to tell you
> that you don't need it.
> Those who have it available, on the other hand, can and will explain
> its virtues in depth and likely say you can't live without it.
> I highly recommend them.
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Mar 3, 2018, at 09:56, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[1][4][23]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > I heard in the past that the camber can slip if you hit a bump
> hard
> > enough, but just called a vendor who said they don't sell camber
> lock
> > kits because they are not needed.
> > Any experience?
> > Thanks
> > Ken
> > _______________________________________________
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