[DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing marks

jderyke at aol.com jderyke at aol.com
Thu Jun 28 16:56:37 EDT 2018


This works best on production bell housings with a single big opening. Early pushbutton bellhousings for dash 1.5 ZFs have two small openings that are oriented differently.
Note that ALL 351-Cs can be timed off #8 cylinder- not necessary to jump thru hoops to get a piston stop in the far less acccessible #1 cylinder. But if you do NOt use #1 cylinder, its an excellent ideal to so mark the bell housing for the next mechanic that tries to time the engine.

You should have no problem with a piston stop tool (spring-loaded or solid) to find TDC unless you turn the motor over with too much vigor and ram the piston into the protruding tool. Done too hard, this has cracked cast pistons.  By removing ALL the spark plugs and using a sparkplug screw-in tool that's vented, the engine should turn over easily, allowing one to edge up to TDC slowly. NEVER use the starter to turn the motor over! The other thing that causes trouble occasionally is, there are several different styles of timing pointers used as-stock on the block front, and the one on our 1972-1/2 OEM block had no pointer at all. Instead, it had a circular holder for a Ford Service Dept tool-set that accepts an electronic sensor to read TDC. For DIY, this is useless. Fortunately, all 3 pointers interchange on most or all 351-Cs.

Random fact: a slipped harmonic balencer rim will always go toward Retard, and I have several that have moved- one is slightly more than 180 degrees out! A slipped balancer is dangerous to use, because it means the 2 lb outer ring has broken free and can (and has!) spun off with the engine running. I've heard of one owner that had a loose ring hit the ground, bounce back up against the pan and take off the drain plug, with predictably sad results. I believe someone on the Forum once had an old balancer ring move backwards and contact the pan, quickly wearing a slot thru the thin steel so the engine then had a seroius oil leak.
J DeRyke


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: 'List DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing marks


I like the idea of marking the flywheel and bell housing as others have
done.
Iv'e found the TDC finding tools, be it a dial gauge or spring loaded
device screwed into the spark plug hole are difficult to use if the
spark plug is not nearly perpendicular to the top of the piston like a
hemi-head. For those that have done this on the 351c, did you have
difficulty getting the device to not bind?
On Thursday, June 28, 2018, 11:13:34 AM PDT, George B
<gkb1968 at hotmail.com> wrote:
I just found TDC with a dial indicator (could use a cheap stopper
tool
that threads in the sparkplug hole) and used a sharpie marker to mark
the flywheel to bell housing at TDC in inspection cover area. Then
just
use a timing light that you can dial in degrees of delay or advance
(very inexpensive these days). That method worked very well for me
over the last 15years.
George
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
marks
Can the flywheel be marked with it out so it will line up with the
bell
housing window, So I could tell engine builder to have it marked?
(I am not familiar even if the flywheel has to indexed to the crank)
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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:17 AM
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[5]gggraup at comcast.net; Chuck and Linda Huber
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
marks
Dennis,
Very true. No Fords had timing marks on the flywheel. It would be
impossible to see on anything but a Pantera.
Mike
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> On Jun 28, 2018, at 01:23, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> My car #7260, is a very late 1974. I've hooked up the timing light
and
> pointed it at the flywheel through the bell housing access hole
hoping
> to see some marks and did not see any. Based on this, I don't
think
> they came with marks on the flywheel. For those that have them,
they
> were probably added.
> On Monday, June 25, 2018, 7:48:40 PM PDT, Chuck and Linda Huber
> <[7]lindahuber at cox.net> wrote:
> My car has the timing marks on the flywheel.
> You can just mill them on a rotary table. Much easier access for
quick
> timing checks, and they won't slip.
> Chuck
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. -
timing
> marks
> Checking and changing the belts is more often than setting the
timing.
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> Betreff: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. -
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> marks
> Not to mention avoiding the need to pull the seat, firewall cover
and
> access
> cover to set the timing . . .
> Thanks Thomas
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. -
timing
> marks
> Late cars have timing marks on the flywheel. Not sure if that can
be
> added
> to early cars, but that is much safer than the damper.
> /Thomas
>> 24 juni 2018 kl. 19:39 skrev Larry Stock
> <[15][22]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
>>
>> The damper has probably de-bonded and has rotted out of its
balance
>> position.
>> Coming through Seattle from Bremerton via ferry today.
>> Larry
>>
>> On 6/24/18, 9:53 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike & Elizabeth
Thomas"
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>>> One of our PNW members from Spokane has run into some challenges
>>> with the timing marks on his Cleveland. Thought I'd pass it to
the
>>> forum for some Sunday discussion. Thanks in advance, this is
what
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>>>
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>>> Subject: Pantera Question for you guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Mike; Hope you are well. Got a question for you . On my
>>> Pantera, which is a 71, I find that when I bring number 1
> cylinder
>>> up to top dead center and use the mark on the damper as a guide,
> its
>>> not even close to accurate. Inches off....... So I scribed a
new
>>> mark that I use. I have no way of knowing, but I suspect it
was
> mis
>>> marked or maybe a damper off a different car. The only thing
I
>>> can figure out otherwise is that possibly the metal pointer is
in
>>> the wrong spot on the engine., although it doesn't appear it
could
> go
>>> anywhere else on the front of the engine. Any ideas on this?
>>> Gary Graupner.
>>>
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   This works best on production bell housings with a single big opening.
   Early pushbutton bellhousings for dash 1.5 ZFs have two small openings
   that are oriented differently.
   Note that ALL 351-Cs can be timed off #8 cylinder- not necessary to
   jump thru hoops to get a piston stop in the far less acccessible #1
   cylinder. But if you do NOt use #1 cylinder, its an excellent ideal to
   so mark the bell housing for the next mechanic that tries to time the
   engine.
   You should have no problem with a piston stop tool (spring-loaded or
   solid) to find TDC unless you turn the motor over with too much vigor
   and ram the piston into the protruding tool. Done too hard, this has
   cracked cast pistons.  By removing ALL the spark plugs and using a
   sparkplug screw-in tool that's vented, the engine should turn over
   easily, allowing one to edge up to TDC slowly. NEVER use the starter to
   turn the motor over! The other thing that causes trouble occasionally
   is, there are several different styles of timing pointers used as-stock
   on the block front, and the one on our 1972-1/2 OEM block had no
   pointer at all. Instead, it had a circular holder for a Ford Service
   Dept tool-set that accepts an electronic sensor to read TDC. For DIY,
   this is useless. Fortunately, all 3 pointers interchange on most or all
   351-Cs.
   Random fact: a slipped harmonic balencer rim will always go toward
   Retard, and I have several that have moved- one is slightly more than
   180 degrees out! A slipped balancer is dangerous to use, because it
   means the 2 lb outer ring has broken free and can (and has!) spun off
   with the engine running. I've heard of one owner that had a loose ring
   hit the ground, bounce back up against the pan and take off the drain
   plug, with predictably sad results. I believe someone on the Forum once
   had an old balancer ring move backwards and contact the pan, quickly
   wearing a slot thru the thin steel so the engine then had a seroius oil
   leak.
   J DeRyke
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   To: 'List DeTomaso Forum' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Joseph F.
   Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
   Sent: Thu, Jun 28, 2018 11:51 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
   marks
   I like the idea of marking the flywheel and bell housing as others have
   done.
   Iv'e found the TDC finding tools, be it a dial gauge or spring loaded
   device screwed into the spark plug hole are difficult to use if the
   spark plug is not nearly perpendicular to the top of the piston like a
   hemi-head. For those that have done this on the 351c, did you have
   difficulty getting the device to not bind?
   On Thursday, June 28, 2018, 11:13:34 AM PDT, George B
   <[1]gkb1968 at hotmail.com> wrote:
   I just found TDC with a dial indicator (could use a cheap stopper
   tool
   that threads in the sparkplug hole) and used a sharpie marker to mark
   the flywheel to bell housing at TDC in inspection cover area. Then
   just
   use a timing light that you can dial in degrees of delay or advance
   (very inexpensive these days). That method worked very well for me
   over the last 15years.
   George
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[2]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[2][3]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:27:46 AM
   To: 'List DeTomaso Forum'
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
   marks
   Can the flywheel be marked with it out so it will line up with the
   bell
   housing window, So I could tell engine builder to have it marked?
   (I am not familiar even if the flywheel has to indexed to the crank)
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso
   [[1][4]mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 6:17 AM
   To: Dennis Valdez
   Cc: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas; [4][5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
   [5][6]gggraup at comcast.net; Chuck and Linda Huber
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. - timing
   marks
   Dennis,
   Very true. No Fords had timing marks on the flywheel. It would be
   impossible to see on anything but a Pantera.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Jun 28, 2018, at 01:23, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
   <[6][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   > My car #7260, is a very late 1974. I've hooked up the timing light
   and
   > pointed it at the flywheel through the bell housing access hole
   hoping
   > to see some marks and did not see any. Based on this, I don't
   think
   > they came with marks on the flywheel. For those that have them,
   they
   > were probably added.
   > On Monday, June 25, 2018, 7:48:40 PM PDT, Chuck and Linda Huber
   > <[7][8]lindahuber at cox.net> wrote:
   > My car has the timing marks on the flywheel.
   > You can just mill them on a rotary table. Much easier access for
   quick
   > timing checks, and they won't slip.
   > Chuck
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Roland [[2][9]mailto:[1][8]willibillie at live.de]
   > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:12 PM
   > To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas; 'Thomas TAP:rnblom'; 'Larry Stock'
   > Cc: [2][9][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
   [3][10][11]gggraup at comcast.net
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. -
   timing
   > marks
   > Checking and changing the belts is more often than setting the
   timing.
   > ________________________________
   > Von: DeTomaso <[4][11]detomaso-[12]bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
   im
   Auftrag
   > von Mike
   > & Elizabeth Thomas <[5][12][13]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
   > Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Juni 2018 21:05
   > An: 'Thomas TAP:rnblom'; 'Larry Stock'
   > Cc: [6][13][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
   [7][14][15]gggraup at comcast.net
   > Betreff: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. -
   timing
   > marks
   > Not to mention avoiding the need to pull the seat, firewall cover
   and
   > access
   > cover to set the timing . . .
   > Thanks Thomas
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Thomas TAP:rnblom <[8][15][16]thomas at hax.se>
   > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:11 AM
   > To: Larry Stock <[9][16][17]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   > Cc: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[10][17][18]mbefthomas at comcast.net>;
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   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: Pantera Question for you guys. -
   timing
   > marks
   > Late cars have timing marks on the flywheel. Not sure if that can
   be
   > added
   > to early cars, but that is much safer than the damper.
   > /Thomas
   >> 24 juni 2018 kl. 19:39 skrev Larry Stock
   > <[15][22][23]larrys at panteraparts.com>:
   >>
   >> The damper has probably de-bonded and has rotted out of its
   balance
   >> position.
   >> Coming through Seattle from Bremerton via ferry today.
   >> Larry
   >>
   >> On 6/24/18, 9:53 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike & Elizabeth
   Thomas"
   >> <[16][23]detomaso-[24]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   >> [17][24][25]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote:
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   >>> One of our PNW members from Spokane has run into some challenges
   >>> with the timing marks on his Cleveland. Thought I'd pass it to
   the
   >>> forum for some Sunday discussion. Thanks in advance, this is
   what
   >>> makes this group so great!
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> Mike Thomas
   >>>
   >>> Pres., Panteras Northwest
   >>>
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   >>> From: [18][25][27]gggraup at comcast.net
   <[19][26][28]gggraup at comcast.net>
   >>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 7:34 AM
   >>> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[20][27][29]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
   >>> Subject: Pantera Question for you guys.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>> Hi Mike; Hope you are well. Got a question for you . On my
   >>> Pantera, which is a 71, I find that when I bring number 1
   > cylinder
   >>> up to top dead center and use the mark on the damper as a guide,
   > its
   >>> not even close to accurate. Inches off....... So I scribed a
   new
   >>> mark that I use. I have no way of knowing, but I suspect it
   was
   > mis
   >>> marked or maybe a damper off a different car. The only thing
   I
   >>> can figure out otherwise is that possibly the metal pointer is
   in
   >>> the wrong spot on the engine., although it doesn't appear it
   could
   > go
   >>> anywhere else on the front of the engine. Any ideas on this?
   >>> Gary Graupner.
   >>>
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 126. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
 127. mailto:lindahuber at cox.net?
 128. mailto:willibillie at live.de?
 129. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
 130. mailto:gggraup at comcast.net?
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 135. mailto:thomas at hax.se?
 136. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com?
 137. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
 138. mailto:doug351c at gmail.com?
 139. mailto:jgkrenton at comcast.net?
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 144. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
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 158. mailto:willibillie at live.de?
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 165. mailto:thomas at hax.se?
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 167. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
 168. mailto:doug351c at gmail.com?
 169. mailto:jgkrenton at comcast.net?
 170. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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 208. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
 209. mailto:doug351c at gmail.com?
 210. mailto:jgkrenton at comcast.net?
 211. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
 212. mailto:gggraup at comcast.net?
 213. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com?
 214. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com?
 215. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net?
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 236. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
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