[DeTomaso] suggestion re: vibration
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Mon Jun 25 17:35:09 EDT 2018
Interesting last paragraph as I have always thought this to be the holy grail of a CV axle upgrade.
Is there a significant weight difference between the old (adapter) and new style (no adapter)?
Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of scott at saccrestorations.net <scott at saccrestorations.net>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 2:19 PM
To: 'Christer Eriksson'; 'Thomas Törnblom'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] suggestion re: vibration
The current axles are the correct length. In fact, they have been for YEARS.
When we first started selling CV Axle assemblies we simply resold a unit made by another company. Yngve was one of our first customers. In fact, he discovered the issue and let us know.
After Yngve reported the issue, I attempted to install the other set I had on my Pantera and discovered the axles were indeed to long. When we brought up the issue to the maker of the CV Axle assembly they told us that they were fine and wouldn't listen to the fact that Yngve's and mine were too long. Since the company that made them didn't believe there was an issue, we stopped selling their setup and created our own kit. The company that made them wasn't a Pantera Vendor but for some reason, they thought they knew more about Pantera's than an actual owner and vendor.
I don't know where Thomas got his CV setup from or when it was but I don't show he ever purchased a set from SACC Restorations. The company that was selling the kit with the wrong length axles has a very similar name to SACC.
Anyway, long story short, our axles are custom made specifically for the Pantera. We do not buy "off the shelf off road axles" and then shorten them like some companies do. That is what was happening with the original axles because the shortest off-road axle was 20mm to long so they got shortened. SACC Restorations has been having custom Pantera Axles made for years now.
We also have a kit that doesn't use adaptor's that hasn't been announced yet. That kit comes with new 6 bolt CV Flanges for the Pantera Stub Axles and new 6 Bolt CV Output Shafts for the ZF.
Let me know if anyone has any questions.
Thanks, Scott
Scott Bell
SACC Restorations
951-461-2190
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Christer Eriksson
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 1:29 PM
To: Thomas Törnblom <thomas at hax.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] suggestion re: vibration
Thanks Thomas for the information, I’ll perhaps give you or Yngve a call when they arrive for further instructions😉
/Christer
mån 25 juni 2018 kl. 16:17 skrev Thomas Törnblom <thomas at hax.se>:
> You'll be happy with the CV shafts.
>
> I'm using SACC shafts and adapters and I haven't worried about the
> shafts in years. I can't remember how many U-joints I had to replace
> before I gave up on the stock shafts.
>
> The only issue I had with the SACC shafts was that they were slightly
> too long and I had to take them to a machine shop and cut 20 mm from
> each of the shafts and cut a new groove for the circlip. I think Yngve
> Pettersson had the same issue with his shafts.
>
> /Thomas
>
> Den 2018-06-25 kl. 15:38, skrev Christer Eriksson:
> > Dear forum, thanks for all your advice, you are awsome❤️ I’ve
> > ordered a pair of CV axle shafts from SACC restorations, hopefully
> this will solve the issue. I will also review the engine fittings to
> insure they are correct! I’ll give you feedback as soon they have
> arrived and put in place. Looking forward to some nice track days this
> summer without any
> issues😬
> >
> > Best regards Christer
> >
> > Skickat från min iPad
> >
> >> 24 juni 2018 kl. 22:57 skrev Roland <willibillie at live.de>:
> >>
> >> Good point. input and output must have the same angle. Input angle is
> >> always 0 degrees from the gearbox. Very, very seldom the rear axle is
> >> adjusted exact to 0 degrees. That causes lots of vibrations. Can be
> >> seen easily on damaged decklid corners. A swap to CV joints
> >> solves
> all
> >> these problems. I have never seen damaged decklid corners on CV joint
> >> driven Panteras. Vibrations eat power. A swap to CV joints are the
> >> cheapest HP on the wheels. SACC Restaurations have a nice set for a
> >> reasonable price.
> >>
> >> Roland Jaeckel
> >>
> >> Am 24.06.2018 um 22:38 schrieb Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.:
> >>
> >> Here is an youtube demstrating u joint jerking. Phasing is shown
> >> at
> 02:00
> >> [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmV4qwLfOMY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> >> On
> Behalf Of
> >> Christer Eriksson
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 16:21 PM
> >> To: Mike Drew
> >> Cc: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [4]laurieferrari at aol.com;
> [5]unnerstad.
> >> ekelundatgmail.com at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] suggestion re: vibration
> >>
> >> I have not disembeld the shafts but previous Owner may have? I
> >> belive
> this could
> >> be the issue and I guess I need to dig further into it. At the same
> time I will
> >> Inspect the Engine joints to be secure.
> >> Thanks for all your advice!
> >> Best regards Christer
> >>
> >> I would defenitly come back when the issue is solved!
> >>
> >> soen 24 juni 2018 kl. 06:29 skrev Mike Drew [6]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>:
> >>
> >>
> >> Christer,
> >>
> >> Did you dismantle the two halves of the driveshafts? If so, and you
> >> didn't get them assembled exactly as they had been before, you
> >> could have easily created an imbalance or out-of-phase condition.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 23, 2018, at 12:21, Christer Eriksson <
> >>
> >> [7]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The halfshaft should be individualy balanced, need to rebalance?
> >>
> >> Could it be that they need to be rotated 180 degrees=reclocked?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> lAP:r 23 juni 2018 kl. 18:50 skrev Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
> >> [8]<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
> >>
> >>
> >> Reliable source suggests you most likely need to reclock your half
> >>
> >> shafts!A Th
> >> ey are probably not clocked correctly.
> >> 23 juni 2018 kl. 16:28 skrev Christer Eriksson <[1]unnerstad.ekelund
> >> at [2]gmail.co
> >> m>:
> >>
> >> A A Dear forum,
> >>
> >> A A During acceleration Iave got heavy vibrations in my #2783,
> >>
> >> nothing
> >>
> >> A A during de-accelerating nor continious speed. So heavy that the
> >>
> >> rearview
> >>
> >> A A mirror turns....
> >>
> >> A A Any ideas would be welcome!
> >>
> >> A A Thanks ChristerA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> References
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Interesting last paragraph as I have always thought this to be the holy
grail of a CV axle upgrade.
Is there a significant weight difference between the old (adapter) and
new style (no adapter)?
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
scott at saccrestorations.net <scott at saccrestorations.net>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 2:19 PM
To: 'Christer Eriksson'; 'Thomas Toernblom'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] suggestion re: vibration
The current axles are the correct length. In fact, they have been for
YEARS.
When we first started selling CV Axle assemblies we simply resold a
unit made by another company. Yngve was one of our first customers. In
fact, he discovered the issue and let us know.
After Yngve reported the issue, I attempted to install the other set I
had on my Pantera and discovered the axles were indeed to long. When we
brought up the issue to the maker of the CV Axle assembly they told us
that they were fine and wouldn't listen to the fact that Yngve's and
mine were too long. Since the company that made them didn't believe
there was an issue, we stopped selling their setup and created our own
kit. The company that made them wasn't a Pantera Vendor but for some
reason, they thought they knew more about Pantera's than an actual
owner and vendor.
I don't know where Thomas got his CV setup from or when it was but I
don't show he ever purchased a set from SACC Restorations. The company
that was selling the kit with the wrong length axles has a very similar
name to SACC.
Anyway, long story short, our axles are custom made specifically for
the Pantera. We do not buy "off the shelf off road axles" and then
shorten them like some companies do. That is what was happening with
the original axles because the shortest off-road axle was 20mm to long
so they got shortened. SACC Restorations has been having custom Pantera
Axles made for years now.
We also have a kit that doesn't use adaptor's that hasn't been
announced yet. That kit comes with new 6 bolt CV Flanges for the
Pantera Stub Axles and new 6 Bolt CV Output Shafts for the ZF.
Let me know if anyone has any questions.
Thanks, Scott
Scott Bell
SACC Restorations
951-461-2190
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
Christer Eriksson
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 1:29 PM
To: Thomas Toernblom <thomas at hax.se>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] suggestion re: vibration
Thanks Thomas for the information, I'll perhaps give you or Yngve a
call when they arrive for further instructions
/Christer
maan 25 juni 2018 kl. 16:17 skrev Thomas Toernblom <thomas at hax.se>:
> You'll be happy with the CV shafts.
>
> I'm using SACC shafts and adapters and I haven't worried about the
> shafts in years. I can't remember how many U-joints I had to replace
> before I gave up on the stock shafts.
>
> The only issue I had with the SACC shafts was that they were slightly
> too long and I had to take them to a machine shop and cut 20 mm from
> each of the shafts and cut a new groove for the circlip. I think
Yngve
> Pettersson had the same issue with his shafts.
>
> /Thomas
>
> Den 2018-06-25 kl. 15:38, skrev Christer Eriksson:
> > Dear forum, thanks for all your advice, you are awsome I've
> > ordered a pair of CV axle shafts from SACC restorations, hopefully
> this will solve the issue. I will also review the engine fittings to
> insure they are correct! I'll give you feedback as soon they have
> arrived and put in place. Looking forward to some nice track days
this
> summer without any
> issues
> >
> > Best regards Christer
> >
> > Skickat fraan min iPad
> >
> >> 24 juni 2018 kl. 22:57 skrev Roland <willibillie at live.de>:
> >>
> >> Good point. input and output must have the same angle. Input
angle is
> >> always 0 degrees from the gearbox. Very, very seldom the rear
axle is
> >> adjusted exact to 0 degrees. That causes lots of vibrations.
Can be
> >> seen easily on damaged decklid corners. A swap to CV joints
> >> solves
> all
> >> these problems. I have never seen damaged decklid corners on CV
joint
> >> driven Panteras. Vibrations eat power. A swap to CV joints are
the
> >> cheapest HP on the wheels. SACC Restaurations have a nice set
for a
> >> reasonable price.
> >>
> >> Roland Jaeckel
> >>
> >> Am 24.06.2018 um 22:38 schrieb Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.:
> >>
> >> Here is an youtube demstrating u joint jerking. Phasing is shown
> >> at
> 02:00
> >> [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmV4qwLfOMY
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DeTomaso
[[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> >> On
> Behalf Of
> >> Christer Eriksson
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 16:21 PM
> >> To: Mike Drew
> >> Cc: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; [4]laurieferrari at aol.com;
> [5]unnerstad.
> >> ekelundatgmail.com at aol.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] suggestion re: vibration
> >>
> >> I have not disembeld the shafts but previous Owner may have? I
> >> belive
> this could
> >> be the issue and I guess I need to dig further into it. At the
same
> time I will
> >> Inspect the Engine joints to be secure.
> >> Thanks for all your advice!
> >> Best regards Christer
> >>
> >> I would defenitly come back when the issue is solved!
> >>
> >> soen 24 juni 2018 kl. 06:29 skrev Mike Drew
[6]<MikeLDrew at aol.com>:
> >>
> >>
> >> Christer,
> >>
> >> Did you dismantle the two halves of the driveshafts? If so, and
you
> >> didn't get them assembled exactly as they had been before, you
> >> could have easily created an imbalance or out-of-phase condition.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 23, 2018, at 12:21, Christer Eriksson <
> >>
> >> [7]unnerstad.ekelund at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The halfshaft should be individualy balanced, need to rebalance?
> >>
> >> Could it be that they need to be rotated 180 degrees=reclocked?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> lAP:r 23 juni 2018 kl. 18:50 skrev Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso
> >> [8]<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
> >>
> >>
> >> Reliable source suggests you most likely need to reclock your half
> >>
> >> shafts!A Th
> >> ey are probably not clocked correctly.
> >> 23 juni 2018 kl. 16:28 skrev Christer Eriksson
<[1]unnerstad.ekelund
> >> at [2]gmail.co
> >> m>:
> >>
> >> A A Dear forum,
> >>
> >> A A During acceleration Iave got heavy vibrations in my #2783,
> >>
> >> nothing
> >>
> >> A A during de-accelerating nor continious speed. So heavy that
the
> >>
> >> rearview
> >>
> >> A A mirror turns....
> >>
> >> A A Any ideas would be welcome!
> >>
> >> A A Thanks ChristerA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> References
> >> A A 1. [3][9]
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