[DeTomaso] Clutch master/slave

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Mon Jun 25 17:28:03 EDT 2018


My sincerest apologies to you Scott, as your site is one of the easier to navigate and order from!


Julian

________________________________
From: scott at saccrestorations.net <scott at saccrestorations.net>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 2:25 PM
To: 'Julian Kift'; 'Don Franck'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Clutch master/slave

And the always forgotten SACC Restorations!!!

http://www.saccrestorations.net/

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
Julian Kift
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:42 PM
To: Don Franck <panteradon at gmail.com>; <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch master/slave

Don,


Most of them have and many have an online catalog, perhaps not full online
ordering or those that do you need to verify parts availability.


http://www.panteraparts.com/


<http://www.panteraparts.com/>http://www.panteraperformance.com/


http://www.panterasbywilkinson.com/

http://www.precisionproformance.com/

http://www.pim.net/


http://fullthrottlepanteras.com/

Julian

________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Don
Franck <panteradon at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:06 PM
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch master/slave

Sure wish some of these vendors would come out of the 80’s and create web
sites.

Don

On Sunday, June 24, 2018, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:

> Les,
>
> Not all replacement masters are created equal. The ones with DETOMASO
> cast in the side are legendarily junk.
>
> I was with a couple of Pantera vendors at an event a few years back
> and they were talking about them. One said “I have a huge box of
> defective ones that customers have returned”.  The other then said, “I
> bet my box is bigger than your box!”  Then they both had a good laugh.
> I didn’t think it was especially funny, because I know how difficult
> it is to change the damn things.
>
> The only quality factory clutch master cylinders I’m aware of come
> from either Roland Jäckel in Germany, or Marino Perna of Pantera East (who
> imports them from Germany).   I can’t speak to Brand X replacements from
> Wilwood etc.
>
> Lori’s car had one of the DETOMASO units and it failed when about
> three years old (well past when some have failed—some were bad right
> out of the
> box) so we replaced it with one from Marino, which has been going
> strong for seven years now.
>
> My vintage 1993 NOS Italian unit finally failed a few weeks ago. I
> plan to replace it with one of Marino’s, and then try to get a rebuild
> kit to restore my old one to have as a spare.....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 23, 2018, at 20:47, L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> >  Don,
> >       Your clutch master exhibits the classic symptoms of a failing
> master cylinder. The seals are no longer able to hold full hydraulic
> pressure. When you pump the clutch pedal a few times, you are building
> enough pressure to let the clutch release but only for less than a minute.
> >      Time to replace the master and possibly the slave cylinder, if
> > it
> has been in the car for as long as the master has.
> >      Almost all of the PANTERA vendors sell these units. Your
> > choice,
> Pantera’s by Wilkinson, Full Throttle Pantera’s, Pantera Performance
> Center
> - Colorado, Larry Stick up in Reno-Tahoe area, Precision
> Proformance-Bob Byars ....
> >      If you get the POCA newsletter from a few months ago, you’ll
> > find
> all of the vendors listed there with contact information. (Be sure to
> check an edition from around January to see them all.)  Hope this helps
you.
> >
> > Leslie A. Gray
> >
> >> On Jun 23, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Don Franck <panteradon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Second tech question of the day.
> >>
> >>  Drove the car quite a ways today and am having difficulty
> >> shifting.A  Seems like the hotter the car gor the worse the
> >> problem.A  It wiuld  shift easier if i pumped the clutch pedal a
> >> few times.A  By the time i  pulled into the garage, the car died as i
could not release the clutch.
> >>
> >>  So, options? A  We did bleed the system a year or so ago and it
> >> did not  help the situation.
> >>
> >>  Rebuild the master and slave?A  If so, where can i get parts.
> >>
> >>  Replace them?A  Recommend vendors?
> >>
> >>  I do have braided steel hydraulic lines so the line is not the issue.
> >>
> >>  Thanks for any and all suggestions.
> >>
> >>  Don
> >>
> >>  --
> >>  Don
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> >>
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--
Don

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   My sincerest apologies to you Scott, as your site is one of the easier
   to navigate and order from!

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: scott at saccrestorations.net <scott at saccrestorations.net>
   Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 2:25 PM
   To: 'Julian Kift'; 'Don Franck'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Clutch master/slave

   And the always forgotten SACC Restorations!!!
   [1]http://www.saccrestorations.net/
   Scott
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
   Julian Kift
   Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:42 PM
   To: Don Franck <panteradon at gmail.com>;
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch master/slave
   Don,
   Most of them have and many have an online catalog, perhaps not full
   online
   ordering or those that do you need to verify parts availability.
   [2]http://www.panteraparts.com/
   <[3]http://www.panteraparts.com/>http://www.panteraperformance.com/
   [4]http://www.panterasbywilkinson.com/
   [5]http://www.precisionproformance.com/
   [6]http://www.pim.net/
   [7]http://fullthrottlepanteras.com/
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Don
   Franck <panteradon at gmail.com>
   Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:06 PM
   To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Clutch master/slave
   Sure wish some of these vendors would come out of the 80's and create
   web
   sites.
   Don
   On Sunday, June 24, 2018, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
   > Les,
   >
   > Not all replacement masters are created equal. The ones with DETOMASO
   > cast in the side are legendarily junk.
   >
   > I was with a couple of Pantera vendors at an event a few years back
   > and they were talking about them. One said "I have a huge box of
   > defective ones that customers have returned".  The other then said,
   "I
   > bet my box is bigger than your box!"  Then they both had a good
   laugh.
   > I didn't think it was especially funny, because I know how difficult
   > it is to change the damn things.
   >
   > The only quality factory clutch master cylinders I'm aware of come
   > from either Roland Jaeckel in Germany, or Marino Perna of Pantera
   East (who
   > imports them from Germany).   I can't speak to Brand X replacements
   from
   > Wilwood etc.
   >
   > Lori's car had one of the DETOMASO units and it failed when about
   > three years old (well past when some have failed--some were bad right
   > out of the
   > box) so we replaced it with one from Marino, which has been going
   > strong for seven years now.
   >
   > My vintage 1993 NOS Italian unit finally failed a few weeks ago. I
   > plan to replace it with one of Marino's, and then try to get a
   rebuild
   > kit to restore my old one to have as a spare.....
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPad
   >
   > > On Jun 23, 2018, at 20:47, L GRAY <tipo874a at msn.com> wrote:
   > >
   > >  Don,
   > >       Your clutch master exhibits the classic symptoms of a failing
   > master cylinder. The seals are no longer able to hold full hydraulic
   > pressure. When you pump the clutch pedal a few times, you are
   building
   > enough pressure to let the clutch release but only for less than a
   minute.
   > >      Time to replace the master and possibly the slave cylinder, if
   > > it
   > has been in the car for as long as the master has.
   > >      Almost all of the PANTERA vendors sell these units. Your
   > > choice,
   > Pantera's by Wilkinson, Full Throttle Pantera's, Pantera Performance
   > Center
   > - Colorado, Larry Stick up in Reno-Tahoe area, Precision
   > Proformance-Bob Byars ....
   > >      If you get the POCA newsletter from a few months ago, you'll
   > > find
   > all of the vendors listed there with contact information. (Be sure to
   > check an edition from around January to see them all.)  Hope this
   helps
   you.
   > >
   > > Leslie A. Gray
   > >
   > >> On Jun 23, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Don Franck <panteradon at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   > >>
   > >>  Second tech question of the day.
   > >>
   > >>  Drove the car quite a ways today and am having difficulty
   > >> shifting.A  Seems like the hotter the car gor the worse the
   > >> problem.A  It wiuld  shift easier if i pumped the clutch pedal a
   > >> few times.A  By the time i  pulled into the garage, the car died
   as i
   could not release the clutch.
   > >>
   > >>  So, options? A  We did bleed the system a year or so ago and it
   > >> did not  help the situation.
   > >>
   > >>  Rebuild the master and slave?A  If so, where can i get parts.
   > >>
   > >>  Replace them?A  Recommend vendors?
   > >>
   > >>  I do have braided steel hydraulic lines so the line is not the
   issue.
   > >>
   > >>  Thanks for any and all suggestions.
   > >>
   > >>  Don
   > >>
   > >>  --
   > >>  Don
   > >> _______________________________________________
   > >>
   > >>
   > >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not
   > >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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   list.
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   > >
   > >
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   --
   Don

References

   1. http://www.saccrestorations.net/
   2. http://www.panteraparts.com/
   3. http://www.panteraparts.com/
   4. http://www.panterasbywilkinson.com/
   5. http://www.precisionproformance.com/
   6. http://www.pim.net/
   7. http://fullthrottlepanteras.com/
   8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso


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