[DeTomaso] AmeriSport Cars
The DeTomaso Registry Guy
detomasoregistry at gmail.com
Mon Jul 23 20:42:38 EDT 2018
Now I changed the subject to AmeriSports Cars.
AmeriSport cars >DO< carry a DeTomaso VIN… Larry, check on the foot box of the car VIN you sited, 111014.
I believe you will find the typical DeTomaso pattern VIN stamped there, THPN??09???
Find the number and let me know! I can cross-reference it.
I consider cars AmeriSport ‘completed’ to be a DeTomaso. These Panteras carry an additional VIN starting with A9P,
which identifies them as an AmeriSport completed product.
One can search for them directly via the DeTomaso short VIN, they also appear on the AmeriSport list, under both VIN patterns.
Even without Kirk’s help, over the last 20+ years, I have identified some 27 of the likely 29 cars he ‘marketed’.
Kirk, you can still help me out with the last two, then I can finally close that part of the task.
This does not count the cars Kirk Evans imported for specific people, like Carroll Shelby.
There are two or more cars in this group.
I consider the cars (Panteras, Longchamps, and ???) completed by “DeTomaso cars Australia”, to be a DeTomaso.
I consider the last dozen or so Mangustas, completed by a German (I forget his name) to still be DeTomaso cars.
Chuck
They do not carry a DeTomaso manufacture code, they were under Amerisport as the official US manufacturing and they gave Kirk his own designator in the VIN. That apparently started out as 1A9PN, image attached. Remember Kirk had to make them comply wit DOT and EPA US Standards as separate manufacture.
But the coaches WERE built by De Tomaso and have underlying De Tomaso VIN's, but simply shipped less engine and transmission. An Amerisport Pantera is as much a De Tomaso as any De Tomaso IMO and I think that fact would be backed up by sales prices!
Julian
Then Amerisport GT-5S Pantera’s would also NOT qualify.
On 7/23/18, 1:17 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C)"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>I vote NO. No clone cars in registry. They are certainly very very
>welcome to the Pantera family.
>But the registry should be for DeTomoaso built cars only. IMHO
><flame throwers on!:>
>
>
>
>"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
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>Cell: (818) 653-8213
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>
>On 7/23/18, 12:27 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy"
><detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have changed the subject to NZ cars...
> I would guess Ed might know of a NZ car not in the registry yet, or
>vice versa.
>
> I see 4 on the Unknowns List, (meaning the VIN is unknown on 4), the
>rest have been 'VIN'
> identified.
>
> One of those 4 could be the Kit Copy, but I have looked at these 4
>and all look to
> be DeTomaso-built.
>
> Any idea Ed which is the Kit car ? Or a car that is not in the
>registry.
>
> (Which brings up the topic of "Should clone cars be in the Registry" ?
>
>
>
> For the list guy that could not find the search page: (English is not
>his home language) ;
>
> www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/SearchRegistryMain.asp
>
> Click "Search By Feature" (Where Location is the first parameter on
>the list...)
>
> Click on "Country", it is the first link...
>
> Select from the drag down; "New Zealand"
>
> Click "Submit".
>
> A list of cars in the selected "Location" is displayed... and a total
>count follows.
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> Ed,
>
> It's likely there are cars in the registry that are off your radar.
>Search the registry by country and identify the ones that are
> unknown to you?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 23, 2018, at 11:02, Ed Mendez via DeTomaso
><detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > When I was living there 2 years ago, there were 14 and 1 fiberglass
>replica kit car, that included my two, the one Shelby Pantera
> and the Sultan of Brunei's right hand drive GTS . I brought 2152 back
>to the states, leaving 13, one black one sold to Australia
> leaving 12, this blue one sold to UK, leaving 11. My 3072 is still
>there.
> >
> > I'll see if I can get an accurate count and updates for you.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2018, at 12:47, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
><detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Wait!
> >>
> >> After 4355 went to the UK auction, the registry still has 15
>Panteras in New Zealand.
> >>
> >> Did you update the registry for 3072 ? (Is she back in the US ?)
> >>
> >> If you do a "Search By Country", you will spot the 4 cars needing
>an update.
> >>
> >> Let me know.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That was my friend Chris Wilson's car. Very nice car, it was a
>bare metal nut and bolt restoration. Shame he sold it. There are
> now
> >> 11 Panteras left in NZ.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >>> On Jul 22, 2018, at 01:27, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
><detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> #4355 just sold in the UK. Very nice car formerly owned by a guy
>in New
> >>> Zealand who did a very nice restoration, apart from painting it
>the
> >>> wrong color by accident, and forgetting to finish it by painting
>the
> >>> rockers etc satin black.
> >>>
> >>> Pics in the registry, or by Googling `Silverstone Auctions
>Pantera'
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> From: [1]info at hammerpricelive.com
> >>> Date: July 21, 2018 at 23:02:24 PDT
> >>> To: [2]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >>> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, July 22, 2018
> >>>
> >>> Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
> >>> Portfolio Report Sunday, July 22, 2018
> >>> Pantera
> >>> 1.
> >>> 1972 DeTomaso Sold $95,798 USD
> >>> Pantera EST. PRICE $73.49K-$86.61K USD
> >>> EXTERIOR Grabber Blue
> >>> Silverstone Auctions
> >>> INTERIOR Black
> >>> Lot 506 Silverstone Classic: Classic Car Sale
> >>> ODOMETER 82000 mi
> >>> CHASSIS N-o THPNML04355
> >>> July 21, 2018 9:55AM (EST)
> >>> De Tomaso
> >>> 1.
> >>> 1972 DeTomaso Sold $95,798 USD
> >>> Pantera EST. PRICE $73.49K-$86.61K USD
> >>> EXTERIOR Grabber Blue
> >>> Silverstone Auctions
> >>> INTERIOR Black
> >>> Lot 506 Silverstone Classic: Classic Car Sale
> >>> ODOMETER 82000 mi
> >>> CHASSIS N-o THPNML04355
> >>> July 21, 2018 9:55AM (EST)
> >>> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences
>in the
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Now I changed the subject to AmeriSports Cars.
AmeriSport cars >DO< carry a DeTomaso VIN... Larry, check on the foot
box of the car VIN you sited, 111014.
I believe you will find the typical DeTomaso pattern VIN stamped there,
THPN??09???
Find the number and let me know! I can cross-reference it.
I consider cars AmeriSport `completed' to be a DeTomaso. These
Panteras carry an additional VIN starting with A9P,
which identifies them as an AmeriSport completed product.
One can search for them directly via the DeTomaso short VIN, they also
appear on the AmeriSport list, under both VIN patterns.
Even without Kirk's help, over the last 20+ years, I have identified
some 27 of the likely 29 cars he `marketed'.
Kirk, you can still help me out with the last two, then I can finally
close that part of the task.
This does not count the cars Kirk Evans imported for specific people,
like Carroll Shelby.
There are two or more cars in this group.
I consider the cars (Panteras, Longchamps, and ???) completed by
"DeTomaso cars Australia", to be a DeTomaso.
I consider the last dozen or so Mangustas, completed by a German (I
forget his name) to still be DeTomaso cars.
Chuck
They do not carry a DeTomaso manufacture code, they were under
Amerisport as the official US manufacturing and they gave Kirk his own
designator in the VIN. That apparently started out as 1A9PN, image
attached. Remember Kirk had to make them comply wit DOT and EPA US
Standards as separate manufacture.
But the coaches WERE built by De Tomaso and have underlying De Tomaso
VIN's, but simply shipped less engine and transmission. An Amerisport
Pantera is as much a De Tomaso as any De Tomaso IMO and I think that
fact would be backed up by sales prices!
Julian
Then Amerisport GT-5S Pantera's would also NOT qualify.
On 7/23/18, 1:17 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C)"
<[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>I vote NO. No clone cars in registry. They are certainly very very
>welcome to the Pantera family.
>But the registry should be for DeTomoaso built cars only. IMHO
><flame throwers on!:>
>
>
>
>"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
>Terry W. Himes
>JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>Dawn Spacecraft Team
>Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>Phone: (818) 393-6261
>Cell: (818) 653-8213
>[3]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
>
>On 7/23/18, 12:27 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The DeTomaso Registry
Guy"
><[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>[5]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have changed the subject to NZ cars...
> I would guess Ed might know of a NZ car not in the registry yet,
or
>vice versa.
>
> I see 4 on the Unknowns List, (meaning the VIN is unknown on 4),
the
>rest have been 'VIN'
> identified.
>
> One of those 4 could be the Kit Copy, but I have looked at these 4
>and all look to
> be DeTomaso-built.
>
> Any idea Ed which is the Kit car ? Or a car that is not in the
>registry.
>
> (Which brings up the topic of "Should clone cars be in the
Registry" ?
>
>
>
> For the list guy that could not find the search page: (English is
not
>his home language) ;
>
> [6]www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/SearchRegistryMain.asp
>
> Click "Search By Feature" (Where Location is the first parameter
on
>the list...)
>
> Click on "Country", it is the first link...
>
> Select from the drag down; "New Zealand"
>
> Click "Submit".
>
> A list of cars in the selected "Location" is displayed... and a
total
>count follows.
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> Ed,
>
> It's likely there are cars in the registry that are off your
radar.
>Search the registry by country and identify the ones that are
> unknown to you?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 23, 2018, at 11:02, Ed Mendez via DeTomaso
><[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > When I was living there 2 years ago, there were 14 and 1
fiberglass
>replica kit car, that included my two, the one Shelby Pantera
> and the Sultan of Brunei's right hand drive GTS . I brought 2152
back
>to the states, leaving 13, one black one sold to Australia
> leaving 12, this blue one sold to UK, leaving 11. My 3072 is still
>there.
> >
> > I'll see if I can get an accurate count and updates for you.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2018, at 12:47, The DeTomaso Registry Guy
><[8]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Wait!
> >>
> >> After 4355 went to the UK auction, the registry still has 15
>Panteras in New Zealand.
> >>
> >> Did you update the registry for 3072 ? (Is she back in the US
?)
> >>
> >> If you do a "Search By Country", you will spot the 4 cars
needing
>an update.
> >>
> >> Let me know.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That was my friend Chris Wilson's car. Very nice car, it was a
>bare metal nut and bolt restoration. Shame he sold it. There are
> now
> >> 11 Panteras left in NZ.
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >>> On Jul 22, 2018, at 01:27, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
><[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> #4355 just sold in the UK. Very nice car formerly owned by a
guy
>in New
> >>> Zealand who did a very nice restoration, apart from painting
it
>the
> >>> wrong color by accident, and forgetting to finish it by
painting
>the
> >>> rockers etc satin black.
> >>>
> >>> Pics in the registry, or by Googling `Silverstone Auctions
>Pantera'
> >>>
> >>> Cheers!
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> From: [1][10]info at hammerpricelive.com
> >>> Date: July 21, 2018 at 23:02:24 PDT
> >>> To: [2][11]MikeLDrew at aol.com
> >>> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, July 22, 2018
> >>>
> >>> Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
> >>> Portfolio Report Sunday, July 22, 2018
> >>> Pantera
> >>> 1.
> >>> 1972 DeTomaso Sold $95,798 USD
> >>> Pantera EST. PRICE $73.49K-$86.61K USD
> >>> EXTERIOR Grabber Blue
> >>> Silverstone Auctions
> >>> INTERIOR Black
> >>> Lot 506 Silverstone Classic: Classic Car Sale
> >>> ODOMETER 82000 mi
> >>> CHASSIS N-o THPNML04355
> >>> July 21, 2018 9:55AM (EST)
> >>> De Tomaso
> >>> 1.
> >>> 1972 DeTomaso Sold $95,798 USD
> >>> Pantera EST. PRICE $73.49K-$86.61K USD
> >>> EXTERIOR Grabber Blue
> >>> Silverstone Auctions
> >>> INTERIOR Black
> >>> Lot 506 Silverstone Classic: Classic Car Sale
> >>> ODOMETER 82000 mi
> >>> CHASSIS N-o THPNML04355
> >>> July 21, 2018 9:55AM (EST)
> >>> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification
preferences
>in the
> >>> app using Settings.
> >>> (c) 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC
> >>>
> >>> References
> >>>
> >>> 1. [12]mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com
> >>> 2. [13]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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> >>>
> >>>
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