[DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Fri Jul 13 16:11:07 EDT 2018
"It's near the Torrance, California, headquarters of both American Honda
and Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. "
Not to be picky but Toyota just moved to the Dallas Area!
Jeff
6559
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) <
terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hmm? Here's what I dug up so far. Doesn't seem all that bad. I'll keep
> digging...
>
> Hydrogen is the most common element on the planet, so there are no worries
> about shortages. It rarely exists as free hydrogen, however.
> It usually is bound to something else, like hydrogen in water or in
> natural gas.
>
> We make plenty of hydrogen in the U.S, mostly by "reforming" natural gas
> to break down the molecules and split off their hydrogen atoms.
> And most of what we make is used in refining oil or manufacturing ammonia
> for the fertilizer industry.
>
> Some hydrogen fuel for fuel-cell cars is pulled directly from a pipeline
> serving one of those oil refineries. It's near the Torrance, California,
> headquarters of both American Honda and Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A.
>
> Some hydrogen is made on-site at a few fueling stations that use
> electrolysis to split the hydrogen molecules from water. The electricity
> for
> that process can come either from on-site solar panels or from the local
> electrical grid.
>
> Most hydrogen for fuel, however, is made in large hydrogen processing
> plants, which are the same ones that serve the oil industry. The hydrogen
> is then trucked to the stations and stored in large above-ground tanks.
>
> To make it into fuel for fuel-cell vehicles, the hydrogen must be
> compressed. The present standard is 10,000 pounds per square inch, which
> also
> is designated as 700 bars. It is then chilled to keep it from heating and
> expanding as it is pumped into the vehicle. That equipment is part of the
> fueling station.
>
> A hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle's tank is sized in kilograms. A 4-kilogram
> hydrogen tank (8.8 pounds) holds the energy equivalent of 4 gallons of
> gasoline.
> Today's hydrogen fuel stations can fill such a tank in 3-5 minutes.
>
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 🇺🇸
>
> On 7/13/18, 9:56 AM, "Mike Drew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Terry,
>
> Hydrogen will never remotely approach cost effectiveness. The amount
> of energy necessary to produce, transport and store it far exceeds the
> amount of energy delivered. An enormous amount of fossil fuels is consumed
> (and pollution generated) in order to ‘save gas’ and ‘be green’
>
> Government idiocy....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 13, 2018, at 11:52, Himes, Terry (397C) <
> terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > We have a Hydrogen filling station next to JPL (Pasadena, CA). I've
> talked to several
> > hydrogen fuel cell guys and they love'em. But the cost per Kg is
> still pretty high. It won't
> > come down until more cars are on the road and demand gets bigger.
> They get ~300mi on
> > a tank.
> >
> > IMHO - I will wait until hydrogen fuel cell cars are more cost
> effective and go that route.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> >
> > Terry W. Himes
> > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> > Dawn Spacecraft Team
> > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> > Phone: (818) 393-6261
> > Cell: (818) 653-8213
> > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> > 🇺🇸
> >
> > On 7/13/18, 9:21 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Tesla charging station close to my office. Every once in
> a wile I
> > will see some one sitting there.
> >
> > How do you pay for the charge up? Does it know your car when you
> plug in?
> >
> > I like the wagon and it has nothing to do with owning 4 green
> cars...
> >
> > Larry (wagon master) - Cleveland
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
> > Sent: July 09, 2018 9:12 PM
> > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
> > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 6:11 PM
> > To: 'Konrad Szwab' <kszwab at gmail.com>; 'ollerabmut at msn.com'
> > <ollerabmut at msn.com>
> > Cc: 'detomaso at server.detomasolist.com' <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
> >
> > Pessimist: Things couldn't get any worse . . .
> > Optimist: Oh yes they could!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
> Behalf Of
> > Konrad Szwab
> > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 2:49 PM
> > To: ollerabmut at msn.com
> > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
> >
> > Don't be negative. An explosion is also possible.
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 4:47 PM Mark Tumbarello <
> ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Right up until it burns to the ground in an electrical fire that
> you
> >> can't put out
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY SR 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> >> Date: 7/9/18 11:18 (GMT-08:00)
> >> To: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Konrad Szwab <
> >> kszwab at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> >> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
> >>
> >> You're just jealous because it's faster than your Pantera!!
> >>
> >> m
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> On Mon, 7/9/18, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
> >> To: "marshall smith" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> >> Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> >> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:53 AM
> >>
> >> What can
> >> be uglier than this Tesla ? A green one.
> >> Hideous.
> >> On Mon, Jul
> >> 9, 2018 at 12:19 PM marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> What a
> >> great looking station wagon! Can't wait for my Model 3!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> M
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> On Mon, 7/9/18, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
> >> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
> >>
> >> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >>
> >> Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:06 AM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Came across a photo shoot for this one-off Tesla prototype
> >>
> >> in Lausanne, Switzerland today. Nicely done except for the
> >>
> >> rather large C-pillars. Well executed with good attention to
> >>
> >> detail._______________________________________________
> >>
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A "It's near the Torrance, California,A headquarters of both American
Honda and Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A.A "
Not to be picky but Toyota just moved to the Dallas Area!
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Jeff
6559
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
Hmm?A Here's what I dug up so far.A Doesn't seem all that bad.A
I'll keep digging...
Hydrogen is the most common element on the planet, so there are no
worries about shortages. It rarely exists as free hydrogen, however.
It usually is bound to something else, like hydrogen in water or in
natural gas.
We make plenty of hydrogen in the U.S, mostly by "reforming" natural
gas to break down the molecules and split off their hydrogen atoms.
And most of what we make is used in refining oil or manufacturing
ammonia for the fertilizer industry.
Some hydrogen fuel for fuel-cell cars is pulled directly from a
pipeline serving one of those oil refineries. It's near the
Torrance, California,
headquarters of both American Honda and Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A.
Some hydrogen is made on-site at a few fueling stations that use
electrolysis to split the hydrogen molecules from water. The
electricity for
that process can come either from on-site solar panels or from the
local electrical grid.
Most hydrogen for fuel, however, is made in large hydrogen
processing plants, which are the same ones that serve the oil
industry. The hydrogen
is then trucked to the stations and stored in large above-ground
tanks.
To make it into fuel for fuel-cell vehicles, the hydrogen must be
compressed. The present standard is 10,000 pounds per square inch,
which also
is designated as 700 bars. It is then chilled to keep it from
heating and expanding as it is pumped into the vehicle. That
equipment is part of the fueling station.
A hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle's tank is sized in kilograms. A
4-kilogram hydrogen tank (8.8 pounds) holds the energy equivalent of
4 gallons of gasoline.
Today's hydrogen fuel stations can fill such a tank in 3-5 minutes.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213
[2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
d--od-,
i>>?On 7/13/18, 9:56 AM, "Mike Drew" <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
A A Terry,
A A Hydrogen will never remotely approach cost effectiveness. The
amount of energy necessary to produce, transport and store it far
exceeds the amount of energy delivered. An enormous amount of fossil
fuels is consumedA (and pollution generated) in order to asave gasa
and abe greena
A A Government idiocy....
A A Mike
A A Sent from my iPad
A A > On Jul 13, 2018, at 11:52, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[4]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
A A >
A A > We have a Hydrogen filling station next to JPL (Pasadena,
CA).A I've talked to several
A A > hydrogen fuel cell guys and they love'em.A But the cost per Kg
is still pretty high. It won't
A A > come down until more cars are on the road and demand gets
bigger. They get ~300mi on
A A > a tank.
A A >
A A > IMHO - I will wait until hydrogen fuel cell cars are more cost
effective and go that route.
A A >
A A >
A A >
A A >
A A >
A A > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
A A > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
A A >
A A > Terry W. Himes
A A > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
A A > Dawn Spacecraft Team
A A > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
A A > Phone: (818) 393-6261
A A > Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213
A A > [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
A A > d--od-,
A A >
A A > On 7/13/18, 9:21 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry-Ohio Time
Corp" <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[7]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
A A >
A A >A A I have a Tesla charging station close to my office. Every
once in a wile I
A A >A A will see some one sitting there.
A A >
A A >A A How do you pay for the charge up? Does it know your car
when you plug in?
A A >
A A >A A I like the wagon and it has nothing to do with owning 4
green cars...
A A >
A A >A A Larry (wagon master) - Cleveland
A A >
A A >
A A >
A A >A A -----Original Message-----
A A >A A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[8]detomaso-bounces@
server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
A A >A A Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
A A >A A Sent: July 09, 2018 9:12 PM
A A >A A To: [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
A A >
A A >
A A >
A A >A A -----Original Message-----
A A >A A From: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[10]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
A A >A A Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 6:11 PM
A A >A A To: 'Konrad Szwab' <[11]kszwab at gmail.com>;
'[12]ollerabmut at msn.com'
A A >A A <[13]ollerabmut at msn.com>
A A >A A Cc: '[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com'
<[15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
A A >
A A >A A Pessimist: Things couldn't get any worse . . .
A A >A A Optimist: Oh yes they could!
A A >
A A >A A -----Original Message-----
A A >A A From: DeTomaso <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.
detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
A A >A A Konrad Szwab
A A >A A Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 2:49 PM
A A >A A To: [17]ollerabmut at msn.com
A A >A A Cc: [18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
A A >
A A >A A Don't be negative. An explosion is also possible.
A A >
A A >>A A On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 4:47 PM Mark Tumbarello
<[19]ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >> Right up until it burns to the ground in an electrical fire
that you
A A >> can't put out
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY SR 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> -------- Original message --------
A A >> From: marshall smith <[20]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
A A >> Date: 7/9/18 11:18 (GMT-08:00)
A A >> To: marshall smith <[21]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Konrad
Szwab <
A A >> [22]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A >> Cc: "[23]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
A A >> <[24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
A A >>
A A >> You're just jealous because it's faster than your Pantera!!
A A >>
A A >> m
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> --------------------------------------------
A A >> On Mon, 7/9/18, Konrad Szwab <[25]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >>
A A >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
A A >> To: "marshall smith" <[26]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
A A >> Cc: "[27]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
A A >> <[28]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >> Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:53 AM
A A >>
A A >> What can
A A >> be uglier than this Tesla ? A green one.
A A >> Hideous.
A A >> On Mon, Jul
A A >> 9, 2018 at 12:19 PM marshall smith
<[29]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
A A >> wrote:
A A >> What a
A A >> great looking station wagon! Can't wait for my ModelA 3!
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> M
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >> --------------------------------------------
A A >>
A A >> On Mon, 7/9/18, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
A A >> [30]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >> wrote:
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>A Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
A A >>
A A >>A To: [31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
A A >>
A A >>A Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:06 AM
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>
A A >>A Came across a photo shoot for this one-off TeslaA prototype
A A >>
A A >>A in Lausanne, Switzerland today. Nicely done except forA the
A A >>
A A >>A rather large C-pillars. Well executed with good attentionA
to
A A >>
A A >>A detail._______________________________________________
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2. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
4. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
7. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
10. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net
11. mailto:kszwab at gmail.com
12. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
13. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
14. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
15. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
16. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
17. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
18. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
19. mailto:ollerabmut at msn.com
20. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
21. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
22. mailto:kszwab at gmail.com
23. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
24. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
25. mailto:kszwab at gmail.com
26. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
27. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
28. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
29. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
30. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
31. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
32. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
33. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
34. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
35. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
36. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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