[DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Fri Jul 13 13:09:19 EDT 2018
Terry,
It’s pretty commonly known. Here is one of a million articles....
https://www.treehugger.com/cars/why-hydrogen-powered-cars-really-suck.html
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 13, 2018, at 12:01, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> I haven't researched the hydrogen generation process that much. Send me your research. I would be interested.
> Hydrogen generation vs Electric power grid generation.
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 🇺🇸
>
> On 7/13/18, 9:56 AM, "Mike Drew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Terry,
>
> Hydrogen will never remotely approach cost effectiveness. The amount of energy necessary to produce, transport and store it far exceeds the amount of energy delivered. An enormous amount of fossil fuels is consumed (and pollution generated) in order to ‘save gas’ and ‘be green’
>
> Government idiocy....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 13, 2018, at 11:52, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> We have a Hydrogen filling station next to JPL (Pasadena, CA). I've talked to several
>> hydrogen fuel cell guys and they love'em. But the cost per Kg is still pretty high. It won't
>> come down until more cars are on the road and demand gets bigger. They get ~300mi on
>> a tank.
>>
>> IMHO - I will wait until hydrogen fuel cell cars are more cost effective and go that route.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> 🇺🇸
>>
>> On 7/13/18, 9:21 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a Tesla charging station close to my office. Every once in a wile I
>> will see some one sitting there.
>>
>> How do you pay for the charge up? Does it know your car when you plug in?
>>
>> I like the wagon and it has nothing to do with owning 4 green cars...
>>
>> Larry (wagon master) - Cleveland
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
>> Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
>> Sent: July 09, 2018 9:12 PM
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 6:11 PM
>> To: 'Konrad Szwab' <kszwab at gmail.com>; 'ollerabmut at msn.com'
>> <ollerabmut at msn.com>
>> Cc: 'detomaso at server.detomasolist.com' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
>>
>> Pessimist: Things couldn't get any worse . . .
>> Optimist: Oh yes they could!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
>> Konrad Szwab
>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 2:49 PM
>> To: ollerabmut at msn.com
>> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
>>
>> Don't be negative. An explosion is also possible.
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 4:47 PM Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Right up until it burns to the ground in an electrical fire that you
>>> can't put out
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY SR 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Date: 7/9/18 11:18 (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Konrad Szwab <
>>> kszwab at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
>>>
>>> You're just jealous because it's faster than your Pantera!!
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Mon, 7/9/18, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
>>> To: "marshall smith" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
>>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:53 AM
>>>
>>> What can
>>> be uglier than this Tesla ? A green one.
>>> Hideous.
>>> On Mon, Jul
>>> 9, 2018 at 12:19 PM marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> What a
>>> great looking station wagon! Can't wait for my Model 3!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> On Mon, 7/9/18, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
>>> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
>>>
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>>
>>> Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:06 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Came across a photo shoot for this one-off Tesla prototype
>>>
>>> in Lausanne, Switzerland today. Nicely done except for the
>>>
>>> rather large C-pillars. Well executed with good attention to
>>>
>>> detail._______________________________________________
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Terry,
It's pretty commonly known. Here is one of a million articles....
[1]https://www.treehugger.com/cars/why-hydrogen-powered-cars-really-suc
k.html
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 13, 2018, at 12:01, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
I haven't researched the hydrogen generation process that much. Send
me your research. I would be interested.
Hydrogen generation vs Electric power grid generation.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[3]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 7/13/18, 9:56 AM, "Mike Drew" <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
Terry,
Hydrogen will never remotely approach cost effectiveness. The amount
of energy necessary to produce, transport and store it far exceeds the
amount of energy delivered. An enormous amount of fossil fuels is
consumed (and pollution generated) in order to `save gas' and `be
green'
Government idiocy....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 13, 2018, at 11:52, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[5]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
We have a Hydrogen filling station next to JPL (Pasadena, CA). I've
talked to several
hydrogen fuel cell guys and they love'em. But the cost per Kg is
still pretty high. It won't
come down until more cars are on the road and demand gets bigger.
They get ~300mi on
a tank.
IMHO - I will wait until hydrogen fuel cell cars are more cost
effective and go that route.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 7/13/18, 9:21 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry-Ohio Time Corp"
<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[8]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
I have a Tesla charging station close to my office. Every once in
a wile I
will see some one sitting there.
How do you pay for the charge up? Does it know your car when you
plug in?
I like the wagon and it has nothing to do with owning 4 green
cars...
Larry (wagon master) - Cleveland
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Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
Sent: July 09, 2018 9:12 PM
To: [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[11]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 6:11 PM
To: 'Konrad Szwab' <[12]kszwab at gmail.com>;
'[13]ollerabmut at msn.com'
<[14]ollerabmut at msn.com>
Cc: '[15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com'
<[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
Pessimist: Things couldn't get any worse . . .
Optimist: Oh yes they could!
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of
Konrad Szwab
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 2:49 PM
To: [18]ollerabmut at msn.com
Cc: [19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
Don't be negative. An explosion is also possible.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 4:47 PM Mark Tumbarello
<[20]ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
Right up until it burns to the ground in an electrical fire that you
can't put out
Sent via the Samsung GALAXY SR 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: marshall smith <[21]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Date: 7/9/18 11:18 (GMT-08:00)
To: marshall smith <[22]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Konrad Szwab
<
[23]kszwab at gmail.com>
Cc: "[24]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
You're just jealous because it's faster than your Pantera!!
m
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 7/9/18, Konrad Szwab <[26]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
To: "marshall smith" <[27]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: "[28]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[29]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:53 AM
What can
be uglier than this Tesla ? A green one.
Hideous.
On Mon, Jul
9, 2018 at 12:19 PM marshall smith
<[30]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
What a
great looking station wagon! Can't wait for my Model 3!
M
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 7/9/18, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
[31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
wrote:
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
To: [32]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:06 AM
Came across a photo shoot for this one-off Tesla prototype
in Lausanne, Switzerland today. Nicely done except for the
rather large C-pillars. Well executed with good attention to
detail._______________________________________________
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1. https://www.treehugger.com/cars/why-hydrogen-powered-cars-really-suck.html
2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
3. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
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