[DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype

Himes, Terry (397C) terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Fri Jul 13 13:08:36 EDT 2018


Hmm?  Here's what I dug up so far.  Doesn't seem all that bad.  I'll keep digging...

Hydrogen is the most common element on the planet, so there are no worries about shortages. It rarely exists as free hydrogen, however. 
It usually is bound to something else, like hydrogen in water or in natural gas.

We make plenty of hydrogen in the U.S, mostly by "reforming" natural gas to break down the molecules and split off their hydrogen atoms. 
And most of what we make is used in refining oil or manufacturing ammonia for the fertilizer industry.

Some hydrogen fuel for fuel-cell cars is pulled directly from a pipeline serving one of those oil refineries. It's near the Torrance, California, 
headquarters of both American Honda and Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A.

Some hydrogen is made on-site at a few fueling stations that use electrolysis to split the hydrogen molecules from water. The electricity for 
that process can come either from on-site solar panels or from the local electrical grid.

Most hydrogen for fuel, however, is made in large hydrogen processing plants, which are the same ones that serve the oil industry. The hydrogen 
is then trucked to the stations and stored in large above-ground tanks.

To make it into fuel for fuel-cell vehicles, the hydrogen must be compressed. The present standard is 10,000 pounds per square inch, which also 
is designated as 700 bars. It is then chilled to keep it from heating and expanding as it is pumped into the vehicle. That equipment is part of the fueling station.

A hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle's tank is sized in kilograms. A 4-kilogram hydrogen tank (8.8 pounds) holds the energy equivalent of 4 gallons of gasoline. 
Today's hydrogen fuel stations can fill such a tank in 3-5 minutes.




"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
 
Terry W. Himes 
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Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
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On 7/13/18, 9:56 AM, "Mike Drew" <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:

    Terry,
    
    Hydrogen will never remotely approach cost effectiveness. The amount of energy necessary to produce, transport and store it far exceeds the amount of energy delivered. An enormous amount of fossil fuels is consumed  (and pollution generated) in order to ‘save gas’ and ‘be green’
    
    Government idiocy....
    
    Mike
    
    Sent from my iPad
    
    > On Jul 13, 2018, at 11:52, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
    > 
    > We have a Hydrogen filling station next to JPL (Pasadena, CA).  I've talked to several 
    > hydrogen fuel cell guys and they love'em.  But the cost per Kg is still pretty high. It won't 
    > come down until more cars are on the road and demand gets bigger. They get ~300mi on 
    > a tank. 
    > 
    > IMHO - I will wait until hydrogen fuel cell cars are more cost effective and go that route. 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
    > 
    > Terry W. Himes 
    > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
    > Dawn Spacecraft Team
    > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
    > Phone: (818) 393-6261
    > Cell:     (818) 653-8213
    > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
    > 🇺🇸
    > 
    > On 7/13/18, 9:21 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
    > 
    >    I have a Tesla charging station close to my office. Every once in a wile I
    >    will see some one sitting there. 
    > 
    >    How do you pay for the charge up? Does it know your car when you plug in?
    > 
    >    I like the wagon and it has nothing to do with owning 4 green cars...
    > 
    >    Larry (wagon master) - Cleveland
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >    -----Original Message-----
    >    From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
    >    Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
    >    Sent: July 09, 2018 9:12 PM
    >    To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    >    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >    -----Original Message-----
    >    From: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas at comcast.net> 
    >    Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 6:11 PM
    >    To: 'Konrad Szwab' <kszwab at gmail.com>; 'ollerabmut at msn.com'
    >    <ollerabmut at msn.com>
    >    Cc: 'detomaso at server.detomasolist.com' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    >    Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
    > 
    >    Pessimist: Things couldn't get any worse . . .
    >    Optimist: Oh yes they could!
    > 
    >    -----Original Message-----
    >    From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
    >    Konrad Szwab
    >    Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 2:49 PM
    >    To: ollerabmut at msn.com
    >    Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    >    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
    > 
    >    Don't be negative. An explosion is also possible.
    > 
    >>    On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 4:47 PM Mark Tumbarello <ollerabmut at msn.com> wrote:
    >> 
    >> Right up until it burns to the ground in an electrical fire that you 
    >> can't put out
    >> 
    >> 
    >> 
    >> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY SR 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
    >> 
    >> 
    >> -------- Original message --------
    >> From: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
    >> Date: 7/9/18 11:18 (GMT-08:00)
    >> To: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, Konrad Szwab < 
    >> kszwab at gmail.com>
    >> Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com" 
    >> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
    >> 
    >> You're just jealous because it's faster than your Pantera!!
    >> 
    >> m
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    >> On Mon, 7/9/18, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
    >> 
    >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
    >> To: "marshall smith" <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
    >> Cc: "DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com" 
    >> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    >> Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:53 AM
    >> 
    >> What can
    >> be uglier than this Tesla ? A green one.
    >> Hideous.
    >> On Mon, Jul
    >> 9, 2018 at 12:19 PM marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
    >> wrote:
    >> What a
    >> great looking station wagon! Can't wait for my Model  3!
    >> 
    >> 
    >> 
    >> M
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    >> On Mon, 7/9/18, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso < 
    >> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    >> wrote:
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    >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Tesla Estate Wagon Prototype
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    >>  To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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    >>  Date: Monday, July 9, 2018, 10:06 AM
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    >>  Came across a photo shoot for this one-off Tesla  prototype
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    >>  in Lausanne, Switzerland today. Nicely done except for  the
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    >>  rather large C-pillars. Well executed with good attention  to
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