[DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation

jderyke at aol.com jderyke at aol.com
Fri Jan 19 21:32:58 EST 2018 

Good to know Marino is still around and has Pantera parts. What contact did you use- curious.
Thanks- JDeRyke


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Sent: Fri, Jan 19, 2018 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation


Hi, Jack,


Those are the bushings I used.   Pantera East still has some in stock.


I used those because "way back when" someone did in fact damage their A arm in the process of getting the bushing out.  


The outer sleeve of the stock bushing and the metal of the A arm are both quite thin, it seems to me, so getting a receiver to support the A arm aperture but still allow the inner sleeve to pass thru and a push rod which will press out the outer sleeve but not touch the A arm aperture, both EXACTLY the right size, would not be easy. Of course if you have a lathe you could make them.


Jim






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From: jderyke <jderyke at aol.com>
To: julian_kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; byrdjf <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation


Depending on how mechanically adept you are and how well your garage is outfitted, there used to be vendors that sold bushings that fit inside that hard-to-press-out steel sleeve. So they didn't need removal- ever. By lathing 0.060" or so off the OD of the bushings you buy, ANY vendor's suspension upgrade-bushings could be much easier fitted and no risk of damaging the a-arms. FWIW- J Deryke


-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; 'Pantdino' <pantdino at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 19, 2018 7:49 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation


If you are going down that road, I've got a ford 2.0 pinto engine you
can have, it's much easier to drop in than a V8 and you'll never notice
the difference......

Seriously, the bushings are not hard to do, but you do need a press and
a sleeve (or old socket) just a tad smaller diameter than the a-arm to
press directly on the bushing outer, anything that presses on the inner
or rubber is futile.

As many options there are in the poly bushings, I still think the oem
rubber style provide the best ride for a street car and no annual
greasing required.
Julian
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Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 7:33 AM
To: 'Pantdino'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings
installation

Thanks Jim.

Sort of now wish I had not started pressing out the outer sleeve.
Are you pressing the smaller flange through the bore of the outer
sleeve or pressing from the end you just cut off.
(The smaller flange is what I am pressing on to push the outer sleeve
out.)
Would you be able to measure what the inside bore of that outer sleeve
is once the rubber is removed. I would like to know and add to my
notes.
Joe
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Behalf Of Pantdino via DeTomaso
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 23:43 PM
To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; julian_kift at hotmail.com
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation
Just replaced my bushings today with the ones from Pantera East.
Here are the steps:
1) cut off smaller metal flange of the stock bushing with reciprocating
saw
2) you can now see the rubber portion of the bushing between the inner
and outer sleeves. Drill multiple small holes in the rubber component
of the factory bushing, parallel to the long axis. This destroys the
integrity of the bushing
3) push out the inner sleeve of the stock bushing. The rubber comes
with it
4) coat everything with the silicone grease supplied and slide the
urethane portion of the new bushing into the outer sleeve of the stock
bushing, which is still in place in the A arm
5) slide the inner sleeve of the new bushing into place
Literally takes maybe 10 minutes per bushing.
That's it. No special tools or press needed, no danger of messing up
the fairly frail A arm
I ordered another set to have on hand.
Jim Oddie
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   Good to know Marino is still around and has Pantera parts. What contact
   did you use- curious.
   Thanks- JDeRyke
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   From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
   To: jderyke <jderyke at aol.com>; julian_kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>;
   byrdjf <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Fri, Jan 19, 2018 5:26 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings
   installation
   Hi, Jack,
   Those are the bushings I used.   Pantera East still has some in stock.
   I used those because "way back when" someone did in fact damage their A
   arm in the process of getting the bushing out.
   The outer sleeve of the stock bushing and the metal of the A arm are
   both quite thin, it seems to me, so getting a receiver to support the A
   arm aperture but still allow the inner sleeve to pass thru and a push
   rod which will press out the outer sleeve but not touch the A arm
   aperture, both EXACTLY the right size, would not be easy. Of course if
   you have a lathe you could make them.
   Jim
   -----Original Message-----
   From: jderyke <[1]jderyke at aol.com>
   To: julian_kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; byrdjf
   <[3]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; pantdino <[4]pantdino at aol.com>
   Cc: detomaso <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Fri, Jan 19, 2018 1:55 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings
   installation
   Depending on how mechanically adept you are and how well your garage is
   outfitted, there used to be vendors that sold bushings that fit inside
   that hard-to-press-out steel sleeve. So they didn't need removal- ever.
   By lathing 0.060" or so off the OD of the bushings you buy, ANY
   vendor's suspension upgrade-bushings could be much easier fitted and no
   risk of damaging the a-arms. FWIW- J Deryke
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Julian Kift <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[7]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>; 'Pantdino'
   <[8]pantdino at aol.com>
   Cc: detomaso <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Fri, Jan 19, 2018 7:49 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings
   installation
   If you are going down that road, I've got a ford 2.0 pinto engine you
   can have, it's much easier to drop in than a V8 and you'll never notice
   the difference......
   Seriously, the bushings are not hard to do, but you do need a press and
   a sleeve (or old socket) just a tad smaller diameter than the a-arm to
   press directly on the bushing outer, anything that presses on the inner
   or rubber is futile.
   As many options there are in the poly bushings, I still think the oem
   rubber style provide the best ride for a street car and no annual
   greasing required.
   Julian
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[10]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
   Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[11]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 7:33 AM
   To: 'Pantdino'
   Cc: [12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings
   installation
   Thanks Jim.
   Sort of now wish I had not started pressing out the outer sleeve.
   Are you pressing the smaller flange through the bore of the outer
   sleeve or pressing from the end you just cut off.
   (The smaller flange is what I am pressing on to push the outer sleeve
   out.)
   Would you be able to measure what the inside bore of that outer sleeve
   is once the rubber is removed. I would like to know and add to my
   notes.
   Joe
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   On
   Behalf Of Pantdino via DeTomaso
   Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 23:43 PM
   To: [14]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [15]julian_kift at hotmail.com
   Cc: [16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation
   Just replaced my bushings today with the ones from Pantera East.
   Here are the steps:
   1) cut off smaller metal flange of the stock bushing with reciprocating
   saw
   2) you can now see the rubber portion of the bushing between the inner
   and outer sleeves. Drill multiple small holes in the rubber component
   of the factory bushing, parallel to the long axis. This destroys the
   integrity of the bushing
   3) push out the inner sleeve of the stock bushing. The rubber comes
   with it
   4) coat everything with the silicone grease supplied and slide the
   urethane portion of the new bushing into the outer sleeve of the stock
   bushing, which is still in place in the A arm
   5) slide the inner sleeve of the new bushing into place
   Literally takes maybe 10 minutes per bushing.
   That's it. No special tools or press needed, no danger of messing up
   the fairly frail A arm
   I ordered another set to have on hand.
   Jim Oddie
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