[DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation

Fri Jan 19 13:40:25 EST 2018

Is Pantera East still around and selling these bushings any longer?  Seems like a good approach but I couldn’t find them on the net.

Mike Drew:  you mentioned that you didn’t think it was a good way to go but didn’t elaborate.  I can’t see why it would be any different than using poly bushings which replace the entire OEM bushing.

I still have OEM bushing but at some point will need to replace them : )

Mike Reilly

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation

I guess the critical question is whether one has an hydraulic press and the exact sizes of sockets or whatever.

I don’t and I don’t like to have random machine shop guys have the opportunity to mess up my A arms

The Pantera East bushings have been in place for 14 years and don’t squeak. I have never greased them.

The other point is that leaving the old outer sleeve in place strengthens the structure.

If you use the stock rubber bushings, you should torque down the A arm bolts with the suspension in the normal, LOADED position. Otherwise the bushing will be under tension constantly

Jim

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On Friday, January 19, 2018, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

If you are going down that road, I've got a ford 2.0 pinto engine you can have, it's much easier to drop in than a V8 and you'll never notice the difference......

Seriously, the bushings are not hard to do, but you do need a press and a sleeve (or old socket) just a tad smaller diameter than the a-arm to press directly on the bushing outer, anything that presses on the inner or rubber is futile.

As many options there are in the poly bushings, I still think the oem rubber style provide the best ride for a street car and no annual greasing required.

Julian
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Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 7:33 AM
To: 'Pantdino'
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation

Thanks Jim.

Sort of now wish I had not started pressing out the outer sleeve.

Are you pressing the smaller flange through the bore of the outer sleeve or pressing from the end you just cut off.

(The smaller flange is what I am pressing on to push the outer sleeve out.)

Would you be able to measure what the inside bore of that outer sleeve is once the rubber is removed.  I would like to know and add to my notes.

Joe

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Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation

Just replaced my bushings today with the ones from Pantera East.
Here are the steps:

1) cut off smaller metal flange of the stock bushing with reciprocating saw
2) you can now see the rubber portion of the bushing between the inner and outer sleeves. Drill multiple small holes in the rubber component of the factory bushing, parallel to the long axis. This destroys the integrity of the bushing
3) push out the inner sleeve of the stock bushing. The rubber comes with it
4) coat everything with the silicone grease supplied and slide the urethane portion of the new bushing into the outer sleeve of the stock bushing, which is still in place in the A arm
5) slide the inner sleeve of the new bushing into place

Literally takes maybe 10 minutes per bushing.

That's it.  No special tools or press needed, no danger of messing up the fairly frail A arm

I ordered another set to have on hand.

Jim Oddie

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   Is Pantera East still around and selling these bushings any longer?
   Seems like a good approach but I couldn't find them on the net.

   Mike Drew:  you mentioned that you didn't think it was a good way to go
   but didn't elaborate.  I can't see why it would be any different than
   using poly bushings which replace the entire OEM bushing.

   I still have OEM bushing but at some point will need to replace them :
   )

   Mike Reilly

     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 10:18:05 AM
   To: julian_kift at hotmail.com
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings
   installation

   I guess the critical question is whether one has an hydraulic press and
   the exact sizes of sockets or whatever.
   I don't and I don't like to have random machine shop guys have the
   opportunity to mess up my A arms
   The Pantera East bushings have been in place for 14 years and don't
   squeak. I have never greased them.
   The other point is that leaving the old outer sleeve in place
   strengthens the structure.
   If you use the stock rubber bushings, you should torque down the A arm
   bolts with the suspension in the normal, LOADED position. Otherwise the
   bushing will be under tension constantly
   Jim
   Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
   On Friday, January 19, 2018, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   If you are going down that road, I've got a ford 2.0 pinto engine you
   can have, it's much easier to drop in than a V8 and you'll never notice
   the difference......
   Seriously, the bushings are not hard to do, but you do need a press and
   a sleeve (or old socket) just a tad smaller diameter than the a-arm to
   press directly on the bushing outer, anything that presses on the inner
   or rubber is futile.
   As many options there are in the poly bushings, I still think the oem
   rubber style provide the best ride for a street car and no annual
   greasing required.
   Julian
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 7:33 AM
   To: 'Pantdino'
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings
   installation

   Thanks Jim.

   Sort of now wish I had not started pressing out the outer sleeve.
   Are you pressing the smaller flange through the bore of the outer
   sleeve or pressing from the end you just cut off.
   (The smaller flange is what I am pressing on to push the outer sleeve
   out.)
   Would you be able to measure what the inside bore of that outer sleeve
   is once the rubber is removed.  I would like to know and add to my
   notes.
   Joe
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   Behalf Of Pantdino via DeTomaso
   Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 23:43 PM
   To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; julian_kift at hotmail.com
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera East urethane A arm bushings installation
   Just replaced my bushings today with the ones from Pantera East.
   Here are the steps:
   1) cut off smaller metal flange of the stock bushing with reciprocating
   saw
   2) you can now see the rubber portion of the bushing between the inner
   and outer sleeves. Drill multiple small holes in the rubber component
   of the factory bushing, parallel to the long axis. This destroys the
   integrity of the bushing
   3) push out the inner sleeve of the stock bushing. The rubber comes
   with it
   4) coat everything with the silicone grease supplied and slide the
   urethane portion of the new bushing into the outer sleeve of the stock
   bushing, which is still in place in the A arm
   5) slide the inner sleeve of the new bushing into place
   Literally takes maybe 10 minutes per bushing.
   That's it.  No special tools or press needed, no danger of messing up
   the fairly frail A arm
   I ordered another set to have on hand.
   Jim Oddie
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