[DeTomaso] 11k mile 74 Pantera for sale
Mike Drew
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Wed Jan 17 01:10:35 EST 2018
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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 14:31, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I thought the rolling chassis was to be built in South Africa, which means it would be admissible under current regulations the same as Superformace etc.? There are ways around the engine and transaxle fitment where the rolling chassis is shipped to an approved installer e.g. Olthoff Racing is the go to shop for Superformance GT40's.
Julian, you are talking about a kit car. This is not a kit car project.
The kit car rules have the car sold through a dealer uncompleted, then sent to an installer who conducts the drivetrain etc installation.
This is a completely different set of circumstances. This is a low-volume, turn-key car, which would only be possible thanks to a new set of state (and federal?) statutes.
>
> >I also thought the bill was a House Initiative not a CA State bill, so why not build it outside CA?
>>>That’s an excellent question? Apparently the feds created the law but it’s up to the states to write regs to implement it.
>
> >The other puzzling aspect is the latest report of patent filing on the design of a GT5S, that's complete BS, there's nothing new and novel about a design that was in production 25 years ago.
>
>>>Agreed. However (Ken the patent attorney needs to weigh in here) I think a manufacturer needs to keep a patent active, or after some period of time it slips into disuse and somebody else can reestablish it for themselves?
>
> >The only positive I see is that maybe by waiting they will realize that they should be building an Si replica, which is now 25 years old and would comply with the new regulation. That would offer a vehicle that is out of reach to more people due to exceptionally low production volume, whereas I would still drop $250K on a GT5S over $300K on a replica of it, to think that is a viable business model is asinine. BTW the low volume bill really isn't as big a deal as first made out as it only covers 'replicas' and of a vehicle built more than '25 years ago' so does nothing for small volume modern supercars like the Superlite SLC / Ultima and plethora of high performance kits that don't mirror a vintage vehicle. It simply legaleezes an industry that already exists.
>
>>>That is where you are exactly wrong. The statutes you are referring to are for replicas of existing designs. The new laws are for new clean-sheet cars. There are something like 25-30 different companies trying to bring out new designs in accordance with this law. The Superlite, Ultima etc could be among them....
It’s possible they are trying to patent the GT5-S shape for that reason. My this reasoning, it would then be a new car and not a replica of an existing car?
Ken?
Mike
>
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:04 AM
> To: Himes, Terry (397C)
> Cc: Mike Drew; DeTomaso Mail List; Jay Stewart; Garth Rodericks
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 11k mile 74 Pantera for sale
>
> I talk with Tom Kim fairly regularly. Cal Air Resources hasn’t converted the HR I’ll into Regulation. My sense is they’re in no hurry.
>
> > On Jan 16, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >
> > What California bureaucracy???
> >
> >
> >
> > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> >
> > Terry W. Himes
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> >
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> > On 1/16/18, 10:09 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > It’s on indefinite hold, supposedly due to California bureaucracy. It’s on hold for at least a year.
> >
> > I’m not holding my breath for it ever materializing.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
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> >> On Jan 15, 2018, at 11:27, Charles G. Zaroulis <charles.zaroulis at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Is there any information when the Hong Kong DeTomaso will begin
> >> production in South Africa & when sales will start?
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> >> On Jan 15, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
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> >>
> >> Just the messenger...
> >> 1974 Red DeTomaso Pantera for sale at Corvette Mike's - Ad states
> >> "very
> >> original with only 11,500 miles!" And, it's priced accordingly!
> >> [1][2]https://corvettemike.com/used-corvettes-for-sale/1974-red-de-to
> >> maso-
> >> pantera/
> >> Cheers!
> >> Garth
> >> #4033
> >> References
> >> 1.
> >> [3]https://corvettemike.com/used-corvettes-for-sale/1974-red-de-tomaso-
> >> pantera/
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On Jan 16, 2018, at 14:31, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
I thought the rolling chassis was to be built in South Africa, which
means it would be admissible under current regulations the same as
Superformace etc.? There are ways around the engine and transaxle
fitment where the rolling chassis is shipped to an approved installer
e.g. Olthoff Racing is the go to shop for Superformance GT40's.
Julian, you are talking about a kit car. This is not a kit car
project.
The kit car rules have the car sold through a dealer uncompleted, then
sent to an installer who conducts the drivetrain etc installation.
This is a completely different set of circumstances. This is a
low-volume, turn-key car, which would only be possible thanks to a new
set of state (and federal?) statutes.
>I also thought the bill was a House Initiative not a CA State bill, so
why not build it outside CA?
>>>That's an excellent question? Apparently the feds created the law
but it's up to the states to write regs to implement it.
>The other puzzling aspect is the latest report of patent filing on the
design of a GT5S, that's complete BS, there's nothing new and novel
about a design that was in production 25 years ago.
>>>Agreed. However (Ken the patent attorney needs to weigh in here) I
think a manufacturer needs to keep a patent active, or after some
period of time it slips into disuse and somebody else can reestablish
it for themselves?
>The only positive I see is that maybe by waiting they will realize
that they should be building an Si replica, which is now 25 years old
and would comply with the new regulation. That would offer a vehicle
that is out of reach to more people due to exceptionally low production
volume, whereas I would still drop $250K on a GT5S over $300K on a
replica of it, to think that is a viable business model is asinine. BTW
the low volume bill really isn't as big a deal as first made out as it
only covers 'replicas' and of a vehicle built more than '25 years ago'
so does nothing for small volume modern supercars like the Superlite
SLC / Ultima and plethora of high performance kits that don't mirror a
vintage vehicle. It simply legaleezes an industry that already exists.
>>>That is where you are exactly wrong. The statutes you are referring
to are for replicas of existing designs. The new laws are for new
clean-sheet cars. There are something like 25-30 different companies
trying to bring out new designs in accordance with this law. The
Superlite, Ultima etc could be among them....
It's possible they are trying to patent the GT5-S shape for that
reason. My this reasoning, it would then be a new car and not a replica
of an existing car?
Ken?
Mike
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From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:04 AM
To: Himes, Terry (397C)
Cc: Mike Drew; DeTomaso Mail List; Jay Stewart; Garth Rodericks
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 11k mile 74 Pantera for sale
I talk with Tom Kim fairly regularly. Cal Air Resources hasn't
converted the HR I'll into Regulation. My sense is they're in no
hurry.
> On Jan 16, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
<[4]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> What California bureaucracy???
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
>
>
> On 1/16/18, 10:09 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
<[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> It's on indefinite hold, supposedly due to California bureaucracy.
It's on hold for at least a year.
>
> I'm not holding my breath for it ever materializing.....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 11:27, Charles G. Zaroulis
<[8]charles.zaroulis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is there any information when the Hong Kong DeTomaso will begin
>> production in South Africa & when sales will start?
>>
>> DISCLAIMER NOTICE: This message and any accompanying attachments
>> contain information
>> from CHARLES G. ZAROULIS, M. D. that is confidential or privileged.
The
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>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
>> <[1][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just the messenger...
>> 1974 Red DeTomaso Pantera for sale at Corvette Mike's - Ad states
>> "very
>> original with only 11,500 miles!" And, it's priced accordingly!
>>
[1][2][10]https://corvettemike.com/used-corvettes-for-sale/1974-red-de-
to
>> maso-
>> pantera/
>> Cheers!
>> Garth
>> #4033
>> References
>> 1.
>>
[3][11]https://corvettemike.com/used-corvettes-for-sale/1974-red-de-tom
aso-
>> pantera/
>>
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