[DeTomaso] GTS sells at Mecum

Sun Jan 14 21:38:47 EST 2018

We will see.....

CheersBill MooreCalgary 403-860-4300
-------- Original message --------From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Date: 2018-01-14  7:36 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, Admin at DeTomasoRegistry.org Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GTS sells at Mecum 
Julian,

Interesting. 

Places like Gooding and Bonhams cater to a high-end crowd and are the best venues for a good, original, stock or stock-ish De Tomaso. 

BJ, Mecum, Russo & Steele etc cater more towards the knuckle-dragger hot-rod set, and would be a better venue for the modified cars. 

I think the people who consigned good stock cars to those latter outfits likely made a big mistake. Perhaps so big that a wise man flush with cash could get a screaming deal in Scottsdale in January and make a hefty profit in Monterey in August, selling in a more appropriate venue. 

Mike

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> On Jan 14, 2018, at 15:22, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> AS much as we all hate to hear it, perhaps it is nothing to do with the color, but a softening market for our cars? 
> 
> By example the Embo bodied 9000 series '79 GTS that has been on eBay has had a maximum bid of $82K over a number of repeat listings. It's a collectible car with all the Euro traits and 10" wheels etc.
> 
> It's Scottsdale auction this coming  week, that may be an interesting watermark to see where prices really are;
> 
> Barrett-Jackson has five Pantera's on the docket;
> VIN#4843 GT5 conversion; https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-212512
> VIN# 1632; https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-PANTERA-DE-TOMASO-COUPE-213735
> VIN#7219, 74 GTS; https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-GTS-212534
> VIN#6711; https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-L-211790
> VIN#5885; https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-GTS-212817
> 
> Then there is the GT5S #9547 at Gooding & Co., with an estimate of $300-400K
> https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1989-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/
> 
> Russo & Steele has two;
> https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=170929&current_index=0&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
> https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=169834&current_index=1&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
> 
> Bonhams don't show any.
> 
> Julian
> 
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:28 PM
> To: De Tomaso Forum
> Subject: [DeTomaso] GTS sells at Mecum
>  
> Hi guys,
> 
> A sub-9k mile USA GTS sold today at Mecum for $105k, well under $125-150k estimate. Amazingly somebody made the decision to repaint it resale red which probably explains it. Had it been original color it probably would have been closer to $125k, and if it had been the original paint, in good shape, closer to $150k....
> 
> Lot S224....
> 
> Mike
> 
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   Julian,

   Interesting.

   Places like Gooding and Bonhams cater to a high-end crowd and are the
   best venues for a good, original, stock or stock-ish De Tomaso.

   BJ, Mecum, Russo & Steele etc cater more towards the knuckle-dragger
   hot-rod set, and would be a better venue for the modified cars.

   I think the people who consigned good stock cars to those latter
   outfits likely made a big mistake. Perhaps so big that a wise man flush
   with cash could get a screaming deal in Scottsdale in January and make
   a hefty profit in Monterey in August, selling in a more appropriate
   venue.

   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   On Jan 14, 2018, at 15:22, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

   Mike,

   AS much as we all hate to hear it, perhaps it is nothing to do with the
   color, but a softening market for our cars?

   By example the Embo bodied 9000 series '79 GTS that has been on eBay
   has had a maximum bid of $82K over a number of repeat listings. It's a
   collectible car with all the Euro traits and 10" wheels etc.

   It's Scottsdale auction this coming  week, that may be an interesting
   watermark to see where prices really are;

   Barrett-Jackson has five Pantera's on the docket;

   VIN#4843 GT5
   conversion; [2]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/197
   3-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-212512
   VIN#
   1632; [3]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-PANT
   ERA-DE-TOMASO-COUPE-213735

   VIN#7219, 74
   GTS; [4]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TO
   MASO-PANTERA-GTS-212534

   VIN#6711; [5]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-
   DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-L-211790
   VIN#5885; [6]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-
   DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-GTS-212817

   Then there is the GT5S #9547 at Gooding & Co., with an estimate of
   $300-400K

   [7]https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1989-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/
   Russo & Steele has two;
   [8]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=170929&curr
   ent_index=0&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&se
   arch_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
   [9]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=169834&curr
   ent_index=1&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&se
   arch_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
   Bonhams don't show any.
   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:28 PM
   To: De Tomaso Forum
   Subject: [DeTomaso] GTS sells at Mecum

   Hi guys,
   A sub-9k mile USA GTS sold today at Mecum for $105k, well under
   $125-150k estimate. Amazingly somebody made the decision to repaint it
   resale red which probably explains it. Had it been original color it
   probably would have been closer to $125k, and if it had been the
   original paint, in good shape, closer to $150k....
   Lot S224....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
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References

   1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   2. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-212512
   3. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-PANTERA-DE-TOMASO-COUPE-213735
   4. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-GTS-212534
   5. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-L-211790
   6. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-GTS-212817
   7. https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1989-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/
   8. https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=170929&current_index=0&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
   9. https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=169834&current_index=1&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
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   Cheers

   Bill Moore

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   -------- Original message --------
   From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Date: 2018-01-14 7:36 PM (GMT-07:00)
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, Admin at DeTomasoRegistry.org
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] GTS sells at Mecum

   Julian,
   Interesting.
   Places like Gooding and Bonhams cater to a high-end crowd and are the
   best venues for a good, original, stock or stock-ish De Tomaso.
   BJ, Mecum, Russo & Steele etc cater more towards the knuckle-dragger
   hot-rod set, and would be a better venue for the modified cars.
   I think the people who consigned good stock cars to those latter
   outfits likely made a big mistake. Perhaps so big that a wise man flush
   with cash could get a screaming deal in Scottsdale in January and make
   a hefty profit in Monterey in August, selling in a more appropriate
   venue.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Jan 14, 2018, at 15:22, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > Mike,
   >
   > AS much as we all hate to hear it, perhaps it is nothing to do with
   the color, but a softening market for our cars?
   >
   > By example the Embo bodied 9000 series '79 GTS that has been on eBay
   has had a maximum bid of $82K over a number of repeat listings. It's a
   collectible car with all the Euro traits and 10" wheels etc.
   >
   > It's Scottsdale auction this coming  week, that may be an interesting
   watermark to see where prices really are;
   >
   > Barrett-Jackson has five Pantera's on the docket;
   > VIN#4843 GT5 conversion;
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PAN
   TERA-212512
   > VIN# 1632;
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-PANTERA-DE-TO
   MASO-COUPE-213735
   > VIN#7219, 74 GTS;
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TOMASO-PAN
   TERA-GTS-212534
   > VIN#6711;
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TOMASO-PAN
   TERA-L-211790
   > VIN#5885;
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PAN
   TERA-GTS-212817
   >
   > Then there is the GT5S #9547 at Gooding & Co., with an estimate of
   $300-400K
   > https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1989-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/
   >
   > Russo & Steele has two;
   >
   https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=170929&current
   _index=0&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&searc
   h_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
   >
   https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=169834&current
   _index=1&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&searc
   h_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
   >
   > Bonhams don't show any.
   >
   > Julian
   >
   > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:28 PM
   > To: De Tomaso Forum
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] GTS sells at Mecum
   >
   > Hi guys,
   >
   > A sub-9k mile USA GTS sold today at Mecum for $105k, well under
   $125-150k estimate. Amazingly somebody made the decision to repaint it
   resale red which probably explains it. Had it been original color it
   probably would have been closer to $125k, and if it had been the
   original paint, in good shape, closer to $150k....
   >
   > Lot S224....
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPad
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   >
   >
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      Julian,
      Interesting.
      Places like Gooding and Bonhams cater to a high-end crowd and are
   the
      best venues for a good, original, stock or stock-ish De Tomaso.
      BJ, Mecum, Russo & Steele etc cater more towards the knuckle-dragger
      hot-rod set, and would be a better venue for the modified cars.
      I think the people who consigned good stock cars to those latter
      outfits likely made a big mistake. Perhaps so big that a wise man
   flush
      with cash could get a screaming deal in Scottsdale in January and
   make
      a hefty profit in Monterey in August, selling in a more appropriate
      venue.
      Mike
      Sent from my iPad
      On Jan 14, 2018, at 15:22, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      wrote:
      Mike,
      AS much as we all hate to hear it, perhaps it is nothing to do with
   the
      color, but a softening market for our cars?
      By example the Embo bodied 9000 series '79 GTS that has been on eBay
      has had a maximum bid of $82K over a number of repeat listings. It's
   a
      collectible car with all the Euro traits and 10" wheels etc.
      It's Scottsdale auction this coming  week, that may be an
   interesting
      watermark to see where prices really are;
      Barrett-Jackson has five Pantera's on the docket;
      VIN#4843 GT5
      conversion;
   [2]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/197
      3-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-212512
      VIN#
      1632;
   [3]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-PANT
      ERA-DE-TOMASO-COUPE-213735
      VIN#7219, 74
      GTS;
   [4]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TO
      MASO-PANTERA-GTS-212534
      VIN#6711;
   [5]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-
      DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-L-211790
      VIN#5885;
   [6]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-
      DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-GTS-212817
      Then there is the GT5S #9547 at Gooding & Co., with an estimate of
      $300-400K
      [7]https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1989-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/
      Russo & Steele has two;

   [8]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=170929&curr

   ent_index=0&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&se
      arch_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1

   [9]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=169834&curr

   ent_index=1&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&se
      arch_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
      Bonhams don't show any.
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: DeTomaso <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
      of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:28 PM
      To: De Tomaso Forum
      Subject: [DeTomaso] GTS sells at Mecum
      Hi guys,
      A sub-9k mile USA GTS sold today at Mecum for $105k, well under
      $125-150k estimate. Amazingly somebody made the decision to repaint
   it
      resale red which probably explains it. Had it been original color it
      probably would have been closer to $125k, and if it had been the
      original paint, in good shape, closer to $150k....
      Lot S224....
      Mike
      Sent from my iPad
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   References
      1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
      2.
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PAN
   TERA-212512
      3.
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-PANTERA-DE-TO
   MASO-COUPE-213735
      4.
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TOMASO-PAN
   TERA-GTS-212534
      5.
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1974-DE-TOMASO-PAN
   TERA-L-211790
      6.
   https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PAN
   TERA-GTS-212817
      7. https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1989-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/
      8.
   https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=170929&current
   _index=0&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&searc
   h_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
      9.
   https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=169834&current
   _index=1&total_results=2&tsauction_id=197&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&searc
   h_text=pantera&page=featured&showpage=1
     10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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