[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 163, Issue 13. Orange cars
Scott davis
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Sun Jan 14 13:43:12 EST 2018
Could there have been a special edition orange car for the 1973/74 Camel GT pace car and advertising
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> 1. Re Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind
> the windows into air scoops? (Tomas Gunnarsson)
> 2. Re: Special Orange Cars (audionut at hushmail.com)
> 3. Re: Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind
> the windows into air scoops? (audionut at hushmail.com)
> 4. Re: Mecum Kissimmee auction (Pantdino)
> 5. Re: Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind
> the windows into air scoops? (jderyke at aol.com)
> 6. Re: Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind
> the windows into air scoops? (Sean Korb)
> 7. Re: Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind
> the windows into air scoops? (Julian Kift)
> 8. GTS sells at Mecum (Mike Drew)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:47:14 -0800
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> To: <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
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> Behind the gill is a body panel of solid metal. Break through it and
> you're in the wheel well or on top of the gas tank. Next step is to
> break through the metal panel between wheel well and engine bay. Tomas
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> Behind the gill is a body panel of solid metal. Break through it and
> you're in the wheel well or on top of the gas tank. Next step is to
> break through the metal panel between wheel well and engine bay. Tomas
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:45:15 -0800
> From: audionut at hushmail.com
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Special Orange Cars
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> Hmmmm...... that might explain the orange Pantera with "01" on the
> side I saw last year-- it was flying through the air, jumping over a
> cop car in rural Georgia.
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> On 1/12/2018 at 12:28 PM, "Stephen Nelson" wrote:Was just talking to
> a guy about his dads car - he explained that it was a very special,
> limited edition car - only 11 made, painted orange, with the cars
> number painted on the side. OK, sounds a little odd to me, in that he
> also claimed the all of the Panteras were built for racing, so would
> expect to have the number anyway.
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> NTL - did Detomaso make a special run of 11 orange cars with their
> numbers on the doors?
>
> Stephen 5332
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> Hmmmm...... that might explain the orange Pantera with "01" on the side
> I saw last year-- it was flying through the air, jumping over a cop
> car in rural Georgia.
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> On 1/12/2018 at 12:28 PM, "Stephen Nelson" <steve at snclocks.com> wrote:
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> Was just talking to a guy about his dads car - he explained that it
> was a very special, limited edition car - only 11 made, painted
> orange, with the cars number painted on the side. OK, sounds a
> little odd to me, in that he also claimed the all of the Panteras
> were built for racing, so would expect to have the number anyway.
> NTL - did Detomaso make a special run of 11 orange cars with their
> numbers on the doors?
> Stephen 5332
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> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 11:51:03 -0800
> From: audionut at hushmail.com
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
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> Don't do it! = ]
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> On 1/12/2018 at 3:37 PM, "Ken Green via DeTomaso" wrote:It seems like
> the aluminum grills are styled like scoops. If that area is opened
> up, and horizontal fins are made that provide the same appearance as
> the grills, seems like the original look is preserved? Maybe a clear
> scoop over the fins?
> Ken
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> Don't do it!
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> = ]
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> On 1/12/2018 at 3:37 PM, "Ken Green via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
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> It seems like the aluminum grills are styled like scoops. If that
> area is opened up, and horizontal fins are made that provide the
> same appearance as the grills, seems like the original look is
> preserved? Maybe a clear scoop over the fins?
> Ken
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:14:56 -0500
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com, gt40 at sbcglobal.net, MikeLDrew at aol.com,
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Cc: tcabanski at tencom.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mecum Kissimmee auction
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> If you have nothing else to do in life but go to auctions, you can get some really good deals.
>
>
> I assume that's how dealers get cars to sell at a nice profit and stay in business
>
>
> Jim
>
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> Cc: Tom Cabanski <tcabanski at tencom.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 8:15 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mecum Kissimmee auction
>
> We did? I totally missed that.
>
> So we have the yellow almost stock '72 at $53.900 (inc. commission),
> a yellow '73 GT5 clone with additional mods that goes for $74,800 and
> tops the real '85 GT5 at $74,250. That's insane!
>
> It will have to have a knock on effect, what are sales prices like on
> other classic cars at Mecum this year, is the market down or are
> Pantera's out of favor?
>
> Still to come later today is Lot S224 a US GTS .
>
> Julian
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
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> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:20 PM
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> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Tom Cabanski
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mecum Kissimmee auction
>
> Oh, wait, duh, we already talked about that.
> Duh. Never mind!
> Mike
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>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 22:18, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
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>> 3594 also sold there for $49k....
>>
>> Mike
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>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 21:21, <gt40 at sbcglobal.net> <gt40 at sbcglobal.net>
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>>> OK, it's over the top - and the hurst shifter handle makes me want
> to puke, but... Damn! I'd have bought that car in 2 seconds for that
> price!!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Tom Cabanski
>>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:01 PM
>>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Mecum Kissimmee auction
>>>
>>> Black '85 sold for incredible $67,500.
>>>
>>> [1]https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/
> [2][01-1510244748139 at 2x.jpg?1512013034000]
> [3]1985 DeTomaso Pantera | F113 | Kissimmee 2018
> www.mecum.com
> This 1985 DeTomaso Pantera was bought new in March of 1985 in Le Mans,
> France--minus an engine or interior--by a gentleman notable for owning
> and operating about ...
>>>
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> 2. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/
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> If you have nothing else to do in life but go to auctions, you can get
> some really good deals.
>
> I assume that's how dealers get cars to sell at a nice profit and stay
> in business
>
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: gt40 <gt40 at sbcglobal.net>; Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; detomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Cc: Tom Cabanski <tcabanski at tencom.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 8:15 am
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mecum Kissimmee auction
> We did? I totally missed that.
> So we have the yellow almost stock '72 at $53.900 (inc. commission),
> a yellow '73 GT5 clone with additional mods that goes for $74,800 and
> tops the real '85 GT5 at $74,250. That's insane!
> It will have to have a knock on effect, what are sales prices like on
> other classic cars at Mecum this year, is the market down or are
> Pantera's out of favor?
> Still to come later today is Lot S224 a US GTS .
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 10:20 PM
> To: [3]gt40 at sbcglobal.net
> Cc: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Tom Cabanski
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Mecum Kissimmee auction
> Oh, wait, duh, we already talked about that.
> Duh. Never mind!
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 22:18, Mike Drew <[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> 3594 also sold there for $49k....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 21:21, <[6]gt40 at sbcglobal.net>
> <[7]gt40 at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, it's over the top - and the hurst shifter handle makes me want
> to puke, but... Damn! I'd have bought that car in 2 seconds for that
> price!!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Tom Cabanski
>>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 12:01 PM
>>> To: [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Mecum Kissimmee auction
>>>
>>> Black '85 sold for incredible $67,500.
>>>
>>>
> [1][9]https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/
> [2][01-[10]1510244748139 at 2x.jpg?1512013034000]
> [3]1985 DeTomaso Pantera | F113 | Kissimmee 2018
> [11]www.mecum.com
> This 1985 DeTomaso Pantera was bought new in March of 1985 in Le Mans,
> France--minus an engine or interior--by a gentleman notable for owning
> and operating about ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> 2. [19]https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/
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> 9. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/
> 10. mailto:1510244748139 at 2x.jpg
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> 18. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/
> 19. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/
> 20. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0118-312581/1985-detomaso-pantera/
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> 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 17:09:49 -0500
> From: jderyke at aol.com
> To: rgg at gregorycook.com, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> Message-ID: <160f1925e23-1720-6967b at webjas-vac205.srv.aolmail.net>
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> Like this one that I think was what Julian referred to? It reminds me of Lambo Miura gills- which are non-functional just like the Pantera, and for the same reasons. Lots of work, too.
> FWIW- J Deryke
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 5:03 am
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:12 AM
> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> Ken,
>
> What are you trying to accomplish? Better air flow in the engine bay? A source of cool air to the intake? Or a ram air effect?
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:09 AM
> To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>; julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> I was thinking that a clear scoop over horizontal fins would not alter the appearance nearly as much as the big ears?? From the side, it might not be distinguishable.? I like the original look so much that the big ears replacing the windows just won't work for me.
> Maybe even taper the triangular windows in slightly to pull in the boundary layer (admittedly not simple).
> Ken
>
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> I thought photos show air coming OUT of those grill areas when they are opened up.? To get air to go IN you have to put on huge scoops that stick out past the boundary layer of the car, no?
> Jim?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> Something similar has been done, I recall seeing photos on the PI forum. IIRC it incorporated the side window in the design, as opening that area up under the gills for air flow requires significant body work.
>
> Julian
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> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:37 PM
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> It seems like the aluminum grills are styled like scoops. If that area is opened up, and horizontal fins are made that provide the same appearance as the grills, seems like the original look is preserved?
> Maybe a clear scoop over the fins?
> Ken
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> Like this one that I think was what Julian referred to? It reminds me
> of Lambo Miura gills- which are non-functional just like the Pantera,
> and for the same reasons. Lots of work, too.
> FWIW- J Deryke
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 5:03 am
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills
> behind the windows into air scoops?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:12 AM
> To: 'Ken Green' <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> Ken,
> What are you trying to accomplish? Better air flow in the engine bay? A
> source of cool air to the intake? Or a ram air effect?
> Gray
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:09 AM
> To: Pantdino <[3]pantdino at aol.com>; [4]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
> [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> I was thinking that a clear scoop over horizontal fins would not alter
> the appearance nearly as much as the big ears? From the side, it might
> not be distinguishable. I like the original look so much that the big
> ears replacing the windows just won't work for me.
> Maybe even taper the triangular windows in slightly to pull in the
> boundary layer (admittedly not simple).
> Ken
> From: Pantdino <[6]pantdino at aol.com>
> To: [7]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [8]kenn_green at yahoo.com;
> [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> I thought photos show air coming OUT of those grill areas when they are
> opened up. To get air to go IN you have to put on huge scoops that
> stick out past the boundary layer of the car, no?
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Ken Green <[11]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso
> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> Something similar has been done, I recall seeing photos on the PI
> forum. IIRC it incorporated the side window in the design, as opening
> that area up under the gills for air flow requires significant body
> work.
> Julian
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills
> behind the windows into air scoops?
> It seems like the aluminum grills are styled like scoops. If that area
> is opened up, and horizontal fins are made that provide the same
> appearance as the grills, seems like the original look is preserved?
> Maybe a clear scoop over the fins?
> Ken
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> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 18:02:14 -0500
> From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
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> I'm pretty satisfied with the stock arrangement on the Pantera and Miura
> but... I'm completely obsessed with the LP400 prototype and the scoops that
> were haphazardly festooned upon it until it would stop overheating. I see
> Fiero kits pretty regularly and it's almost enough for me to pull the
> trigger on so I can remove all that gear and return it to it's smooth and
> simple blister look.
>
> Knowing what we do about the low pressure turbulent air on the Pantera at
> the sugar scoop... enough to raise the heavy deck a few inches at high
> speed, I'm convinced that the engine cover grills on the LP004 were
> functional and the radiator would have worked just fine without the
> additional scoops. Just... you know... don't wire the fans backwards :)
>
> sean
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> Like this one that I think was what Julian referred to? It reminds me
>> of Lambo Miura gills- which are non-functional just like the Pantera,
>> and for the same reasons. Lots of work, too.
>> FWIW- J Deryke
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
>> To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 5:03 am
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills
>> behind the windows into air scoops?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gray Gregory
>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:12 AM
>> To: 'Ken Green' <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
>> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>> Ken,
>> What are you trying to accomplish? Better air flow in the engine bay? A
>> source of cool air to the intake? Or a ram air effect?
>> Gray
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:09 AM
>> To: Pantdino <[3]pantdino at aol.com>; [4]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
>> [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
>> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>> I was thinking that a clear scoop over horizontal fins would not alter
>> the appearance nearly as much as the big ears? From the side, it might
>> not be distinguishable. I like the original look so much that the big
>> ears replacing the windows just won't work for me.
>> Maybe even taper the triangular windows in slightly to pull in the
>> boundary layer (admittedly not simple).
>> Ken
>> From: Pantdino <[6]pantdino at aol.com>
>> To: [7]julian_kift at hotmail.com; [8]kenn_green at yahoo.com;
>> [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
>> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>> I thought photos show air coming OUT of those grill areas when they are
>> opened up. To get air to go IN you have to put on huge scoops that
>> stick out past the boundary layer of the car, no?
>> Jim
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julian Kift <[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> To: Ken Green <[11]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso
>> <[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:02 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
>> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>> Something similar has been done, I recall seeing photos on the PI
>> forum. IIRC it incorporated the side window in the design, as opening
>> that area up under the gills for air flow requires significant body
>> work.
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[13]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
>> of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:37 PM
>> To: DeTomaso Mail List
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills
>> behind the windows into air scoops?
>> It seems like the aluminum grills are styled like scoops. If that area
>> is opened up, and horizontal fins are made that provide the same
>> appearance as the grills, seems like the original look is preserved?
>> Maybe a clear scoop over the fins?
>> Ken
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> I'm pretty satisfied with the stock arrangement on the Pantera and
> Miura but... I'm completely obsessed with the LP400 prototype and the
> scoops that were haphazardly festooned upon it until it would stop
> overheating.A I see Fiero kits pretty regularly and it's almost enough
> for me to pull the trigger on so I can remove all that gear and return
> it to it's smooth and simple blister look.
> Knowing what we do about the low pressure turbulent air on the Pantera
> at the sugar scoop... enough to raise the heavy deck a few inches at
> high speed, I'm convinced that the engine cover grills on the LP004
> were functional and the radiator would have worked just fine without
> the additional scoops.A Just... you know... don't wire the fans
> backwards :)
> sean
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 5:09 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> A A Like this one that I think was what Julian referred to? It
> reminds me
> A A of Lambo Miura gills- which are non-functional just like the
> Pantera,
> A A and for the same reasons. Lots of work, too.
> A A FWIW- J Deryke
> A A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: Gray Gregory <[2]rgg at gregorycook.com>
> A A To: detomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Sent: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 5:03 am
> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills
> A A behind the windows into air scoops?
> A A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: Gray Gregory
> A A Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:12 AM
> A A To: 'Ken Green' <[1][4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the
> aluminum
> A A grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> A A Ken,
> A A What are you trying to accomplish? Better air flow in the
> engine bay? A
> A A source of cool air to the intake? Or a ram air effect?
> A A Gray
> A A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@
> server.detomasolist.com] On
> A A Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> A A Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:09 AM
> A A To: Pantdino <[3][6]pantdino at aol.com>;
> [4][7]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
> A A [5][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the
> aluminum
> A A grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> A A I was thinking that a clear scoop over horizontal fins would
> not alter
> A A the appearance nearly as much as the big ears?A From the side,
> it might
> A A not be distinguishable.A I like the original look so much that
> the big
> A A ears replacing the windows just won't work for me.
> A A Maybe even taper the triangular windows in slightly to pull in
> the
> A A boundary layer (admittedly not simple).
> A A Ken
> A A From: Pantdino <[6][9]pantdino at aol.com>
> A A To: [7][10]julian_kift at hotmail.com;
> [8][11]kenn_green at yahoo.com;
> A A [9][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> A A Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:46 PM
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the
> aluminum
> A A grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> A A I thought photos show air coming OUT of those grill areas when
> they are
> A A opened up.A To get air to go IN you have to put on huge scoops
> that
> A A stick out past the boundary layer of the car, no?
> A A Jim
> A A -----Original Message-----
> A A From: Julian Kift <[10][13]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> A A To: Ken Green <[11][14]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso
> A A <[12][15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> A A Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:02 pm
> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the
> aluminum
> A A grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> A A Something similar has been done, I recall seeing photos on the
> PI
> A A forum. IIRC it incorporated the side window in the design, as
> opening
> A A that area up under the gills for air flow requires significant
> body
> A A work.
> A A Julian
> A A ____________________________________________________________
> ______
> A A From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[13][16]bounces at server.
> detomasolist.com> on behalf
> A A of Ken Green via DeTomaso <[14][17]detomaso at server.
> detomasolist.com>
> A A Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:37 PM
> A A To: DeTomaso Mail List
> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills
> A A behind the windows into air scoops?
> A A It seems like the aluminum grills are styled like scoops. If
> that area
> A A is opened up, and horizontal fins are made that provide the
> same
> A A appearance as the grills, seems like the original look is
> preserved?
> A A Maybe a clear scoop over the fins?
> A A Ken
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:31:26 +0000
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: "rgg at gregorycook.com" <rgg at gregorycook.com>, "jderyke at aol.com"
> <jderyke at aol.com>, 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>,
> "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
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> After a little searching I found what I was thinking of when Ken referred to a functional side scoop gill;
>
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> [cid:f1942570-c172-4ee7-a4fa-c354bcd65e4c]
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>
>
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 2:09 PM
> To: rgg at gregorycook.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> Like this one that I think was what Julian referred to? It reminds me of Lambo Miura gills- which are non-functional just like the Pantera, and for the same reasons. Lots of work, too.
> FWIW- J Deryke
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 5:03 am
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:12 AM
> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> Ken,
>
> What are you trying to accomplish? Better air flow in the engine bay? A source of cool air to the intake? Or a ram air effect?
>
> Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:09 AM
> To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>; julian_kift at hotmail.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> I was thinking that a clear scoop over horizontal fins would not alter the appearance nearly as much as the big ears? From the side, it might not be distinguishable. I like the original look so much that the big ears replacing the windows just won't work for me.
> Maybe even taper the triangular windows in slightly to pull in the boundary layer (admittedly not simple).
> Ken
>
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> I thought photos show air coming OUT of those grill areas when they are opened up. To get air to go IN you have to put on huge scoops that stick out past the boundary layer of the car, no?
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> Something similar has been done, I recall seeing photos on the PI forum. IIRC it incorporated the side window in the design, as opening that area up under the gills for air flow requires significant body work.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:37 PM
> To: DeTomaso Mail List
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> It seems like the aluminum grills are styled like scoops. If that area is opened up, and horizontal fins are made that provide the same appearance as the grills, seems like the original look is preserved?
> Maybe a clear scoop over the fins?
> Ken
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> After a little searching I found what I was thinking of when Ken
> referred to a functional side scoop gill;
>
> [cid:f1942570-c172-4ee7-a4fa-c354bcd65e4c]
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 2:09 PM
> To: rgg at gregorycook.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
>
> Like this one that I think was what Julian referred to? It reminds me
> of Lambo Miura gills- which are non-functional just like the Pantera,
> and for the same reasons. Lots of work, too.
> FWIW- J Deryke
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 13, 2018 5:03 am
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills
> behind the windows into air scoops?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 6:12 AM
> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> Ken,
> What are you trying to accomplish? Better air flow in the engine bay? A
> source of cool air to the intake? Or a ram air effect?
> Gray
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:09 AM
> To: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>; julian_kift at hotmail.com;
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> I was thinking that a clear scoop over horizontal fins would not alter
> the appearance nearly as much as the big ears? From the side, it might
> not be distinguishable. I like the original look so much that the big
> ears replacing the windows just won't work for me.
> Maybe even taper the triangular windows in slightly to pull in the
> boundary layer (admittedly not simple).
> Ken
> From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com;
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> I thought photos show air coming OUT of those grill areas when they are
> opened up. To get air to go IN you have to put on huge scoops that
> stick out past the boundary layer of the car, no?
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 12, 2018 4:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum
> grills behind the windows into air scoops?
> Something similar has been done, I recall seeing photos on the PI
> forum. IIRC it incorporated the side window in the design, as opening
> that area up under the gills for air flow requires significant body
> work.
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
> Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 3:37 PM
> To: DeTomaso Mail List
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Anyone looked into converting the aluminum grills
> behind the windows into air scoops?
> It seems like the aluminum grills are styled like scoops. If that area
> is opened up, and horizontal fins are made that provide the same
> appearance as the grills, seems like the original look is preserved?
> Maybe a clear scoop over the fins?
> Ken
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 22:28:15 -0800
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] GTS sells at Mecum
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> Hi guys,
>
> A sub-9k mile USA GTS sold today at Mecum for $105k, well under $125-150k estimate. Amazingly somebody made the decision to repaint it resale red which probably explains it. Had it been original color it probably would have been closer to $125k, and if it had been the original paint, in good shape, closer to $150k....
>
> Lot S224....
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> Mike
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