[DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
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Mon Jan 1 20:17:03 EST 2018
Jeff:Was it a CANADIAN bastard, or a bastard...........?
Just asking.....
CheersBill MooreCalgary
-------- Original message --------From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com> Date: 2018-01-01 5:23 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com> Cc: POCA <detomaso at detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
Thanks for warning people, Jack.
I had a Canadian bastard 20 years ago gave a $11,000 cashiers check for fixing his Jag then drove off back to the S W part of Canada and a week or more later my bank said the customer told the issuing bank that I defrauded him, car was not fixed, Ihad lied and cheated him, it was not drivable and that he was going to sue me.
So the bank stopped payment on the cashiers check!
Why, you must be thinking now ( not possible to stop payment on a cashiers check )- - HELLO YOU CAN, well they issued it with good money on good faith, so they can stop it if bad faith appears to take their customers good money.
ALL WAS NOT TRUE AND THIS BASTARD was able to save $11,000 and never did we hear from each other ever.
He disappeared as the fixed car and my money did.
Tomorrow is an IOU, yesterday is a cancelled check and TODAY IS CASH!
In GOD we trust, all others must pay cash!
Tricksters are smoother, quicker and cooler than you can ever be.
Jeff Cobb
On Aug 8, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the education - but - I am too old school for such a
> scam. Over the years, I've found that trading the pink slip & keys for
> cash is the only way to do business with vehicles - it's always worked
> fine. Seems anything else just opens one up for being screwed. Gary
> Hall's wisdom.
>
> Just sayin'
>
> Jack
>
> #4348
>
> On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:35 PM, [1]audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
>
> - what would the scam be?
> Hi Jack-- Allow me to offer up one scam that I've become familiar
> with.
>
> "Buyer" is a very nice, knowledgeable "gentleman" who lives far away
> (usually an upscale neighborhood), charms you with his car stories and
> how much he loves your car. Once you agree to sell, he quickly sends
> an actual cash deposit straight to your account via Paypal, thus
> suckering you in. His final payment comes as a cashier's check which
> immediately clears the bank, fooling you into surrendering the car to
> the trucker who quickly shows up and loads the car into a semi or other
> such transportation. The check fools the bank for about a month, then
> bounces, leaving you with a payment of however much the Paypal
> "deposit" was for, which is soon refunded back to the buyer by Paypal
> when he claims that you never delivered the car.
>
> Paypal terms stipulate that the buyer's word is enough to justify the
> "refund due to cancelation of transaction". Scammer has paid minimal
> Paypal fees, you have no car and no money and you now must also pay
> Paypal "refund" fees for "canceling the transaction".
>
> Entire scam duration, 1 - 2 months.
> Or, variations on same. The basis upon which this scam works is the
> common bank practice of "holding deposit funds for clearance", usually
> 10 days or more, whenever a deposit is over $10k or so. The bank tells
> you that this is done for your protection, but what is actually
> happening is that the bank takes your big check and lumps it in with
> thousands of other peoples' big checks which collectively amount to
> millions of dollars, puts them all in an interest-bearing account
> overseas and makes a tidy interest sum while everyones' money is being
> "temporarily held inaccessible for your protection". After the "hold
> period" which is typically as long as the customers will bear, they
> transfer your deposit (release the "hold") to your account IF your
> check cleared the foreign bank. Since the whole process takes weeks or
> more for the fraud to be noticed, the scammer succeeds. The bank risks
> nothing by lying to you and telling you that the scammers' fake check
> has cleared.
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> While on the subject of scams-- Here's a doozy:
>
> Bankers are extremely cunning, elegant criminals whose racket is
> parasitic in nature, yet, they know how to operate so as to not kill
> their "host". None of their "policies" benefit anyone but themselves.
> Customers bear all banking risks at all times. They are experts at
> squeezing productive peoples as far as they can without draining them
> dry. Every once in a while they screw it up and suck too much blood
> out of sheer greed and this descends upon the people as "economic
> downturns", recessions, depressions, "bursting market bubbles", "too
> big to fail bailouts" etc. etc. These "explanations" are expertly
> crafted bullshit stories designed to fool us into believing these
> things are "natural economic events" that "just happen". We are led to
> believe that the economy is something far too complex for just anyone
> to comprehend. This is a lie. The simple marketplace, buying and
> selling, has been mis-labeled as a complex "financial system" involving
> all manner of taxation intricacies and infinite financial product
> variables which require high degrees of intelligence to understand. In
> order to perpetuate this lie, volumes of legal nonsense has been
> introduced over time to obfuscate and disguise the fraudulent means by
> which parasitic control is exerted over the marketplace whereby wealth
> is siphoned out the hands of productive peoples and into the hands of
> banks.
>
> There is no question that the banking/credit scam works brilliantly.
> When the bankers get too rich then they start wars, which serve a
> 3-fold purpose: 1) to deplete excess wealth, 2) to facilitate the
> geopolitical goals of the bankers which further consolidate their
> powers, and 3) weaken populations and keep people in states of
> distress which makes them far easier to deceive and control.
>
> Money is never "lent", it is created from nothing (credit) through
> government-approved legislation (so-called "will of the people") which
> amounts to nothing other than legally sanctioned counterfeiting.
>
> The Golden Rule being, "he who has the gold, makes the rules".
>
> We never figure it out, and on and on and on it goes.
>
> Modern banking IS a scam in itself, so it is no small wonder that
> scammers exist in multitudes and that bankers could care less about
> tracking them down and prosecuting them. Apprehending and prosecuting
> scammers is left to law enforcement agencies who generally have limited
> resources and greater priorities than catching these petty crooks who
> generally do not cause permanent or grievous harm.
>
> So what we have is an economic environment, enhanced greatly since the
> internet started, that is perfectly suited for scammers to thrive and
> multiply.
> Sent using Hushmail
> On August 7, 2017 at 9:59 AM, "Jack Donahue" <[2]demongusta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Got it too. Just curious, since I'm not familiar with "scammers" -
> what would the scam be?
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Bobbykart <[3]bobbykart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I got it also, so many internet scams out there
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Dave McManus
> <[4]Dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it is a scam. Very weird. I got it also.
>>> IndyDave
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [[5]mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 11:46 AM
>>> To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
>>>
>>> Possibly another scam.
>>>
>>> Got weird email wanting to buy DeTomaso's Googling the email
> address gets hits from other car forums over the years with similar
> out of the blue.
>>>
>>> " Hello, I apologize for my email! Bob (here in copy) referred me
> to You....." from Tim McDowall And Bob being mbz190slmember
>>>
>>>
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> 2. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
> 3. mailto:bobbykart at gmail.com
> 4. mailto:Dave at damardirect.com
> 5. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
> 6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
> 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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Thanks for warning people, Jack.
I had a Canadian bastard 20 years ago gave a $11,000 cashiers check for
fixing his Jag then drove off back to the S W part of Canada and a week
or more later my bank said the customer told the issuing bank that I
defrauded him, car was not fixed, Ihad lied and cheated him, it was not
drivable and that he was going to sue me.
So the bank stopped payment on the cashiers check!
Why, you must be thinking now ( not possible to stop payment on a
cashiers check )- - HELLO YOU CAN, well they issued it with good money
on good faith, so they can stop it if bad faith appears to take their
customers good money.
ALL WAS NOT TRUE AND THIS BASTARD was able to save $11,000 and never
did we hear from each other ever.
He disappeared as the fixed car and my money did.
Tomorrow is an IOU, yesterday is a cancelled check and TODAY IS CASH!
In GOD we trust, all others must pay cash!
Tricksters are smoother, quicker and cooler than you can ever be.
Jeff Cobb
On Aug 8, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Jack Donahue <[1]demongusta at gmail.com>
wrote:
Thank you for the education - but - I am too old school for such a
scam. Over the years, I've found that trading the pink slip & keys
for
cash is the only way to do business with vehicles - it's always
worked
fine. Seems anything else just opens one up for being screwed.
Gary
Hall's wisdom.
Just sayin'
Jack
#4348
On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:35 PM, [1][2]audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
- what would the scam be?
Hi Jack-- Allow me to offer up one scam that I've become familiar
with.
"Buyer" is a very nice, knowledgeable "gentleman" who lives far
away
(usually an upscale neighborhood), charms you with his car stories
and
how much he loves your car. Once you agree to sell, he quickly
sends
an actual cash deposit straight to your account via Paypal, thus
suckering you in. His final payment comes as a cashier's check
which
immediately clears the bank, fooling you into surrendering the car
to
the trucker who quickly shows up and loads the car into a semi or
other
such transportation. The check fools the bank for about a month,
then
bounces, leaving you with a payment of however much the Paypal
"deposit" was for, which is soon refunded back to the buyer by
Paypal
when he claims that you never delivered the car.
Paypal terms stipulate that the buyer's word is enough to justify
the
"refund due to cancelation of transaction". Scammer has paid
minimal
Paypal fees, you have no car and no money and you now must also
pay
Paypal "refund" fees for "canceling the transaction".
Entire scam duration, 1 - 2 months.
Or, variations on same. The basis upon which this scam works is
the
common bank practice of "holding deposit funds for clearance",
usually
10 days or more, whenever a deposit is over $10k or so. The bank
tells
you that this is done for your protection, but what is actually
happening is that the bank takes your big check and lumps it in
with
thousands of other peoples' big checks which collectively amount
to
millions of dollars, puts them all in an interest-bearing account
overseas and makes a tidy interest sum while everyones' money is
being
"temporarily held inaccessible for your protection". After the
"hold
period" which is typically as long as the customers will bear,
they
transfer your deposit (release the "hold") to your account IF your
check cleared the foreign bank. Since the whole process takes
weeks or
more for the fraud to be noticed, the scammer succeeds. The bank
risks
nothing by lying to you and telling you that the scammers' fake
check
has cleared.
___________________________________________________________
While on the subject of scams-- Here's a doozy:
Bankers are extremely cunning, elegant criminals whose racket is
parasitic in nature, yet, they know how to operate so as to not
kill
their "host". None of their "policies" benefit anyone but
themselves.
Customers bear all banking risks at all times. They are experts
at
squeezing productive peoples as far as they can without draining
them
dry. Every once in a while they screw it up and suck too much
blood
out of sheer greed and this descends upon the people as "economic
downturns", recessions, depressions, "bursting market bubbles",
"too
big to fail bailouts" etc. etc. These "explanations" are expertly
crafted bullshit stories designed to fool us into believing these
things are "natural economic events" that "just happen". We are
led to
believe that the economy is something far too complex for just
anyone
to comprehend. This is a lie. The simple marketplace, buying and
selling, has been mis-labeled as a complex "financial system"
involving
all manner of taxation intricacies and infinite financial product
variables which require high degrees of intelligence to
understand. In
order to perpetuate this lie, volumes of legal nonsense has been
introduced over time to obfuscate and disguise the fraudulent
means by
which parasitic control is exerted over the marketplace whereby
wealth
is siphoned out the hands of productive peoples and into the hands
of
banks.
There is no question that the banking/credit scam works
brilliantly.
When the bankers get too rich then they start wars, which serve a
3-fold purpose: 1) to deplete excess wealth, 2) to facilitate
the
geopolitical goals of the bankers which further consolidate their
powers, and 3) weaken populations and keep people in states of
distress which makes them far easier to deceive and control.
Money is never "lent", it is created from nothing (credit) through
government-approved legislation (so-called "will of the people")
which
amounts to nothing other than legally sanctioned counterfeiting.
The Golden Rule being, "he who has the gold, makes the rules".
We never figure it out, and on and on and on it goes.
Modern banking IS a scam in itself, so it is no small wonder that
scammers exist in multitudes and that bankers could care less
about
tracking them down and prosecuting them. Apprehending and
prosecuting
scammers is left to law enforcement agencies who generally have
limited
resources and greater priorities than catching these petty crooks
who
generally do not cause permanent or grievous harm.
So what we have is an economic environment, enhanced greatly since
the
internet started, that is perfectly suited for scammers to thrive
and
multiply.
Sent using Hushmail
On August 7, 2017 at 9:59 AM, "Jack Donahue"
<[2][3]demongusta at gmail.com>
wrote:
Got it too. Just curious, since I'm not familiar with "scammers"
-
what would the scam be?
On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Bobbykart <[3][4]bobbykart at gmail.com>
wrote:
I got it also, so many internet scams out there
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Dave McManus
<[4][5]Dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
I think it is a scam. Very weird. I got it also.
IndyDave
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [[5][6]mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 11:46 AM
To: [6][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
Possibly another scam.
Got weird email wanting to buy DeTomaso's Googling the email
address gets hits from other car forums over the years with
similar
out of the blue.
" Hello, I apologize for my email! Bob (here in copy) referred me
to You....." from Tim McDowall And Bob being mbz190slmember
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1. [14]mailto:audionut at hushmail.com
2. [15]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
3. [16]mailto:bobbykart at gmail.com
4. [17]mailto:Dave at damardirect.com
5. [18]mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
6. [19]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
7. [20]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
8. [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
9. [22]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
10. [23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
11. [24]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
12. [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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References
1. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
2. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com
3. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
4. mailto:bobbykart at gmail.com
5. mailto:Dave at damardirect.com
6. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
12. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
14. mailto:audionut at hushmail.com
15. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
16. mailto:bobbykart at gmail.com
17. mailto:Dave at damardirect.com
18. mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com
19. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
22. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
26. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Jeff:
Was it a CANADIAN bastard, or a bastard...........?
Just asking.....
Cheers
Bill Moore
Calgary
-------- Original message --------
From: Jeff Cobb <jeffcobb1 at me.com>
Date: 2018-01-01 5:23 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
Cc: POCA <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
Thanks for warning people, Jack.
I had a Canadian bastard 20 years ago gave a $11,000 cashiers check for
fixing his Jag then drove off back to the S W part of Canada and a week
or more later my bank said the customer told the issuing bank that I
defrauded him, car was not fixed, Ihad lied and cheated him, it was not
drivable and that he was going to sue me.
So the bank stopped payment on the cashiers check!
Why, you must be thinking now ( not possible to stop payment on a
cashiers check )- - HELLO YOU CAN, well they issued it with good money
on good faith, so they can stop it if bad faith appears to take their
customers good money.
ALL WAS NOT TRUE AND THIS BASTARD was able to save $11,000 and never
did we hear from each other ever.
He disappeared as the fixed car and my money did.
Tomorrow is an IOU, yesterday is a cancelled check and TODAY IS CASH!
In GOD we trust, all others must pay cash!
Tricksters are smoother, quicker and cooler than you can ever be.
Jeff Cobb
On Aug 8, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the education - but - I am too old school for such a
> scam. Over the years, I've found that trading the pink slip & keys
for
> cash is the only way to do business with vehicles - it's always
worked
> fine. Seems anything else just opens one up for being screwed. Gary
> Hall's wisdom.
>
> Just sayin'
>
> Jack
>
> #4348
>
> On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:35 PM, [1]audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
>
> - what would the scam be?
> Hi Jack-- Allow me to offer up one scam that I've become familiar
> with.
>
> "Buyer" is a very nice, knowledgeable "gentleman" who lives far
away
> (usually an upscale neighborhood), charms you with his car stories
and
> how much he loves your car. Once you agree to sell, he quickly
sends
> an actual cash deposit straight to your account via Paypal, thus
> suckering you in. His final payment comes as a cashier's check
which
> immediately clears the bank, fooling you into surrendering the car
to
> the trucker who quickly shows up and loads the car into a semi or
other
> such transportation. The check fools the bank for about a month,
then
> bounces, leaving you with a payment of however much the Paypal
> "deposit" was for, which is soon refunded back to the buyer by
Paypal
> when he claims that you never delivered the car.
>
> Paypal terms stipulate that the buyer's word is enough to justify
the
> "refund due to cancelation of transaction". Scammer has paid
minimal
> Paypal fees, you have no car and no money and you now must also pay
> Paypal "refund" fees for "canceling the transaction".
>
> Entire scam duration, 1 - 2 months.
> Or, variations on same. The basis upon which this scam works is
the
> common bank practice of "holding deposit funds for clearance",
usually
> 10 days or more, whenever a deposit is over $10k or so. The bank
tells
> you that this is done for your protection, but what is actually
> happening is that the bank takes your big check and lumps it in
with
> thousands of other peoples' big checks which collectively amount to
> millions of dollars, puts them all in an interest-bearing account
> overseas and makes a tidy interest sum while everyones' money is
being
> "temporarily held inaccessible for your protection". After the
"hold
> period" which is typically as long as the customers will bear, they
> transfer your deposit (release the "hold") to your account IF your
> check cleared the foreign bank. Since the whole process takes
weeks or
> more for the fraud to be noticed, the scammer succeeds. The bank
risks
> nothing by lying to you and telling you that the scammers' fake
check
> has cleared.
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> While on the subject of scams-- Here's a doozy:
>
> Bankers are extremely cunning, elegant criminals whose racket is
> parasitic in nature, yet, they know how to operate so as to not
kill
> their "host". None of their "policies" benefit anyone but
themselves.
> Customers bear all banking risks at all times. They are experts
at
> squeezing productive peoples as far as they can without draining
them
> dry. Every once in a while they screw it up and suck too much
blood
> out of sheer greed and this descends upon the people as "economic
> downturns", recessions, depressions, "bursting market bubbles",
"too
> big to fail bailouts" etc. etc. These "explanations" are expertly
> crafted bullshit stories designed to fool us into believing these
> things are "natural economic events" that "just happen". We are
led to
> believe that the economy is something far too complex for just
anyone
> to comprehend. This is a lie. The simple marketplace, buying and
> selling, has been mis-labeled as a complex "financial system"
involving
> all manner of taxation intricacies and infinite financial product
> variables which require high degrees of intelligence to
understand. In
> order to perpetuate this lie, volumes of legal nonsense has been
> introduced over time to obfuscate and disguise the fraudulent means
by
> which parasitic control is exerted over the marketplace whereby
wealth
> is siphoned out the hands of productive peoples and into the hands
of
> banks.
>
> There is no question that the banking/credit scam works
brilliantly.
> When the bankers get too rich then they start wars, which serve a
> 3-fold purpose: 1) to deplete excess wealth, 2) to facilitate
the
> geopolitical goals of the bankers which further consolidate their
> powers, and 3) weaken populations and keep people in states of
> distress which makes them far easier to deceive and control.
>
> Money is never "lent", it is created from nothing (credit) through
> government-approved legislation (so-called "will of the people")
which
> amounts to nothing other than legally sanctioned counterfeiting.
>
> The Golden Rule being, "he who has the gold, makes the rules".
>
> We never figure it out, and on and on and on it goes.
>
> Modern banking IS a scam in itself, so it is no small wonder that
> scammers exist in multitudes and that bankers could care less about
> tracking them down and prosecuting them. Apprehending and
prosecuting
> scammers is left to law enforcement agencies who generally have
limited
> resources and greater priorities than catching these petty crooks
who
> generally do not cause permanent or grievous harm.
>
> So what we have is an economic environment, enhanced greatly since
the
> internet started, that is perfectly suited for scammers to thrive
and
> multiply.
> Sent using Hushmail
> On August 7, 2017 at 9:59 AM, "Jack Donahue"
<[2]demongusta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Got it too. Just curious, since I'm not familiar with "scammers"
-
> what would the scam be?
>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Bobbykart <[3]bobbykart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I got it also, so many internet scams out there
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Dave McManus
> <[4]Dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it is a scam. Very weird. I got it also.
>>> IndyDave
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [[5]mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 11:46 AM
>>> To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
>>>
>>> Possibly another scam.
>>>
>>> Got weird email wanting to buy DeTomaso's Googling the email
> address gets hits from other car forums over the years with
similar
> out of the blue.
>>>
>>> " Hello, I apologize for my email! Bob (here in copy) referred me
> to You....." from Tim McDowall And Bob being mbz190slmember
>>>
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Thanks for warning people, Jack.
I had a Canadian bastard 20 years ago gave a $11,000 cashiers check
for
fixing his Jag then drove off back to the S W part of Canada and a
week
or more later my bank said the customer told the issuing bank that I
defrauded him, car was not fixed, Ihad lied and cheated him, it was
not
drivable and that he was going to sue me.
So the bank stopped payment on the cashiers check!
Why, you must be thinking now ( not possible to stop payment on a
cashiers check )- - HELLO YOU CAN, well they issued it with good
money
on good faith, so they can stop it if bad faith appears to take
their
customers good money.
ALL WAS NOT TRUE AND THIS BASTARD was able to save $11,000 and never
did we hear from each other ever.
He disappeared as the fixed car and my money did.
Tomorrow is an IOU, yesterday is a cancelled check and TODAY IS
CASH!
In GOD we trust, all others must pay cash!
Tricksters are smoother, quicker and cooler than you can ever be.
Jeff Cobb
On Aug 8, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Jack Donahue <[1]demongusta at gmail.com>
wrote:
Thank you for the education - but - I am too old school for such
a
scam. Over the years, I've found that trading the pink slip &
keys
for
cash is the only way to do business with vehicles - it's always
worked
fine. Seems anything else just opens one up for being screwed.
Gary
Hall's wisdom.
Just sayin'
Jack
#4348
On Aug 7, 2017, at 3:35 PM, [1][2]audionut at hushmail.com wrote:
- what would the scam be?
Hi Jack-- Allow me to offer up one scam that I've become
familiar
with.
"Buyer" is a very nice, knowledgeable "gentleman" who lives far
away
(usually an upscale neighborhood), charms you with his car
stories
and
how much he loves your car. Once you agree to sell, he quickly
sends
an actual cash deposit straight to your account via Paypal, thus
suckering you in. His final payment comes as a cashier's check
which
immediately clears the bank, fooling you into surrendering the
car
to
the trucker who quickly shows up and loads the car into a semi
or
other
such transportation. The check fools the bank for about a
month,
then
bounces, leaving you with a payment of however much the Paypal
"deposit" was for, which is soon refunded back to the buyer by
Paypal
when he claims that you never delivered the car.
Paypal terms stipulate that the buyer's word is enough to
justify
the
"refund due to cancelation of transaction". Scammer has paid
minimal
Paypal fees, you have no car and no money and you now must also
pay
Paypal "refund" fees for "canceling the transaction".
Entire scam duration, 1 - 2 months.
Or, variations on same. The basis upon which this scam works is
the
common bank practice of "holding deposit funds for clearance",
usually
10 days or more, whenever a deposit is over $10k or so. The
bank
tells
you that this is done for your protection, but what is actually
happening is that the bank takes your big check and lumps it in
with
thousands of other peoples' big checks which collectively amount
to
millions of dollars, puts them all in an interest-bearing
account
overseas and makes a tidy interest sum while everyones' money is
being
"temporarily held inaccessible for your protection". After the
"hold
period" which is typically as long as the customers will bear,
they
transfer your deposit (release the "hold") to your account IF
your
check cleared the foreign bank. Since the whole process takes
weeks or
more for the fraud to be noticed, the scammer succeeds. The
bank
risks
nothing by lying to you and telling you that the scammers' fake
check
has cleared.
___________________________________________________________
While on the subject of scams-- Here's a doozy:
Bankers are extremely cunning, elegant criminals whose racket is
parasitic in nature, yet, they know how to operate so as to not
kill
their "host". None of their "policies" benefit anyone but
themselves.
Customers bear all banking risks at all times. They are
experts
at
squeezing productive peoples as far as they can without draining
them
dry. Every once in a while they screw it up and suck too much
blood
out of sheer greed and this descends upon the people as
"economic
downturns", recessions, depressions, "bursting market bubbles",
"too
big to fail bailouts" etc. etc. These "explanations" are
expertly
crafted bullshit stories designed to fool us into believing
these
things are "natural economic events" that "just happen". We are
led to
believe that the economy is something far too complex for just
anyone
to comprehend. This is a lie. The simple marketplace, buying
and
selling, has been mis-labeled as a complex "financial system"
involving
all manner of taxation intricacies and infinite financial
product
variables which require high degrees of intelligence to
understand. In
order to perpetuate this lie, volumes of legal nonsense has been
introduced over time to obfuscate and disguise the fraudulent
means by
which parasitic control is exerted over the marketplace whereby
wealth
is siphoned out the hands of productive peoples and into the
hands
of
banks.
There is no question that the banking/credit scam works
brilliantly.
When the bankers get too rich then they start wars, which serve
a
3-fold purpose: 1) to deplete excess wealth, 2) to facilitate
the
geopolitical goals of the bankers which further consolidate
their
powers, and 3) weaken populations and keep people in states of
distress which makes them far easier to deceive and control.
Money is never "lent", it is created from nothing (credit)
through
government-approved legislation (so-called "will of the people")
which
amounts to nothing other than legally sanctioned counterfeiting.
The Golden Rule being, "he who has the gold, makes the rules".
We never figure it out, and on and on and on it goes.
Modern banking IS a scam in itself, so it is no small wonder
that
scammers exist in multitudes and that bankers could care less
about
tracking them down and prosecuting them. Apprehending and
prosecuting
scammers is left to law enforcement agencies who generally have
limited
resources and greater priorities than catching these petty
crooks
who
generally do not cause permanent or grievous harm.
So what we have is an economic environment, enhanced greatly
since
the
internet started, that is perfectly suited for scammers to
thrive
and
multiply.
Sent using Hushmail
On August 7, 2017 at 9:59 AM, "Jack Donahue"
<[2][3]demongusta at gmail.com>
wrote:
Got it too. Just curious, since I'm not familiar with
"scammers"
-
what would the scam be?
On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:39 AM, Bobbykart <[3][4]bobbykart at gmail.com>
wrote:
I got it also, so many internet scams out there
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 7, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Dave McManus
<[4][5]Dave at damardirect.com> wrote:
I think it is a scam. Very weird. I got it also.
IndyDave
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [[5][6]mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 11:46 AM
To: [6][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Possibly another scam
Possibly another scam.
Got weird email wanting to buy DeTomaso's Googling the email
address gets hits from other car forums over the years with
similar
out of the blue.
" Hello, I apologize for my email! Bob (here in copy) referred me
to You....." from Tim McDowall And Bob being mbz190slmember
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