[DeTomaso] NPC: Tesla in space

Paul Timko thedrol at pobox.com
Mon Feb 12 22:59:01 EST 2018


The Tesla is orbiting the sun every 1.6 years.  My Pantera is orbiting the
sun once every year!  Which one is faster?

Paul #9270

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:10 PM Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

>    "Billions of years from now, when our Sun has
>    A  A turned into a red giant and engulfed the Earth in nuclear fire,
>    the
>    A  A Pioneer, [2]Voyager, and [3]New Horizons probes will still be
>    traveling
>    A  A through our galaxy like a quintet of robotic Odysseus's."
>    I believe VGER will return us and will collect the Tesla on its way
>    back to save us
>    A from the Sun.
>    Live long and prosper.
>    Jeff
>    6559
>
>    On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Larry-Ohio Time Corp
>    <[1]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
>
>      A  A If the SpaceX [1]Falcon Heavy is the world's most powerful
>      rocket, then
>      A  A the Tesla Roadster that it shot into interplanetary space holds
>      the
>      A  A record for the fastest car in history. This cosmic convertible
>      will
>      A  A orbit around the Sun once every 1.6 years, but how long will it
>      A  A continue to do so, and what will be its fate? Will it still
>      look as
>      A  A pristine a billion years from now as it did in the videos
>      beamed back
>      A  A to Earth? Probably not.
>      A  A At the moment, there are five US spacecraft speeding out of our
>      Solar
>      A  A System, never to return. Billions of years from now, when our
>      Sun has
>      A  A turned into a red giant and engulfed the Earth in nuclear fire,
>      the
>      A  A Pioneer, [2]Voyager, and [3]New Horizons probes will still be
>      traveling
>      A  A through our galaxy like a quintet of robotic Odysseus's.
>      A  A Even back in our system and revolving about our Earth are
>      satellites
>      A  A that will still be around for many millions of years. For
>      example, one
>      A  A Earth-orbiting satellite, [4]LAGEOS-1, is a passive laser
>      reflector
>      A  A satellite that will not only remain circling our planet for 8.4
>      million
>      A  A years, but will remain functional for most of that time.
>      A  A With a track record like that, it looks as if the Tesla
>      Roadster that
>      A  A rocketed into space on February 6, 2018 will be cruising
>      happily among
>      A  A the stars as a permanent monument to the early days of
>      commercial deep
>      A  A space travel. It's a nice thought that the Starman mannequin
>      driver and
>      A  A his cherry red ride will still be around long after the
>      pyramids have
>      A  A crumbled to sand.
>      A  A Except that's not going to happen. In fact, the Starman and the
>      A  A Roadster are in for a very unpleasant time and may not be in
>      very good
>      A  A shape after a few years. And their lifespan, while huge by
>      human
>      A  A standards, may be rather limited.
>      A  A At the moment, the Falcon Heavy second stage and the Roadster
>      attached
>      A  A to it are in an orbit that [5]Jonathan McDowell of the
>      A  A Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics has recalculated
>      from Elon
>      A  A Musk's rather generous [6]rough estimate of a few hours after
>      liftoff.
>      A  A According to McDowell, the second stage is a Hohmann transfer
>      orbit,
>      A  A which is most economical orbit in terms of energy for going
>      from one
>      A  A place to another.
>      A  A Where Musk estimated that the second stage was circling the Sun
>      at a
>      A  A distance between 91 million mi (150 million km) and 240 million
>      mi (390
>      A  A million km) with an inclination of 29-o to the ecliptic,
>      McDowell
>      A  A calculates that its orbit is between 92 million mi (148 million
>      km) and
>      A  A 158 million mi (255 million km) with an inclination of 1.1-o
>      and a
>      A  A period of about 1.6 years. This puts its farthest distance from
>      the sun
>      A  A just beyond the orbit of Mars.
>      A  A The popular idea is that the Roadster will orbit the Sun for
>      hundreds
>      A  A of millions, if not billions of years, but that isn't the case.
>      The
>      A  A second stage and Roadster are now essentially a [7]near-Earth
>      A  A object (NEO), much like the asteroids that space agencies keep
>      an eye
>      A  A on just in case a large one is going to hit the Earth.
>      A  A One thing that marks NEOs is that they don't have very long
>      careers.
>      A  A They're interplanetary jaywalkers with all the hazards that
>      implies.
>      A  A Planets and asteroids in circular orbits stay out of each
>      other's way
>      A  A and are relatively stable, but NEOs, and the Roadster, are in
>      eccentric
>      A  A orbits that cross the orbits of the planets. This makes their
>      A  A trajectories very unstable.
>      A  A The second stage will cross the orbits of Earth and Mars and
>      its
>      A  A trajectory will certainly be perturbed by Jupiter's
>      gravitational
>      A  A field, so there is a small chance that it might strike Earth or
>      Mars
>      A  A many thousands of years from now, though it's so small that it
>      will
>      A  A burn up in the atmosphere. Another possibility is that it might
>      get
>      A  A flung out past Jupiter or inward past Venus. It might even be
>      propelled
>      A  A into the Sun, as happens to many near-Earth asteroids after a
>      few tens
>      A  A of millions of years. The orbital mechanics are very complex,
>      so it's
>      A  A difficult to predict, but the upshot is that the Roadster won't
>      be
>      A  A roaming the Solar System for as long as its neighbors.
>      A  A Another problem is that with the Roadster so close to the plane
>      of the
>      A  A ecliptic, it's in danger of being struck by cosmic debris.
>      There is a
>      A  A very small chance that it might be hit by a large object like
>      an
>      A  A asteroid, but the greater threat is from micrometeoroids, which
>      over
>      A  A the millennia will hit the car time and again. Each of these
>      will cause
>      A  A small and not-so-small amounts of damage, until it could one
>      day look
>      A  A like it's been shot at by a cannon filled with sand and gravel.
>      A  A But the much greater problem is that the Roadster isn't a
>      purpose-built
>      A  A spacecraft. It's a production electric car, which means it's as
>      A  A suitable for surviving the environment of space as a chocolate
>      Easter
>      A  A bunny in a convection oven.
>      A  A [8]The Roadster passing the terminator
>      A  A We're used to stories of interplanetary spacecraft functioning
>      long
>      A  A past the predicted end of their service life. Mars rovers
>      expected to
>      A  A operate for 90 days are still rolling after many years, and the
>      Voyager
>      A  A probes are still working 40 years after their launch. Even the
>      defunct
>      A  A machines, like the [9]Kepler Space Telescope, can be expected
>      to be
>      A  A around for many millions of years in a relatively intact
>      condition. Why
>      A  A not the roadster, then?
>      A  A The answer is very simple. Space engineers have spent decades
>      studying
>      A  A how to build spacecraft and especially which materials to build
>      them
>      A  A out of. They know which ones can withstand the extreme heat and
>      cold of
>      A  A space, the hard ultraviolet (UV) radiation, as well as the
>      X-rays,
>      A  A gamma rays, and cosmic rays that are constantly bombarding our
>      A  A technology outside the protection of Earth's atmosphere and Van
>      Allen
>      A  A belts.
>      A  A The Tesla Roadster, on the other hand, was designed to drive on
>      A  A Earthside roads, not galavant between the Earth and Mars. It
>      was made
>      A  A to be light and fast, and have good road handling. That may be
>      fine on
>      A  A the twisting roads of Italy, but the engineering that went into
>      the
>      A  A Roadster is now a positive detriment in space.
>      A  A The biggest problem is that the Roadster, and Starman, and made
>      up
>      A  A largely of rubber, plastics, and carbon composites, which
>      consist of
>      A  A long chain organic molecules that include epoxy resins,
>      polypropylene,
>      A  A polystyrene, polyvinyl chloride, nylon, and many others. These
>      make up
>      A  A the carbon composite car body, the fabrics in the interior, the
>      A  A cushions in the seats, electrical insulation, and a myriad of
>      A  A fasteners, fairings, and adhesive compounds. Starman and his
>      suit are
>      A  A made almost entirely out of organic polymers and even the
>      safety glass
>      A  A in the car's windscreen is a plastic laminate.
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>      A  A All of these, at this very moment, are being subjected to
>      dangerously
>      A  A high temperature variations as the sunlit areas heat to 260-o F
>      (127-o
>      A  A C) and the shaded areas plunging to -280-o F (-173-o C).
>      Fortunately,
>      A  A the second stage is slowly rotating, so the car is being evenly
>      baked
>      A  A like a rotisserie chicken, but as the vehicle orbits toward and
>      away
>      A  A from the Sun, it will produce strong thermal stresses that will
>      produce
>      A  A all manner of material fatigue. Also, the rotation means that
>      anything
>      A  A that comes loose can fly away.
>      A  A But the worst is all that radiation hitting those long polymer
>      chain
>      A  A molecules. As the rays strike, they will break down the
>      molecules bit
>      A  A by bit, converting them into free radicals. The same goes for
>      the
>      A  A pigments used to give the Roadster its red color. Eventually,
>      the car
>      A  A will become bleached, then everything made of polymers will
>      A  A disintegrate and crumble into dust.
>      A  A It's all happened before and it doesn't take very long. If you
>      look at
>      A  A pictures of the old Apollo moon missions of the late 1960s and
>      early
>      A  A 70s, you'll be familiar with the images of spacesuited American
>      A  A astronauts saluting the [11]flag and the Lunar Module wrapped
>      in gold
>      A  A Mylar foil to keep it cool under the harsh lunar sun. If you
>      were to go
>      A  A back to those landing sites, you'd find the flag poles empty
>      and the
>      A  A descent stage of the module largely unclad because half a
>      century of
>      A  A radiation has done its work.
>      A  A So what will the Tesla Roadster look like in a couple of
>      centuries? The
>      A  A most obvious thing will be that the carbon composite body will
>      be gone
>      A  A as the epoxy resins have all broken down and the carbon fibers
>      fallen
>      A  A apart. The rubber tires on the wheels won't be there either.
>      A  A Many other bits will have come loose as the adhesives turned
>      brittle
>      A  A and ceased to stick. Even the windscreen will have a yellowy
>      opaque
>      A  A look, provided the laminate hasn't failed completely or a
>      meteoroid
>      A  A hasn't slammed into it. In the cockpit, Starman is now reduced
>      to a few
>      A  A metal joints. The seats are bare metal frames with the fabric
>      covers
>      A  A now powder, and the foam rubber cushions long gone.
>      A  A Other materials in the car will also suffer over time. Any
>      lubricants
>      A  A will have frozen or boiled away. Those that remain will degrade
>      like
>      A  A the plastics, turning into a brittle mess. If any graphite was
>      used for
>      A  A lubricant, the water molecules that make graphite powder
>      slippery will
>      A  A evaporate and the carbon molecules left behind will now have
>      the
>      A  A property of jeweler's polish.
>      A  A It's very likely that the 6,831 lithium-ion cells that powered
>      the
>      A  A Roadster will have been removed before leaving Earth. The FAA
>      probably
>      A  A wouldn't have been too happy about 700 lb (317 kg) of
>      fire-prone
>      A  A batteries sitting atop the Falcon Heavy, turning into a very
>      large
>      A  A bomb. However, there was a battery aboard to run the cameras
>      that
>      A  A beamed back video to Earth. That battery may, depending on its
>      design,
>      A  A start to generate gas and may one day explode. Meanwhile, the
>      A  A electronics used to transmit video will very soon be fried by
>      the
>      A  A radiation as the delicate micro circuits are destroyed bit by
>      bit.
>      A  A Even the metals in the car will be affected. The roadster uses
>      advanced
>      A  A alloys - some of which might start to outgas. Radiation will
>      eventually
>      A  A affect the crystalline structure of the alloys and may give
>      them a
>      A  A patina, such as is sometimes found on metallic objects in very
>      dry
>      A  A deserts. Over millions of years, some may become brittle. Some
>      may
>      A  A develop something similar to tin pest, where tin alters its
>      structure
>      A  A at very low temperatures and appears to rot.
>      A  A In the end, if some distant future expedition does retrieve the
>      A  A Roadster, it will be in a sorry state - a battered, bare metal
>      frame
>      A  A with a few pockets of organic chemical dust. But maybe that
>      won't be so
>      A  A bad. Maybe it will give it the right air of romance, like the
>      Parthenon
>      A  A or Stonehenge. Or maybe it will be regarded as a challenge by
>      the
>      A  A finders, who may embark on the greatest car restoration project
>      in
>      A  A history.
>      A  A Let's hope they get the paint job right.
>      A  A  Larry (too used for me) - Cleveland
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>      A  A 4. [6]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAGEOS
>      A  A 5. [7]https://mobile.twitter.com/planet4589/status/
>      961394843648954368
>      A  A 6. [8]https://newatlas.com/spacex-
>      images-starman-asteroid/53301/
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>      falcon_heavy_test_launch-230358
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   The Tesla is orbiting the sun every 1.6 years.A  My Pantera is orbiting
   the sun once every year!A  Which one is faster?
   Paul #9270
   On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 6:10 PM Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   wrote:

     A  A "Billions of years from now, when our Sun has
     A  A AA  A turned into a red giant and engulfed the Earth in nuclear
     fire,
     A  A the
     A  A AA  A Pioneer, [2]Voyager, and [3]New Horizons probes will
     still be
     A  A traveling
     A  A AA  A through our galaxy like a quintet of robotic Odysseus's."
     A  A I believe VGER will return us and will collect the Tesla on its
     way
     A  A back to save us
     A  A A from the Sun.
     A  A Live long and prosper.
     A  A Jeff
     A  A 6559
     A  A On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Larry-Ohio Time Corp
     A  A <[1][2]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
     A  A  A AA  A If the SpaceX [1]Falcon Heavy is the world's most
     powerful
     A  A  A rocket, then
     A  A  A AA  A the Tesla Roadster that it shot into interplanetary
     space holds
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A AA  A record for the fastest car in history. This cosmic
     convertible
     A  A  A will
     A  A  A AA  A orbit around the Sun once every 1.6 years, but how
     long will it
     A  A  A AA  A continue to do so, and what will be its fate? Will it
     still
     A  A  A look as
     A  A  A AA  A pristine a billion years from now as it did in the
     videos
     A  A  A beamed back
     A  A  A AA  A to Earth? Probably not.
     A  A  A AA  A At the moment, there are five US spacecraft speeding
     out of our
     A  A  A Solar
     A  A  A AA  A System, never to return. Billions of years from now,
     when our
     A  A  A Sun has
     A  A  A AA  A turned into a red giant and engulfed the Earth in
     nuclear fire,
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A AA  A Pioneer, [2]Voyager, and [3]New Horizons probes will
     still be
     A  A  A traveling
     A  A  A AA  A through our galaxy like a quintet of robotic
     Odysseus's.
     A  A  A AA  A Even back in our system and revolving about our Earth
     are
     A  A  A satellites
     A  A  A AA  A that will still be around for many millions of years.
     For
     A  A  A example, one
     A  A  A AA  A Earth-orbiting satellite, [4]LAGEOS-1, is a passive
     laser
     A  A  A reflector
     A  A  A AA  A satellite that will not only remain circling our
     planet for 8.4
     A  A  A million
     A  A  A AA  A years, but will remain functional for most of that
     time.
     A  A  A AA  A With a track record like that, it looks as if the
     Tesla
     A  A  A Roadster that
     A  A  A AA  A rocketed into space on February 6, 2018 will be
     cruising
     A  A  A happily among
     A  A  A AA  A the stars as a permanent monument to the early days of
     A  A  A commercial deep
     A  A  A AA  A space travel. It's a nice thought that the Starman
     mannequin
     A  A  A driver and
     A  A  A AA  A his cherry red ride will still be around long after
     the
     A  A  A pyramids have
     A  A  A AA  A crumbled to sand.
     A  A  A AA  A Except that's not going to happen. In fact, the
     Starman and the
     A  A  A AA  A Roadster are in for a very unpleasant time and may not
     be in
     A  A  A very good
     A  A  A AA  A shape after a few years. And their lifespan, while
     huge by
     A  A  A human
     A  A  A AA  A standards, may be rather limited.
     A  A  A AA  A At the moment, the Falcon Heavy second stage and the
     Roadster
     A  A  A attached
     A  A  A AA  A to it are in an orbit that [5]Jonathan McDowell of the
     A  A  A AA  A Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics has
     recalculated
     A  A  A from Elon
     A  A  A AA  A Musk's rather generous [6]rough estimate of a few
     hours after
     A  A  A liftoff.
     A  A  A AA  A According to McDowell, the second stage is a Hohmann
     transfer
     A  A  A orbit,
     A  A  A AA  A which is most economical orbit in terms of energy for
     going
     A  A  A from one
     A  A  A AA  A place to another.
     A  A  A AA  A Where Musk estimated that the second stage was
     circling the Sun
     A  A  A at a
     A  A  A AA  A distance between 91 million mi (150 million km) and
     240 million
     A  A  A mi (390
     A  A  A AA  A million km) with an inclination of 29-o to the
     ecliptic,
     A  A  A McDowell
     A  A  A AA  A calculates that its orbit is between 92 million mi
     (148 million
     A  A  A km) and
     A  A  A AA  A 158 million mi (255 million km) with an inclination of
     1.1-o
     A  A  A and a
     A  A  A AA  A period of about 1.6 years. This puts its farthest
     distance from
     A  A  A the sun
     A  A  A AA  A just beyond the orbit of Mars.
     A  A  A AA  A The popular idea is that the Roadster will orbit the
     Sun for
     A  A  A hundreds
     A  A  A AA  A of millions, if not billions of years, but that isn't
     the case.
     A  A  A The
     A  A  A AA  A second stage and Roadster are now essentially a
     [7]near-Earth
     A  A  A AA  A object (NEO), much like the asteroids that space
     agencies keep
     A  A  A an eye
     A  A  A AA  A on just in case a large one is going to hit the Earth.
     A  A  A AA  A One thing that marks NEOs is that they don't have very
     long
     A  A  A careers.
     A  A  A AA  A They're interplanetary jaywalkers with all the hazards
     that
     A  A  A implies.
     A  A  A AA  A Planets and asteroids in circular orbits stay out of
     each
     A  A  A other's way
     A  A  A AA  A and are relatively stable, but NEOs, and the Roadster,
     are in
     A  A  A eccentric
     A  A  A AA  A orbits that cross the orbits of the planets. This
     makes their
     A  A  A AA  A trajectories very unstable.
     A  A  A AA  A The second stage will cross the orbits of Earth and
     Mars and
     A  A  A its
     A  A  A AA  A trajectory will certainly be perturbed by Jupiter's
     A  A  A gravitational
     A  A  A AA  A field, so there is a small chance that it might strike
     Earth or
     A  A  A Mars
     A  A  A AA  A many thousands of years from now, though it's so small
     that it
     A  A  A will
     A  A  A AA  A burn up in the atmosphere. Another possibility is that
     it might
     A  A  A get
     A  A  A AA  A flung out past Jupiter or inward past Venus. It might
     even be
     A  A  A propelled
     A  A  A AA  A into the Sun, as happens to many near-Earth asteroids
     after a
     A  A  A few tens
     A  A  A AA  A of millions of years. The orbital mechanics are very
     complex,
     A  A  A so it's
     A  A  A AA  A difficult to predict, but the upshot is that the
     Roadster won't
     A  A  A be
     A  A  A AA  A roaming the Solar System for as long as its neighbors.
     A  A  A AA  A Another problem is that with the Roadster so close to
     the plane
     A  A  A of the
     A  A  A AA  A ecliptic, it's in danger of being struck by cosmic
     debris.
     A  A  A There is a
     A  A  A AA  A very small chance that it might be hit by a large
     object like
     A  A  A an
     A  A  A AA  A asteroid, but the greater threat is from
     micrometeoroids, which
     A  A  A over
     A  A  A AA  A the millennia will hit the car time and again. Each of
     these
     A  A  A will cause
     A  A  A AA  A small and not-so-small amounts of damage, until it
     could one
     A  A  A day look
     A  A  A AA  A like it's been shot at by a cannon filled with sand
     and gravel.
     A  A  A AA  A But the much greater problem is that the Roadster
     isn't a
     A  A  A purpose-built
     A  A  A AA  A spacecraft. It's a production electric car, which
     means it's as
     A  A  A AA  A suitable for surviving the environment of space as a
     chocolate
     A  A  A Easter
     A  A  A AA  A bunny in a convection oven.
     A  A  A AA  A [8]The Roadster passing the terminator
     A  A  A AA  A We're used to stories of interplanetary spacecraft
     functioning
     A  A  A long
     A  A  A AA  A past the predicted end of their service life. Mars
     rovers
     A  A  A expected to
     A  A  A AA  A operate for 90 days are still rolling after many
     years, and the
     A  A  A Voyager
     A  A  A AA  A probes are still working 40 years after their launch.
     Even the
     A  A  A defunct
     A  A  A AA  A machines, like the [9]Kepler Space Telescope, can be
     expected
     A  A  A to be
     A  A  A AA  A around for many millions of years in a relatively
     intact
     A  A  A condition. Why
     A  A  A AA  A not the roadster, then?
     A  A  A AA  A The answer is very simple. Space engineers have spent
     decades
     A  A  A studying
     A  A  A AA  A how to build spacecraft and especially which materials
     to build
     A  A  A them
     A  A  A AA  A out of. They know which ones can withstand the extreme
     heat and
     A  A  A cold of
     A  A  A AA  A space, the hard ultraviolet (UV) radiation, as well as
     the
     A  A  A X-rays,
     A  A  A AA  A gamma rays, and cosmic rays that are constantly
     bombarding our
     A  A  A AA  A technology outside the protection of Earth's
     atmosphere and Van
     A  A  A Allen
     A  A  A AA  A belts.
     A  A  A AA  A The Tesla Roadster, on the other hand, was designed to
     drive on
     A  A  A AA  A Earthside roads, not galavant between the Earth and
     Mars. It
     A  A  A was made
     A  A  A AA  A to be light and fast, and have good road handling.
     That may be
     A  A  A fine on
     A  A  A AA  A the twisting roads of Italy, but the engineering that
     went into
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A AA  A Roadster is now a positive detriment in space.
     A  A  A AA  A The biggest problem is that the Roadster, and Starman,
     and made
     A  A  A up
     A  A  A AA  A largely of rubber, plastics, and carbon composites,
     which
     A  A  A consist of
     A  A  A AA  A long chain organic molecules that include epoxy
     resins,
     A  A  A polypropylene,
     A  A  A AA  A polystyrene, polyvinyl chloride, nylon, and many
     others. These
     A  A  A make up
     A  A  A AA  A the carbon composite car body, the fabrics in the
     interior, the
     A  A  A AA  A cushions in the seats, electrical insulation, and a
     myriad of
     A  A  A AA  A fasteners, fairings, and adhesive compounds. Starman
     and his
     A  A  A suit are
     A  A  A AA  A made almost entirely out of organic polymers and even
     the
     A  A  A safety glass
     A  A  A AA  A in the car's windscreen is a plastic laminate.
     A  A  A AA  A IFRAME:
     A  A  A AA  A
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     A  A  A AA  A tml
     A  A  A AA  A All of these, at this very moment, are being subjected
     to
     A  A  A dangerously
     A  A  A AA  A high temperature variations as the sunlit areas heat
     to 260-o F
     A  A  A (127-o
     A  A  A AA  A C) and the shaded areas plunging to -280-o F (-173-o
     C).
     A  A  A Fortunately,
     A  A  A AA  A the second stage is slowly rotating, so the car is
     being evenly
     A  A  A baked
     A  A  A AA  A like a rotisserie chicken, but as the vehicle orbits
     toward and
     A  A  A away
     A  A  A AA  A from the Sun, it will produce strong thermal stresses
     that will
     A  A  A produce
     A  A  A AA  A all manner of material fatigue. Also, the rotation
     means that
     A  A  A anything
     A  A  A AA  A that comes loose can fly away.
     A  A  A AA  A But the worst is all that radiation hitting those long
     polymer
     A  A  A chain
     A  A  A AA  A molecules. As the rays strike, they will break down
     the
     A  A  A molecules bit
     A  A  A AA  A by bit, converting them into free radicals. The same
     goes for
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A AA  A pigments used to give the Roadster its red color.
     Eventually,
     A  A  A the car
     A  A  A AA  A will become bleached, then everything made of polymers
     will
     A  A  A AA  A disintegrate and crumble into dust.
     A  A  A AA  A It's all happened before and it doesn't take very
     long. If you
     A  A  A look at
     A  A  A AA  A pictures of the old Apollo moon missions of the late
     1960s and
     A  A  A early
     A  A  A AA  A 70s, you'll be familiar with the images of spacesuited
     American
     A  A  A AA  A astronauts saluting the [11]flag and the Lunar Module
     wrapped
     A  A  A in gold
     A  A  A AA  A Mylar foil to keep it cool under the harsh lunar sun.
     If you
     A  A  A were to go
     A  A  A AA  A back to those landing sites, you'd find the flag poles
     empty
     A  A  A and the
     A  A  A AA  A descent stage of the module largely unclad because
     half a
     A  A  A century of
     A  A  A AA  A radiation has done its work.
     A  A  A AA  A So what will the Tesla Roadster look like in a couple
     of
     A  A  A centuries? The
     A  A  A AA  A most obvious thing will be that the carbon composite
     body will
     A  A  A be gone
     A  A  A AA  A as the epoxy resins have all broken down and the
     carbon fibers
     A  A  A fallen
     A  A  A AA  A apart. The rubber tires on the wheels won't be there
     either.
     A  A  A AA  A Many other bits will have come loose as the adhesives
     turned
     A  A  A brittle
     A  A  A AA  A and ceased to stick. Even the windscreen will have a
     yellowy
     A  A  A opaque
     A  A  A AA  A look, provided the laminate hasn't failed completely
     or a
     A  A  A meteoroid
     A  A  A AA  A hasn't slammed into it. In the cockpit, Starman is now
     reduced
     A  A  A to a few
     A  A  A AA  A metal joints. The seats are bare metal frames with the
     fabric
     A  A  A covers
     A  A  A AA  A now powder, and the foam rubber cushions long gone.
     A  A  A AA  A Other materials in the car will also suffer over time.
     Any
     A  A  A lubricants
     A  A  A AA  A will have frozen or boiled away. Those that remain
     will degrade
     A  A  A like
     A  A  A AA  A the plastics, turning into a brittle mess. If any
     graphite was
     A  A  A used for
     A  A  A AA  A lubricant, the water molecules that make graphite
     powder
     A  A  A slippery will
     A  A  A AA  A evaporate and the carbon molecules left behind will
     now have
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A AA  A property of jeweler's polish.
     A  A  A AA  A It's very likely that the 6,831 lithium-ion cells that
     powered
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A AA  A Roadster will have been removed before leaving Earth.
     The FAA
     A  A  A probably
     A  A  A AA  A wouldn't have been too happy about 700 lb (317 kg) of
     A  A  A fire-prone
     A  A  A AA  A batteries sitting atop the Falcon Heavy, turning into
     a very
     A  A  A large
     A  A  A AA  A bomb. However, there was a battery aboard to run the
     cameras
     A  A  A that
     A  A  A AA  A beamed back video to Earth. That battery may,
     depending on its
     A  A  A design,
     A  A  A AA  A start to generate gas and may one day explode.
     Meanwhile, the
     A  A  A AA  A electronics used to transmit video will very soon be
     fried by
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A AA  A radiation as the delicate micro circuits are destroyed
     bit by
     A  A  A bit.
     A  A  A AA  A Even the metals in the car will be affected. The
     roadster uses
     A  A  A advanced
     A  A  A AA  A alloys - some of which might start to outgas.
     Radiation will
     A  A  A eventually
     A  A  A AA  A affect the crystalline structure of the alloys and may
     give
     A  A  A them a
     A  A  A AA  A patina, such as is sometimes found on metallic objects
     in very
     A  A  A dry
     A  A  A AA  A deserts. Over millions of years, some may become
     brittle. Some
     A  A  A may
     A  A  A AA  A develop something similar to tin pest, where tin
     alters its
     A  A  A structure
     A  A  A AA  A at very low temperatures and appears to rot.
     A  A  A AA  A In the end, if some distant future expedition does
     retrieve the
     A  A  A AA  A Roadster, it will be in a sorry state - a battered,
     bare metal
     A  A  A frame
     A  A  A AA  A with a few pockets of organic chemical dust. But maybe
     that
     A  A  A won't be so
     A  A  A AA  A bad. Maybe it will give it the right air of romance,
     like the
     A  A  A Parthenon
     A  A  A AA  A or Stonehenge. Or maybe it will be regarded as a
     challenge by
     A  A  A the
     A  A  A AA  A finders, who may embark on the greatest car
     restoration project
     A  A  A in
     A  A  A AA  A history.
     A  A  A AA  A Let's hope they get the paint job right.
     A  A  A AA  AA  Larry (too used for me) - Cleveland
     A  A  A References
     A  A  A AA  A Visible links
     A  A  A AA  A 1.
     [3][4]https://newatlas.com/falcon-heavy-launch/53258/
     A  A  A AA  A 2.
     [4][5]https://newatlas.com/voyager-40th-anniversary-
     A  A  A retrospective-gallery/50744/
     A  A  A AA  A 3.
     [5][6]https://newatlas.com/new-horizons-pluto-flyby-nasa/34777/
     A  A  A AA  A 4. [6][7]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAGEOS
     A  A  A AA  A 5. [7][8]https://mobile.twitter.com/planet4589/status/
     A  A  A 961394843648954368
     A  A  A AA  A 6. [8][9]https://newatlas.com/spacex-
     A  A  A images-starman-asteroid/53301/
     A  A  A AA  A 7.
     [9][10]http://www.science20.com/robert_walker/will_elon_musks_
     A  A  A cherry_red_tesla_roadster_orbit_for_a_billion_years_
     A  A  A falcon_heavy_test_launch-230358
     A  A  A AA  A 8. javascript:void(0)
     A  A  A AA  A 9. [10][11]https://newatlas.com/kepler-
     A  A  A recovery-emergency-mode/42756/
     A  A  A AA  10.
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     A  A  A container.html
     A  A  A AA  11.
     [12][13]https://newatlas.com/apollo-moon-flags-standing/23523/
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     A  A 2.
     [17]https://tpc.googlesyndication.com/safeframe/1-0-15/html/containe
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     A  A 3. [18]https://newatlas.com/falcon-heavy-launch/53258/
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     A  A 5.
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   3. https://tpc.googlesyndication.com/safeframe/1-0-15/html/
   4. https://newatlas.com/falcon-heavy-launch/53258/
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   6. https://newatlas.com/new-horizons-pluto-flyby-nasa/34777/
   7. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAGEOS
   8. https://mobile.twitter.com/planet4589/status/
   9. https://newatlas.com/spacex-
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  12. https://tpc.googlesyndication.com/safeframe/1-0-15/html/
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  16. mailto:Larry at ohiotimecorp.com
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  18. https://newatlas.com/falcon-heavy-launch/53258/
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  23. https://newatlas.com/spacex-images-starman-asteroid/53301/
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