[DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate
Asa Jay Laughton
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Thu Feb 8 15:44:59 EST 2018
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Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
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On Feb 8, 2018, 11:21, at 11:21, cengles at cox.net wrote:
>
>Dear Terry,
>
> So....despite its relatively exotic construction, it would
>still suffer the fate of all sports cars shot to Mars: Radiation
>induced
>ionization causing metal (aluminum and steel) brittleness and ultimate
>fractures "torn into pieces".
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
>
>Only the underbody, to protect the battery from piercing. The chassis
>is made almost entirely
>from lightweight aluminum. High-strength boron steel is used to
>reinforce the aluminum at
>critical safety points.
>
>Internet Intel ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>" A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive! "
>
>Terry W. Himes
>JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>Dawn Spacecraft Team
>Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>Phone: (818) 393-6261
>Cell: (818) 653-8213
>thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
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>From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM
>To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "cengles at cox.net"
><cengles at cox.net>, Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
>sports car fate
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>Not in the least bit helped by the fact it is carbon fiber
>construction....
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>Julian
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>Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
>Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:01 AM
>To: cengles at cox.net; terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
>Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
>sports car fate
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><< If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then could
>
>it
>rust?????>>
>
>I would think not as you still need oxygen for it to rust. Look at
>some
>of
>the things found very very deep in the oceans where there is very
>little
>oxygen. Not as rusty as one would think.
>
>Larry (lives in rust) - Cleveland
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>Larry Homolak | 330-467-2430 | 330-467-9560 fax | Specialist
>
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>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
>sports
>car fate
>
>Dear Terry and Larry,
>
> Thank you very much for your replies.
>
> Larry-- Egad, I forgot about the warranty coverage!
>You're right.
>
> Terry--I would be eager to hear your "Wheels on Mars"
>presentation at the Fun Rally.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>PS: If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then
>could it rust?????
>
>
>On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
>
>> Ha! Chuck is baiting me. He knows I'll take it. ;-)
>> First, I'm a computer science major and a spacecraft system engineer.
>
>> So.
>> But with no oxygen there is probably no rust. But radiation will
>> eventually breakdown the metal structure, causing it to become
>brittle
>> and fracture. Ionization. But it's not quick. Electronics are more
>> susceptible to this, which is why we must fly RAD-hardened
>> electronics, avionics and science instruments. Humans, going beyond
>> our magnetosphere (1m miles out) will be susceptible to intense
>> radiation, as it will breakdown human DNA and cause rapid cancer.
>> Which is why Elon is NOT signing up for his trip to Mars! Smart.
>;-)
>> On another note, we calculated the trajectory of the spaceship Tesla,
>
>> and it might come close to the dwarf planet Ceres, where our Dawn
>> spacecraft is now. We don't want anything impacting Ceres until we
>can
>> send a lander there and investigate Occator crater and that white
>> stuff. Ceres has LOTS of water!!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJiw2NxqoBU&t=2s
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJiw2NxqoBU&t=2s>
>> My current Mission Manager:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBiUWI1EesE
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBiUWI1EesE>
>> Rover Status - Wheels On Mars: A presentation I've always wanted to
>> give to POCA. We are closely monitoring wheel damage. These wheels
>> were milled from blocks of solid aluminum, but are super thin. This
>> was done to reduce mass, to escape the gravity well we call Earth.
>But
>> the pointy lava rock on the way up Mt Sharp has done some major
>> damage.
>> We are now building Mars2020, here at JPL. It's the next rover. A
>test
>> rover has been running around our Mars Yard for weeks now. The new
>> Flight Software (FSW) is learning how to drive more autonomously. Ok.
>
>> Gotta get back to work.
>> ciao4now
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid
>
>> enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL
>Jet
>> Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>>
>> On 2/8/18, 7:32 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of cengles at cox.net"
>> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>> Dear Forum, I am hoping for Terry Himes
>> comment about the news item regarding the interplanetary Tesla
>> sports car headed toward the asteroid belt. The new item says
>> that, "scientists believe that radiation will tear the car into
>> pieces within a year." Can this be true?
>> Radiation tearing a car into pieces just like comic book
>stories??
>> Can this be 21st century sports car equivalent of.....rust????
>> Curious, Chuck Engles
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Pinky:A A Egad! Brain, so what do you suppose they make satellites
from?A Like that Vejer one from the space movie?
Brain:A A I'm not sure Pinky, we'll have to consult the Interweb
Infinite source of Knowledge.
Pinky:A whass that Brain?
Brain:A Wikipedia!
AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
On Feb 8, 2018, at 11:21, [1]cengles at cox.net wrote:
Dear Terry,
So....despite its relatively exotic construction, it would
still suffer the fate of all sports cars shot to Mars: Radiation induced
ionization causing metal (aluminum and steel) brittleness and ultimate
fractures "torn into pieces".
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
Only the underbody, to protect the battery from piercing. The chassis
is made almost entirely
from lightweight aluminum. High-strength boron steel is used to
reinforce the aluminum at
critical safety points.
Internet Intel ;-)
" A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive! "
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM
To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "cengles at cox.net"
<cengles at cox.net>, Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
sports car fate
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Not in the least bit helped by the fact it is carbon fiber
construction....
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Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
sports car fate
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<< If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then could
it
rust?????>>
I would think not as you still need oxygen for it to rust. Look at some
of
the things found very very deep in the oceans where there is very little
oxygen. Not as rusty as one would think.
Larry (lives in rust) - Cleveland
Thank you,
Larry Homolak | 330-467-2430 | 330-467-9560 fax | Specialist
Ohio Time Corp 9401 Olde Eight Rd. Northfield, Ohio 44067
[2]ohiotimecorp.com - human capital management services & technology
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acquisition/management
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Sent: February 08, 2018 12:43 PM
To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
sports
car fate
Dear Terry and Larry,
Thank you very much for your replies.
Larry-- Egad, I forgot about the warranty coverage!
You're right.
Terry--I would be eager to hear your "Wheels on Mars"
presentation at the Fun Rally.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
PS: If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then
could it rust?????
On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:
Ha! Chuck is baiting me. He knows I'll take it. ;-)
First, I'm a computer science major and a spacecraft system
engineer.
So.
But with no oxygen there is probably no rust. But radiation will
eventually breakdown the metal structure, causing it to become
brittle
and fracture. Ionization. But it's not quick. Electronics are more
susceptible to this, which is why we must fly RAD-hardened
electronics, avionics and science instruments. Humans, going beyond
our magnetosphere (1m miles out) will be susceptible to intense
radiation, as it will breakdown human DNA and cause rapid cancer.
Which is why Elon is NOT signing up for his trip to Mars! Smart. ;-)
On another note, we calculated the trajectory of the spaceship
Tesla,
and it might come close to the dwarf planet Ceres, where our Dawn
spacecraft is now. We don't want anything impacting Ceres until we
can
send a lander there and investigate Occator crater and that white
stuff. Ceres has LOTS of water!!
[3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJiw2NxqoBU&t=2s
<[4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJiw2NxqoBU&t=2s>
My current Mission Manager:
[5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBiUWI1EesE
<[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBiUWI1EesE>
Rover Status - Wheels On Mars: A presentation I've always wanted to
give to POCA. We are closely monitoring wheel damage. These wheels
were milled from blocks of solid aluminum, but are super thin. This
was done to reduce mass, to escape the gravity well we call Earth.
But
the pointy lava rock on the way up Mt Sharp has done some major
damage.
We are now building Mars2020, here at JPL. It's the next rover. A
test
rover has been running around our Mars Yard for weeks now. The new
Flight Software (FSW) is learning how to drive more autonomously.
Ok.
Gotta get back to work.
ciao4now
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid
enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL
Jet
Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team
Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 2/8/18, 7:32 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of cengles at cox.net"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
cengles at cox.net> wrote:
Dear Forum, I am hoping for Terry Himes
comment about the news item regarding the interplanetary Tesla
sports car headed toward the asteroid belt. The new item says
that, "scientists believe that radiation will tear the car into
pieces within a year." Can this be true?
Radiation tearing a car into pieces just like comic book stories??
Can this be 21st century sports car equivalent of.....rust????
Curious, Chuck Engles
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