[DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate

Thu Feb 8 15:08:52 EST 2018

Chuck,

I marked my calendar to email you in 50 years to check up on its out come.

Larry (what day is today) - Cleveland

From: Himes, Terry (397C) [mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov] 
Sent: February 08, 2018 2:28 PM
To: cengles at cox.net
Cc: julian_kift at hotmail.com; larry at ohiotimecorp.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate

Sure.  Let’s go with that.    ;-))

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes 

JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Dawn Spacecraft Team

Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

Phone: (818) 393-6261

Cell:     (818) 653-8213

thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

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From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:21 AM
To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: "julian_kift at hotmail.com" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "larry at ohiotimecorp.com" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate

Dear Terry,

           So....despite its relatively exotic construction, it would still suffer the fate of all sports cars shot to Mars: Radiation induced ionization causing metal (aluminum and steel) brittleness and ultimate fractures "torn into pieces".   

                        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:

 Only the underbody, to protect the battery from piercing.  The chassis is made almost entirely 

from lightweight aluminum. High-strength boron steel is used to reinforce the aluminum at 

critical safety points. 

Internet Intel   ;-) 

" A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 

 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive! " 

Terry W. Himes  

JPL  Jet Propulsion Laboratory 

Dawn Spacecraft Team 

Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 

Phone: (818) 393-6261 

Cell:     (818) 653-8213 

 <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('thimes at jpl.nasa.gov')> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> 

Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM 

To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>, Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 

Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 

Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate 

Not in the least bit helped by the fact it is carbon fiber construction.... 

Julian 

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Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:01 AM 

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate 

<< If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then could it 

rust?????>> 

I would think not as you still need oxygen for it to rust.  Look at some of 

the things found very very deep in the oceans where there is very little 

oxygen. Not as rusty as one would think. 

Larry (lives in rust) - Cleveland 

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From: DeTomaso [ mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com')> ] On Behalf 

Of cengles at cox.net 

Sent: February 08, 2018 12:43 PM 

To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports 

car fate 

Dear Terry and Larry, 

                Thank you very much for your replies. 

                Larry-- Egad, I forgot about the warranty coverage! 

You're right. 

                Terry--I would be eager to hear your "Wheels on Mars" 

presentation at the Fun Rally. 

                          Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles 

PS:  If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then 

could it rust????? 

On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: 

> Ha!  Chuck is baiting me. He knows I'll take it.  ;-) 

> 

> First, I'm a computer science major and a spacecraft system engineer. 

> So. 

> 

> But with no oxygen there is probably no rust.  But radiation will 

> eventually breakdown the metal structure, causing it to become brittle 

> and fracture. Ionization. But it's not quick.  Electronics are more 

> susceptible to 

> this, which is why we must fly RAD-hardened electronics, avionics and 

> science instruments. Humans, going beyond our magnetosphere (1m miles 

> out) will be susceptible to intense radiation, as it will breakdown 

> human DNA and cause rapid cancer.  Which is why Elon is NOT signing up 

> for his trip to Mars!   Smart. ;-) 

> 

> On another note, we calculated the trajectory of the spaceship Tesla, 

> and it might come close to the dwarf planet Ceres, where our Dawn 

> spacecraft is now. We don't want anything impacting Ceres until 

> we can send a lander there and investigate Occator crater and that 

> white stuff. Ceres has LOTS of water!! 

> 

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJiw2NxqoBU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJiw2NxqoBU&t=2s> &t=2s

> 

> My current Mission Manager: 

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBiUWI1EesE

> 

> Rover Status - Wheels On Mars: 

> A presentation I've always wanted to give to POCA. We are closely 

> monitoring wheel damage. These wheels 

> were milled from blocks of solid aluminum, but are super thin. This 

> was done to reduce mass, to escape the gravity well we call Earth. 

> But the pointy lava rock on the way up Mt Sharp has done some major 

> damage. 

> 

> We are now building Mars2020, here at JPL. It's the next rover. A test 

> rover has been running around our Mars Yard for weeks now. The new 

> Flight Software (FSW) is learning how to drive more autonomously. 

> Ok. Gotta get back to work. 

> 

> ciao4now 

> 

> Terry 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 

>  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 

>  Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 

> Dawn Spacecraft Team 

> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 

> Phone: (818) 393-6261 

> Cell:     (818) 653-8213 

> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 

> 

> 

> On 2/8/18, 7:32 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of cengles at cox.net" 

> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 

> cengles at cox.net> wrote: 

> 

>         Dear Forum, 

>                      I am hoping for Terry Himes comment about the 

> news item     regarding the interplanetary Tesla sports car headed 

> toward the asteroid     belt.  The new item says that, "scientists 

> believe that radiation will     tear the car into pieces within a 

> year." 

>                      Can this be true?   Radiation tearing a car into 

> pieces     just like comic book stories?? 

>                      Can this be 21st century sports car equivalent 

> of.....rust???? 

>                                  Curious,  Chuck Engles 

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   Chuck,

   I marked my calendar to email you in 50 years to check up on its out
   come.

   Larry (what day is today) - Cleveland

   From: Himes, Terry (397C) [mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov]
   Sent: February 08, 2018 2:28 PM
   To: cengles at cox.net
   Cc: julian_kift at hotmail.com; larry at ohiotimecorp.com;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
   sports car fate

   Sure.  Let's go with that.    ;-))

   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   Dawn Spacecraft Team

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
   Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:21 AM
   To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Cc: "julian_kift at hotmail.com" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
   "larry at ohiotimecorp.com" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
   "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
   sports car fate

   Dear Terry,

              So....despite its relatively exotic construction, it would
   still suffer the fate of all sports cars shot to Mars: Radiation
   induced ionization causing metal (aluminum and steel) brittleness and
   ultimate fractures "torn into pieces".

                           Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

   On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:

    Only the underbody, to protect the battery from piercing.  The chassis
   is made almost entirely

   from lightweight aluminum. High-strength boron steel is used to
   reinforce the aluminum at

   critical safety points.

   Internet Intel   ;-)

   " A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive! "

   Terry W. Himes

   JPL  Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   Dawn Spacecraft Team

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>

   Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM

   To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "cengles at cox.net"
   <cengles at cox.net>, Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>

   Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
   sports car fate

   Not in the least bit helped by the fact it is carbon fiber
   construction....

   Julian

   ___________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>

   Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:01 AM

   To: cengles at cox.net; terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov

   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
   sports car fate

   << If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then could
   it

   rust?????>>

   I would think not as you still need oxygen for it to rust.  Look at
   some of

   the things found very very deep in the oceans where there is very
   little