[DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate

Himes, Terry (397C) terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
Thu Feb 8 14:27:34 EST 2018


Sure.  Let’s go with that.    ;-))



"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
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From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:21 AM
To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: "julian_kift at hotmail.com" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "larry at ohiotimecorp.com" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate

Dear Terry,


           So....despite its relatively exotic construction, it would still suffer the fate of all sports cars shot to Mars: Radiation induced ionization causing metal (aluminum and steel) brittleness and ultimate fractures "torn into pieces".


                        Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles



On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:

 Only the underbody, to protect the battery from piercing.  The chassis is made almost entirely
from lightweight aluminum. High-strength boron steel is used to reinforce the aluminum at
critical safety points.

Internet Intel   ;-)





" A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive! "

Terry W. Himes
JPL  Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM
To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>, Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate

Not in the least bit helped by the fact it is carbon fiber construction....

Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports car fate

<< If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then could it
rust?????>>

I would think not as you still need oxygen for it to rust.  Look at some of
the things found very very deep in the oceans where there is very little
oxygen. Not as rusty as one would think.

Larry (lives in rust) - Cleveland




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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary sports
car fate

Dear Terry and Larry,


                Thank you very much for your replies.

                Larry-- Egad, I forgot about the warranty coverage!
You're right.

                Terry--I would be eager to hear your "Wheels on Mars"
presentation at the Fun Rally.


                          Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles


PS:  If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then
could it rust?????




On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:

> Ha!  Chuck is baiting me. He knows I'll take it.  ;-)
>
> First, I'm a computer science major and a spacecraft system engineer.
> So.
>
> But with no oxygen there is probably no rust.  But radiation will
> eventually breakdown the metal structure, causing it to become brittle
> and fracture. Ionization. But it's not quick.  Electronics are more
> susceptible to
> this, which is why we must fly RAD-hardened electronics, avionics and
> science instruments. Humans, going beyond our magnetosphere (1m miles
> out) will be susceptible to intense radiation, as it will breakdown
> human DNA and cause rapid cancer.  Which is why Elon is NOT signing up
> for his trip to Mars!   Smart. ;-)
>
> On another note, we calculated the trajectory of the spaceship Tesla,
> and it might come close to the dwarf planet Ceres, where our Dawn
> spacecraft is now. We don't want anything impacting Ceres until
> we can send a lander there and investigate Occator crater and that
> white stuff. Ceres has LOTS of water!!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJiw2NxqoBU&t=2s
>
> My current Mission Manager:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBiUWI1EesE
>
> Rover Status - Wheels On Mars:
> A presentation I've always wanted to give to POCA. We are closely
> monitoring wheel damage. These wheels
> were milled from blocks of solid aluminum, but are super thin. This
> was done to reduce mass, to escape the gravity well we call Earth.
> But the pointy lava rock on the way up Mt Sharp has done some major
> damage.
>
> We are now building Mars2020, here at JPL. It's the next rover. A test
> rover has been running around our Mars Yard for weeks now. The new
> Flight Software (FSW) is learning how to drive more autonomously.
> Ok. Gotta get back to work.
>
> ciao4now
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>  Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>
>
> On 2/8/18, 7:32 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of cengles at cox.net"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
>         Dear Forum,
>                      I am hoping for Terry Himes comment about the
> news item     regarding the interplanetary Tesla sports car headed
> toward the asteroid     belt.  The new item says that, "scientists
> believe that radiation will     tear the car into pieces within a
> year."
>                      Can this be true?   Radiation tearing a car into
> pieces     just like comic book stories??
>                      Can this be 21st century sports car equivalent
> of.....rust????
>                                  Curious,  Chuck Engles
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   Sure.  Let's go with that.    ;-))




   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"


   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   Dawn Spacecraft Team

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

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   From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
   Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:21 AM
   To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Cc: "julian_kift at hotmail.com" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
   "larry at ohiotimecorp.com" <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
   "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
   sports car fate


   Dear Terry,

              So....despite its relatively exotic construction, it would
   still suffer the fate of all sports cars shot to Mars: Radiation
   induced ionization causing metal (aluminum and steel) brittleness and
   ultimate fractures "torn into pieces".



                           Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

   On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:


    Only the underbody, to protect the battery from piercing.  The chassis
   is made almost entirely

   from lightweight aluminum. High-strength boron steel is used to
   reinforce the aluminum at

   critical safety points.


   Internet Intel   ;-)






   " A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive! "


   Terry W. Himes

   JPL  Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   Dawn Spacecraft Team

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov



   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>

   Date: Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10 AM

   To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>, "cengles at cox.net"
   <cengles at cox.net>, Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>

   Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
   sports car fate


   Not in the least bit helped by the fact it is carbon fiber
   construction....


   Julian

   ___________________________________


   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>

   Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:01 AM

   To: cengles at cox.net; terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov

   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
   sports car fate


   << If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then could
   it

   rust?????>>


   I would think not as you still need oxygen for it to rust.  Look at
   some of

   the things found very very deep in the oceans where there is very
   little

   oxygen. Not as rusty as one would think.


   Larry (lives in rust) - Cleveland

   Thank you,


   Larry Homolak | 330-467-2430  | 330-467-9560 fax | Specialist


   Ohio Time Corp  9401 Olde Eight Rd. Northfield, Ohio 44067


   ohiotimecorp.com - human capital management services & technology


   payroll - time & attendance - HR management - benefits - talent

   acquisition/management


   making technology and people one since 1976




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   Of cengles at cox.net

   Sent: February 08, 2018 12:43 PM

   To: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov

   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: space radiation and the interplanetary
   sports

   car fate


   Dear Terry and Larry,

                   Thank you very much for your replies.


                   Larry-- Egad, I forgot about the warranty coverage!

   You're right.


                   Terry--I would be eager to hear your "Wheels on Mars"

   presentation at the Fun Rally.

                             Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles

   PS:  If the Tesla crashed into Ceres and landed in Cerian ice, then

   could it rust?????

   On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote:


   > Ha!  Chuck is baiting me. He knows I'll take it.  ;-)

   >

   > First, I'm a computer science major and a spacecraft system engineer.

   > So.

   >

   > But with no oxygen there is probably no rust.  But radiation will

   > eventually breakdown the metal structure, causing it to become
   brittle

   > and fracture. Ionization. But it's not quick.  Electronics are more

   > susceptible to

   > this, which is why we must fly RAD-hardened electronics, avionics and

   > science instruments. Humans, going beyond our magnetosphere (1m miles

   > out) will be susceptible to intense radiation, as it will breakdown

   > human DNA and cause rapid cancer.  Which is why Elon is NOT signing
   up

   > for his trip to Mars!   Smart. ;-)

   >

   > On another note, we calculated the trajectory of the spaceship Tesla,

   > and it might come close to the dwarf planet Ceres, where our Dawn

   > spacecraft is now. We don't want anything impacting Ceres until

   > we can send a lander there and investigate Occator crater and that

   > white stuff. Ceres has LOTS of water!!

   >

   > [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJiw2NxqoBU&t=2s

   >

   > My current Mission Manager:

   > [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBiUWI1EesE

   >

   > Rover Status - Wheels On Mars:

   > A presentation I've always wanted to give to POCA. We are closely

   > monitoring wheel damage. These wheels

   > were milled from blocks of solid aluminum, but are super thin. This

   > was done to reduce mass, to escape the gravity well we call Earth.

   > But the pointy lava rock on the way up Mt Sharp has done some major

   > damage.

   >

   > We are now building Mars2020, here at JPL. It's the next rover. A
   test

   > rover has been running around our Mars Yard for weeks now. The new

   > Flight Software (FSW) is learning how to drive more autonomously.

   > Ok. Gotta get back to work.

   >

   > ciao4now

   >

   > Terry

   >

   >

   >

   >

   > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

   >  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   >  Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   > Dawn Spacecraft Team

   > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   > Phone: (818) 393-6261

   > Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   >

   >

   > On 2/8/18, 7:32 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of cengles at cox.net"

   > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of

   > cengles at cox.net> wrote:

   >

   >         Dear Forum,

   >                      I am hoping for Terry Himes comment about the

   > news item     regarding the interplanetary Tesla sports car headed

   > toward the asteroid     belt.  The new item says that, "scientists

   > believe that radiation will     tear the car into pieces within a

   > year."

   >                      Can this be true?   Radiation tearing a car into

   > pieces     just like comic book stories??

   >                      Can this be 21st century sports car equivalent

   > of.....rust????

   >                                  Curious,  Chuck Engles

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