[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 174, Issue 3

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     Today's Topics:
     1. Re: The Water Restrictor Plate Below the Thermostat (Mike Drew)
     2. The Water Restrictor Plate Below the Thermostat (Larry Finch)
     3. Re: The Water Restrictor Plate Below the Thermostat (Mike Drew)
     4. Re: The Water Restrictor Plate Below the Thermostat (Larry Finch)
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     Message: 1
     Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 11:16:35 -0800
     From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     To: Charles Engles <xcfengles at gmail.com>
     Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Water Restrictor Plate Below the
     Thermostat
     Message-ID: <DB55BC20-C7C1-4AF2-9609-2EC650E085BF at aol.com>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
     Guys,
     Here is a 180 degree OEM-style 351C thermostat from NAPA auto parts:
     [3]https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/MRD197
     Note that it?s stated that it is appropriate for both the 351C and
     351W. I suppose it would work fine in a Windsor because the hat
     wouldn?t interfere with anything, but I have verified that this is a
     Cleveland-specific unit.
     Works good, lasts long time?and costs eight bucks.
     The original thermostat was 192 degrees (or 195? I can?t remember)
     and those are available too from various makers, as are 160 degree
     units which are arguably much too cold.
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On Dec 2, 2018, at 10:53, Charles Engles <xcfengles at gmail.com>
     wrote:
     >
     > Dear Forum,
     >
     > Another option would be a currently manufactured real Cleveland
     thermostat, although it is a bit more than $7 (???)
     >
     > [4]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/high-flo-thermostat/
     >
     > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
     >
     >
     >> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:29 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >> Jack,
     >>
     >> I buy thermostats for people all the time. Conventional OEM-style
     thermostats for the 351C cost the same as their Windsor
     counterparts, around $7. It?s true that since Robertshaw
     discontinued their 351C model, if you want a Robertshaw thermostat
     you have to buy one that has been customized from a Windsor model,
     from Marlin Jack, and due to the amount of work involved, those are
     very expensive indeed!
     >>
     >> The pressed-on ?hat? on the Cleveland thermostat adds to its
     diameter to partially (not fully) obstruct the orifice in the disc
     in the block, but I don?t believe it adds significantly to its
     height? If that supposition is correct, then potentially either a
     Windsor or Cleveland thermostat could be blocked from fully opening
     if the disc in the block was solid. There is a significant amount of
     vertical travel when the thermostat fully opens and although I never
     thought about it until now, and don?t have an engine to reference to
     test the hypothesis, it wouldn?t surprise me if you have hit on yet
     another disadvantage to modifying the cooling system in this manner.
     >>
     >> Mike
     >>
     >> Sent from my iPad
     >>
     >> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 00:03, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >> >
     >> > With some brands of thermostats, if the recirculation port is
     closed
     >> > off with a plug (small vent hole or not) instead of the std
     brass ring,
     >> > the 351-C 'thimble' on the end of the thermostat may hit the
     plug
     >> > before the thermostat fully opens. This could in turn restrict
     the main
     >> > water flow and cause water temps to be a bit higher. Plus, it's
     a waste
     >> > of money- the 351C thermostat is significantly more expensive
     than a
     >> > generic Windsor thermostat. Easy fix: try a Windsor and see!
     >> > My 2A-c-- J DeRyke
     >> >
     >> > -----Original Message-----
     >> > From: Mike Becker <mikebecker679 at gmail.com>
     >> > To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'San Diego
     Panteras'
     >> > <sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
     >> > Sent: Sat, Dec 1, 2018 9:33 pm
     >> > Subject: [DeTomaso] The Water Restrictor Plate Below the
     Thermostat
     >> > See the link below and the description of 2 flavors of
     restrictor
     >> > plate. My engine has the solid aluminum plate with the tiny
     hole.
     >> > But
     >> > I have always run the 351C unique thermostat. My engine has
     always
     >> > run
     >> > a bit hot, usually over 200, even on the highway. I noticed
     this
     >> > article says "This unit (restrictor plate with the tiny hole)
     must be
     >> > used in conjunction with a [1]standard thermostat , you cannot
     use
     >> > the
     >> > 351C unique thermostat with this block off plate."
     >> > Does anyone know if this is true? Could this be the reason my
     engine
     >> > runs hot? Actually my engine currently doesn't run at all due
     to a
     >> > destroyed rod journal. My engine is currently out and in
     pieces, so
     >> > I'm wondering if I should change to the original big-hole
     restrictor
     >> > or
     >> > keep the small-hole restrictor and switch to a non-351c
     standard
     >> > thermostat.
     >> >
     [2][1][5]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplate.ht
     ml
     >> > thanks,
     >> > mike
     >> > References
     >> > 1. [2][6]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/thm170.html
     >> > 2.
     [3][7]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplate.html
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     >> > 1.
     [9]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplate.html
     >> > 2. [10]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/thm170.html
     >> > 3.
     [11]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplate.html
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     Guys,
     Here is a 180 degree OEM-style 351C thermostat from NAPA auto parts:
     [1][15]https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/MRD197
     Note that it's stated that it is appropriate for both the 351C and
     351W. I suppose it would work fine in a Windsor because the hat
     wouldn't interfere with anything, but I have verified that this is a
     Cleveland-specific unit.
     Works good, lasts long time--and costs eight bucks.
     The original thermostat was 192 degrees (or 195? I can't remember)
     and
     those are available too from various makers, as are 160 degree units
     which are arguably much too cold.
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     On Dec 2, 2018, at 10:53, Charles Engles <[2]xcfengles at gmail.com>
     wrote:
     Dear Forum,
     Another option would be a currently manufactured real
     Cleveland thermostat, although it is a bit more than $7 (???)
     [3][16]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/high-flo-thermostat/
     Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
     On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:29 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     Jack,
     I buy thermostats for people all the time. Conventional OEM-style
     thermostats for the 351C cost the same as their Windsor
     counterparts, around $7. It's true that since Robertshaw
     discontinued their 351C model, if you want a Robertshaw thermostat
     you have to buy one that has been customized from a Windsor model,
     from Marlin Jack, and due to the amount of work involved, those are
     very expensive indeed!
     The pressed-on `hat' on the Cleveland thermostat adds to its
     diameter to partially (not fully) obstruct the orifice in the disc
     in the block, but I don't believe it adds significantly to its
     height? If that supposition is correct, then potentially either a
     Windsor or Cleveland thermostat could be blocked from fully opening
     if the disc in the block was solid. There is a significant amount
     of vertical travel when the thermostat fully opens and although I
     never thought about it until now, and don't have an engine to
     reference to test the hypothesis, it wouldn't surprise me if you
     have hit on yet another disadvantage to modifying the cooling system
     in this manner.
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On Dec 2, 2018, at 00:03, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
     <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >
     > With some brands of thermostats, if the recirculation port is
     closed
     > off with a plug (small vent hole or not) instead of the std
     brass ring,
     > the 351-C 'thimble' on the end of the thermostat may hit the
     plug
     > before the thermostat fully opens. This could in turn restrict
     the main
     > water flow and cause water temps to be a bit higher. Plus, it's
     a waste
     > of money- the 351C thermostat is significantly more expensive
     than a
     > generic Windsor thermostat. Easy fix: try a Windsor and see!
     > My 2A-c-- J DeRyke
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: Mike Becker <[6]mikebecker679 at gmail.com>
     > To: detomaso <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'San Diego
     Panteras'
     > <[8]sdpanteras at googlegroups.com>
     > Sent: Sat, Dec 1, 2018 9:33 pm
     > Subject: [DeTomaso] The Water Restrictor Plate Below the
     Thermostat
     > See the link below and the description of 2 flavors of
     restrictor
     > plate. My engine has the solid aluminum plate with the tiny
     hole.
     > But
     > I have always run the 351C unique thermostat. My engine has
     always
     > run
     > a bit hot, usually over 200, even on the highway. I noticed
     this
     > article says "This unit (restrictor plate with the tiny hole)
     must be
     > used in conjunction with a [1]standard thermostat , you cannot
     use
     > the
     > 351C unique thermostat with this block off plate."
     > Does anyone know if this is true? Could this be the reason my
     engine
     > runs hot? Actually my engine currently doesn't run at all due
     to a
     > destroyed rod journal. My engine is currently out and in
     pieces, so
     > I'm wondering if I should change to the original big-hole
     restrictor
     > or
     > keep the small-hole restrictor and switch to a non-351c
     standard
     > thermostat.
     >
     [2][1][9][17]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplat
     e.ht
     ml
     > thanks,
     > mike
     > References
     > 1. [2][10][18]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/thm170.html
     > 2.
     [3][11][19]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplate.
     html
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     l
     > 2. [15][22]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/thm170.html
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     References
     1. [27]https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/MRD197
     2. mailto:xcfengles at gmail.com
     3. [28]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/high-flo-thermostat/
     4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     6. mailto:mikebecker679 at gmail.com
     7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     8. mailto:sdpanteras at googlegroups.com
     9. [29]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplate.html
     10. [30]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/thm170.html
     11.
     [31]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplate.html
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     14.
     [33]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplate.html
     15. [34]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/thm170.html
     16.
     [35]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/waterrestrictplate.html
     17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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     Message: 2
     Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 19:32:12 -0800
     From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
     To: Email List Address For Posting
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: [DeTomaso] The Water Restrictor Plate Below the Thermostat
     Message-ID: <F431FD47-8840-4350-A518-6AC99D7DD939 at aol.com>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
     All,
     A stock Pantera 351C cooling system has five (six with pulley)
     specific design components in the engine.
     Water pump WITH bypass passage
     Water pump impeller WITHOUT backing plate
     Restrictor plate in block
     High-flow thermostat*
     Thermostat with ?hat?
     * I have heard/read multiple times, and have personally come to
     believe, that the Cleveland OEM thermostat was the high-flow version
     with the hat.
     Tim Meyer (he is the vendor who took over the Todd Buttermore
     Cleveland project and is now providing aluminum and iron blocks) has
     retooled the original high flow Cleveland thermostat($32), as Thomas
     and Chuck have previously mentioned. He also has a proper restrictor
     plate ($20) ($49-the set) for the block. 160-180-195 versions.
     Personally I have no problem spending $32 to purchase an OEM-correct
     high-flow thermostat from a vendor who has stepped forward and made
     them readily available.
     I don?t believe the money saved with a NAPA standard-flow thermostat
     justifies the restriction to coolant flow that must surely come with
     that non-OEM style.
     Now in practice, we all know there are many approaches to cooling
     that will provide acceptable performance.
     Example:
     2511 when purchased had the pinhole restrictor plate, a Windsor
     standard flow thermostat, and the Weiand water pump which does not
     have the bypass passage. That engine did not run hot, did not boil
     over; performed just fine year after year. It actually had zero out
     of the five design components mentioned above. :-o ;-)
     Maybe the Weiand water pump impeller that has a backing plate
     increased water flow enough that the standard flow thermostat
     restriction was neutralized?
     Whatever, it worked.
     Perhaps logic, and respect for the original Ford-engineered system,
     would seem to suggest the standard .... starting.... point for any
     351C cooling system should incorporate all five of the above design
     components.
     Then, if you have cooling issues you know that you have at least
     started with the correct OEM design.
     Larry
     Impeller backing plate
     Undersized WP pulley
     Single-dual-pass radiator
     160-180-195 thermostats
     Brass-aluminum radiator
     Upright or laydown
     And..........and..... :-)
     Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
     ------------------------------
     Message: 3
     Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 19:44:33 -0800
     From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>, De Tomaso Forum
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Water Restrictor Plate Below the
     Thermostat
     Message-ID: <61045CD9-F73E-4686-80A4-B3505716C231 at aol.com>
     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
     Larry,
     Panteras came with standard thermostats. Standard thermostats are
     not ?high flow?. Those weren?t even invented back then, I don?t
     think.
     I have removed original thermostats from original Pantera engines. I
     used to have one as a visual aid but I must have thrown it out, as I
     can?t find it now. It was seriously crusty but still worked.
     Standard style, Ford markings, 19x degrees (192 or 195, I still
     can?t remember).
     I?m with you?I would buy the Tim Meyer version over the cheap ones,
     although it?s just for superstitious reasons. I can?t say I have
     ever heard of a quantifiable improvement that resulted from using
     one over the other.
     John Christian once explained to me the argument against blocking
     off the bypass passage (either with a water pump that lacks the
     port, or a blockoff plate). Thermal shock, cavitation, steam pockets
     etc were some of the reasons he gave.
     He helped invent the 351C so I?ll take him at his word! Note that I
     don?t claim any specific expertise. I just know and trust some
     really smart people. :)
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On Dec 2, 2018, at 19:32, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >
     > All,
     >
     > A stock Pantera 351C cooling system has five (six with pulley)
     specific design components in the engine.
     >
     > Water pump WITH bypass passage
     > Water pump impeller WITHOUT backing plate
     >
     > Restrictor plate in block
     >
     > High-flow thermostat*
     > Thermostat with ?hat?
     >
     > * I have heard/read multiple times, and have personally come to
     believe, that the Cleveland OEM thermostat was the high-flow version
     with the hat.
     >
     > Tim Meyer (he is the vendor who took over the Todd Buttermore
     Cleveland project and is now providing aluminum and iron blocks) has
     retooled the original high flow Cleveland thermostat($32), as Thomas
     and Chuck have previously mentioned. He also has a proper restrictor
     plate ($20) ($49-the set) for the block. 160-180-195 versions.
     >
     > Personally I have no problem spending $32 to purchase an
     OEM-correct high-flow thermostat from a vendor who has stepped
     forward and made them readily available.
     >
     > I don?t believe the money saved with a NAPA standard-flow
     thermostat justifies the restriction to coolant flow that must
     surely come with that non-OEM style.
     >
     > Now in practice, we all know there are many approaches to cooling
     that will provide acceptable performance.
     >
     > Example:
     >
     > 2511 when purchased had the pinhole restrictor plate, a Windsor
     standard flow thermostat, and the Weiand water pump which does not
     have the bypass passage. That engine did not run hot, did not boil
     over; performed just fine year after year. It actually had zero out
     of the five design components mentioned above. :-o ;-)
     >
     > Maybe the Weiand water pump impeller that has a backing plate
     increased water flow enough that the standard flow thermostat
     restriction was neutralized?
     >
     > Whatever, it worked.
     >
     > Perhaps logic, and respect for the original Ford-engineered
     system, would seem to suggest the standard .... starting.... point
     for any 351C cooling system should incorporate all five of the above
     design components.
     >
     > Then, if you have cooling issues you know that you have at least
     started with the correct OEM design.
     >
     > Larry
     >
     > Impeller backing plate
     > Undersized WP pulley
     > Single-dual-pass radiator
     > 160-180-195 thermostats
     > Brass-aluminum radiator
     > Upright or laydown
     > And..........and..... :-)
     >
     >
     > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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     Message: 4
     Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 23:44:43 -0800
     From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
     To: Email List Address For Posting
     <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Water Restrictor Plate Below the
     Thermostat
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     All,
     I am quite sure hi-flow thermostats were available for the
     Cleveland, as evidenced by this drawing attributed to, and certainly
     appearing to be from, Ford.
     It clearly depicts a hi-flow style thermostat.
     Larry
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