[DeTomaso] My Speedometer Cable Challenges.....continued
Mike Reilly
reillyms at live.com
Sun Aug 26 13:54:37 EDT 2018
Hi all. Well, I bought another speedo cable from another vendor and had similar problems. My original email thread is at the bottom of this mail. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Problem 1: The cables I received from both vendors (calling them A and B) have the inner cable installed completely opposite each other in the outer sheaths (see pic attached). Which is correct? I no longer have my factory cable as reference (it got tossed by accident).
Problem 2: I know my speedo is good and the ZF angle drive is good based on other testing described below. I also have had both cables installed with gentle curves to ensure not binding. However, neither cable works in my stock 1974 Pantera.
* Vendor A cable: when installed I found that the needle bounces terribly. I tried various lubes (see earlier thread below) but nothing worked. I also connected a power drill to the inner cable end on the ZF side with the cable completely out of the car and laying completely flat and straight and only hooked up on the speedo end and still got a very bouncy needle. Seemed the inner cable was not engaging the speedo fully even though I had it attached fully to the speedo. Since it was beyond my return window I decided to go with another vendor, Vendor B.
* Vendor B cable: Looks just like Vendor A’s cable so I assume they come from the same source? Anyway, this cable has the collared part of the inner cable on the ZF side which is completely opposite of how Vendor A sold it. So I install B’s cable on the speedo end first and routed it with big curves to the back of the car. I attached a power drill to the ZF side of the inner cable to test it out and find that it works perfectly and the speedo is very smooth. I’m happy and go to connect the ZF end to the angle adaptor. I then find that the collared part attached to the inner cable prevents the cable from engaging deep enough on the ZF angle adapter to allow me to thread the outer cable female nut to the male threaded part of the ZF angle adaptor. Ugh. So I then take out the inner cable and install it into the outer cable sheath as in how Vendor A had it. I connect the speedo side and then try the power drill attached to the ZF side test again and get bad speedo needle bouncing just as I saw with Vendor A’s cable. Ugh!
Solutions? Any help is appreciated.
* I plan to call Vendor B this week for help or a refund since his cable looks the same and have the same issue as Vendor A’s cable and I don’t need two of these that don’t work.
* I do remember another member sharing that he had to machine down the thickness of the collar on the inner cable to get his to work and engage properly. I can’t find that mail thread with his pictures in my files so if he or someone else can send me that mail I’d appreciate it.
* I may look at the generic Summit inner cable that was shared in Robert Stroj’s recent mail thread. I buy from all our vendors and have for nearly 30 years but I may need to go with custom generic inner cable to make this work properly : (
Thanks, Mike Reilly
From: Don Franck<mailto:panteradon at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:27 PM
Cc: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which Speedometer Cable
I had the same problem and tried different lubes. This one solved the
issue:
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On Sunday, April 22, 2018, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
> Hi all. I own a 1974 Pantera and my speedo needle was bouncing quite a
> bit. I had the original speedo cable and lubed it previously to fix
> any bouncing but it was time for a new one recently as lubing it failed
> to work any longer.
>
>
> I bought one from one of our vendors and installed it using the same
> routing as my old cable. The bouncing was now WAY worse and noisy to
> boot (clicking noise that increased with speed). It seemed the inner
> cable was catching and then releasing within the outer sheath. I
> pulled the inner cable and it looked pretty dry so I lubed it with
> white lithium grease. No improvement. I then cleaned off all the
> grease from the inner cable with parts cleaner and also ran parts
> cleaner down the inside of the outer sheath until it came out clean on
> the other side. I noted some metal fragments stuck inside the sheath
> on the trans end of the sheath opening. I pulled them our with
> tweezers (2 small pieces). I didn't see any missing metal from the new
> inner cable. Anyway, I then lubed the inner cable with dry graphite
> lubricant and installed it back into the sheath from the speedo side.
> I hooked up everything and checked that the routing had nice gentle
> curves. The speedo needle still bounced a lot and made a clicking
> noise. I disconnected the speedo cable from the speedo end and drove
> around and still heard the clicking. I put my hand on the end of the
> speedo cable and felt it turning but it a jerky motion. I believe I
> got a crappy speedo cable. I didn't contact the vendor as I don't
> think they will take it back after I tried two different lubes on it.
> I also don't think I want the same one in return as it seemed of poor
> quality. I've bought plenty from them before but really don't want
> another one of their speedo cables.
>
>
> Any recommended speedo cables that folks have found to be of high
> quality? I see some vendors have what they call "heavy duty" cables.
> I don't mind paying more for a good product. Not sure if all the
> vendors source these from the same place or not. My speedo seems in
> good shape (car only has 30K miles) and the angle drive on my transaxle
> is in great shape. I also know to get the angle drive nut adjusted in
> the proper way to get it's fork fully engaged on the transaxle output
> drive tab.
>
>
> Thanks in advance, Mike R.
>
--
Don
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Hi all. Well, I bought another speedo cable from another vendor and
had similar problems. My original email thread is at the bottom of
this mail. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Problem 1: The cables I received from both vendors (calling them A and
B) have the inner cable installed completely opposite each other in the
outer sheaths (see pic attached). Which is correct? I no longer have
my factory cable as reference (it got tossed by accident).
Problem 2: I know my speedo is good and the ZF angle drive is good
based on other testing described below. I also have had both cables
installed with gentle curves to ensure not binding. However, neither
cable works in my stock 1974 Pantera.
* Vendor A cable: when installed I found that the needle bounces
terribly. I tried various lubes (see earlier thread below) but
nothing worked. I also connected a power drill to the inner cable
end on the ZF side with the cable completely out of the car and
laying completely flat and straight and only hooked up on the
speedo end and still got a very bouncy needle. Seemed the inner
cable was not engaging the speedo fully even though I had it
attached fully to the speedo. Since it was beyond my return window
I decided to go with another vendor, Vendor B.
* Vendor B cable: Looks just like Vendor A's cable so I assume they
come from the same source? Anyway, this cable has the collared
part of the inner cable on the ZF side which is completely opposite
of how Vendor A sold it. So I install B's cable on the speedo end
first and routed it with big curves to the back of the car. I
attached a power drill to the ZF side of the inner cable to test it
out and find that it works perfectly and the speedo is very
smooth. I'm happy and go to connect the ZF end to the angle
adaptor. I then find that the collared part attached to the inner
cable prevents the cable from engaging deep enough on the ZF angle
adapter to allow me to thread the outer cable female nut to the
male threaded part of the ZF angle adaptor. Ugh. So I then take
out the inner cable and install it into the outer cable sheath as
in how Vendor A had it. I connect the speedo side and then try the
power drill attached to the ZF side test again and get bad speedo
needle bouncing just as I saw with Vendor A's cable. Ugh!
Solutions? Any help is appreciated.
* I plan to call Vendor B this week for help or a refund since his
cable looks the same and have the same issue as Vendor A's cable
and I don't need two of these that don't work.
* I do remember another member sharing that he had to machine down
the thickness of the collar on the inner cable to get his to work
and engage properly. I can't find that mail thread with his
pictures in my files so if he or someone else can send me that mail
I'd appreciate it.
* I may look at the generic Summit inner cable that was shared in
Robert Stroj's recent mail thread. I buy from all our vendors and
have for nearly 30 years but I may need to go with custom generic
inner cable to make this work properly : (
Thanks, Mike Reilly
From: [1]Don Franck
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:27 PM
Cc: [2]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Which Speedometer Cable
I had the same problem and tried different lubes. This one solved the
issue:
[3]https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww
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On Sunday, April 22, 2018, Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com> wrote:
> Hi all. I own a 1974 Pantera and my speedo needle was bouncing
quite a
> bit. I had the original speedo cable and lubed it previously to
fix
> any bouncing but it was time for a new one recently as lubing it
failed
> to work any longer.
>
>
> I bought one from one of our vendors and installed it using the
same
> routing as my old cable. The bouncing was now WAY worse and noisy
to
> boot (clicking noise that increased with speed). It seemed the
inner
> cable was catching and then releasing within the outer sheath. I
> pulled the inner cable and it looked pretty dry so I lubed it with
> white lithium grease. No improvement. I then cleaned off all the
> grease from the inner cable with parts cleaner and also ran parts
> cleaner down the inside of the outer sheath until it came out
clean on
> the other side. I noted some metal fragments stuck inside the
sheath
> on the trans end of the sheath opening. I pulled them our with
> tweezers (2 small pieces). I didn't see any missing metal from
the new
> inner cable. Anyway, I then lubed the inner cable with dry
graphite
> lubricant and installed it back into the sheath from the speedo
side.
> I hooked up everything and checked that the routing had nice
gentle
> curves. The speedo needle still bounced a lot and made a
clicking
> noise. I disconnected the speedo cable from the speedo end and
drove
> around and still heard the clicking. I put my hand on the end of
the
> speedo cable and felt it turning but it a jerky motion. I
believe I
> got a crappy speedo cable. I didn't contact the vendor as I don't
> think they will take it back after I tried two different lubes on
it.
> I also don't think I want the same one in return as it seemed of
poor
> quality. I've bought plenty from them before but really don't
want
> another one of their speedo cables.
>
>
> Any recommended speedo cables that folks have found to be of high
> quality? I see some vendors have what they call "heavy duty"
cables.
> I don't mind paying more for a good product. Not sure if all the
> vendors source these from the same place or not. My speedo seems
in
> good shape (car only has 30K miles) and the angle drive on my
transaxle
> is in great shape. I also know to get the angle drive nut
adjusted in
> the proper way to get it's fork fully engaged on the transaxle
output
> drive tab.
>
>
> Thanks in advance, Mike R.
>
--
Don
References
1. mailto:panteradon at gmail.com
2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
3. https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acehardware.com%2Fproduct%2Findex.jsp%3FproductId%3D3506024%26KPID%3D5754396%26cid%3DCAPLA%3AG%3AShopping_-_Lubrication_Products%26pla%3Dpla_5754396%26k_clickid%3Dc02368ba-aaca-4449-82f0-6ffb2fde05b8%26gclid%3DEAIaIQobChMIr_G5y57P2gIVCwppCh1D2QDwEAQYAiABEgLEpPD_BwE&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cce6a16104fc643d8176e08d5a8b9514f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636600436237107306&sdata=jQmdzIgkbTQ%2FGsnIsKb%2Fd4mr6WksHUqMYYDHxc%2BQEoo%3D&reserved=0
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