[DeTomaso] 351C New Parts

[cengles at cox.net]

Dear Mike and Dave,


           I can also recommend Dave McLain in Cuba, Missouri.  He did 
some intake manifold testing for me and was very pleasant and easy to 
work with.  He is very knowledgeable about Cleveland engines.   Mike's 
anecdote about local vs specialist is also a common sad tale. 
Clevelands ain't Chevy small blocks and shops that don't see Clevelands 
treat them as a SBC or SBF and that leads to trouble.

           To digress to the surprising fact that major metropolitan 
areas (Houston, Bay Area, etc ) don't have readily available machine 
shops or engine builders that understand the Cleveland engine: it is a 
paradox that with large populations there is a dearth of Cleveland 
expertise.  The Houston guys send their engines to a shop in Arkansas. 
My brother in Houston sent his to my favorite shop here in Oklahoma City 
where I am blessed with having close proximity to an excellent 
machinist, engine builder and friend.  I think Dan Jones in St. Louis 
patronizes Dave McLain in Cuba, Missouri.


                       Warmest regards, Chuck Engles





On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Mike Drew wrote:

> Dave,
>
> I think your budget is much too high considering your extremely modest 
> ambitions. Either lower your budget to match your ambitions, or raise 
> your ambitions to match your budget.
> I would be extremely reticent about using a local shop, unless they 
> have EXTENSIVE experience with the 351C.  I live in the San Francisco 
> Bay Area (well, just outside of it actually) and while there are some 
> excellent engine shops here, none had what I felt was adequate 
> knowledge of the peculiarities of the 351C.  This is why both my 
> engine (408 inch roller cam aluminum head street monster) and Lori’s 
> engine (which you hopefully just read about) were packed up and 
> shipped to Dave McClain in Missouri.
> The resultant engines were both far better than what we likely could 
> have achieved locally, and even factoring in the shipping expenses 
> (about $800 each way) they were also considerably cheaper than what we 
> would have paid locally.
> Lori’s engine is relatively standard yet is substantially better than 
> stock, and the engine build (including intake manifold porting and 
> dyno tuning) was under $3000 (plus shipping). Meanwhile, a guy near me 
> who didn’t know any better had a local shop rebuild his engine, and 
> they made all sorts of design mistakes along the way (such as 
> retaining the pathetic open-chambered iron heads) and he paid more 
> than $7000!  I can guarantee that Lori’s car will easily walk away 
> from his, while still retaining all the virtues of a stock engine 
> (smooth idle, good brake vacuum, good economy, and a very broad 
> powerband), and for less than half the cost to boot.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 9, 2018, at 15:37, "djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com" 
>> <djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Charles
>>   Rebuild the engine. I want to maintain as much stock as possible.
>>   Casual use. A local shop will do the work Budget $6,000?
>>   Thanks
>>   Dave
>>   Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone
>>
>>   ------ Original message------
>>   From: Charles Engles
>>   Date: Thu, Aug 9, 2018 4:00 PM
>>   To: 'David Jenkins';'Detomaso';
>>   Cc:
>>   Subject:RE: [DeTomaso] 351C New Parts
>> Dear Dave,
>>
>>
>>                 Could you provide more details?
>>
>>                  Rebuilding a 351C, heads, short block, etc?
>>
>>                  If you're rebuilding the engine, then stock stroke 
>> or
>> stroker?   What is the expected purpose of the engine: track, street, 
>> casual
>> use, stock re-build?  EFI or carb?
>>
>>                  Budget?    You're doing the engine assembly?
>>
>>
>>                                     Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso [mailto[1]:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] 
>> On Behalf
>> Of David Jenkins
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:46 PM
>> To: 'Detomaso'
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] 351C New Parts
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone please remind me where to find the list of recommended new 
>> parts for
>> a rebuild.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Dave
>>
>> References
>>
>>   1. mailto::detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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