[DeTomaso] Deck lid warping

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sun Apr 1 20:56:07 EDT 2018 

I haven't seen any examples of reinforcement, but neither have I heard that it's a particularly common issue. You can likely get away with carefully welding up the cracks, especially if wanting to avoid repainting and if considering the IPSCO mount location.


For the spider I would use a quality metal to metal panel bonding adhesive, you usually can't go wrong with 3M products, although Eastwood have some great products too.


Julian

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Thanks Jack,

Following your advise I did find some stress cracks near the hinges (photos attached).

Are there any examples for welding reinforcement to this area?

The spider is certainly no longer attached, I will also try to re-glue, any thoughts on what products to use?

Dave

On 2 Apr 2018, at 6:14 am, jderyke at aol.com<mailto:jderyke at aol.com> wrote:

Dave, its not unknown that the stock reinforcing deck lid 'spider' inside comes loose from the decklid skin. The spider was never firmly attached, only crimped around the edges, with a kind of 'body-putty' between most of the rest, to hold it against the skin. I think the spider is mostly for vibration suppression or drumming, but your problem is so unusual. Maybe scrape the old stuff out and re-glue the spider to the inside of the skin with something better?

If you push down on the bowed-up deck lid when its closed, what parts move most to close up the gaps? You might actually have a stress crack in the metal skin near an edge. Depending on how much it bugs you, you could try to find a different deck lid- even a fiberglas replica. Good luck- J DeRyke


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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Deck lid warping

Thanks Julian,

The hinges seem ok, with flexing appearing to be left and right of the
hinges towards the outside of the car.

Very difficult to understand where exactly or where how what to weld.

Perhaps the IPSCO solution is my only option.
Dave

On 2 Apr 2018, at 12:47 am, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
wrote:

It is certainly possible, but would likely involve welding IMO. Where
is it flexing? I ask as one of my hinges let go from the decklid on a
Monterey trip, which made for an interesting few days with some
judicially placed towels and tie downs. Upon arriving home I was able
to weld it back together without too much damage to the paint.
Similarly you may need to strengthen around the hinges, but identifying
exactly where yours is flexing is first task.

To alleviate some of the pressure on that area you could try (and I
thoroughly recommend) the IPSCO decklid shock and mounting relocation
kit. As I have said previously the stock decklid shocks are mounted too
close to the pivot point, with all the force directly upward and just
alleviating some of that may be enough, but it would seem if your
decklid is flexing that much you have another underlying problem. The
good thing is yours returns back to normal, whereas most of the
stressed decklids I have seen do not and they are extremely
difficult to correct.

Julian
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck lid warping

Dear list members,
My June '72 suffers "splaying" of the sides of the deck lid leaving
large gaps between the lid and the body, while the hinge/top of the
deck lid appears largely static.
This occurs even with gas struts (non original) that are not strong
enough to hold the lid in the open position.
With lift struts removed the lid settles to nice shut lines.
Is it possible to strengthen the deck to stop this?
Thanks in advance,
Dave
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   I haven't seen any examples of reinforcement, but neither have I heard
   that it's a particularly common issue. You can likely get away with
   carefully welding up the cracks, especially if wanting to avoid
   repainting and if considering the IPSCO mount location.

   For the spider I would use a quality metal to metal panel bonding
   adhesive, you usually can't go wrong with 3M products, although
   Eastwood have some great products too.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: David & Michele <sullivanabode at bigpond.com>
   Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 4:53 PM
   To: jderyke at aol.com
   Cc: julian_kift at hotmail.com; DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Deck lid warping

   Thanks Jack,
   Following your advise I did find some stress cracks near the hinges
   (photos attached).
   Are there any examples for welding reinforcement to this area?
   The spider is certainly no longer attached, I will also try to re-glue,
   any thoughts on what products to use?
   Dave
   On 2 Apr 2018, at 6:14 am, [1]jderyke at aol.com wrote:

   Dave, its not unknown that the stock reinforcing deck lid 'spider'
   inside comes loose from the decklid skin. The spider was never firmly
   attached, only crimped around the edges, with a kind of 'body-putty'
   between most of the rest, to hold it against the skin. I think the
   spider is mostly for vibration suppression or drumming, but your
   problem is so unusual. Maybe scrape the old stuff out and re-glue the
   spider to the inside of the skin with something better?
   If you push down on the bowed-up deck lid when its closed, what parts
   move most to close up the gaps? You might actually have a stress crack
   in the metal skin near an edge. Depending on how much it bugs you, you
   could try to find a different deck lid- even a fiberglas replica. Good
   luck- J DeRyke
   -----Original Message-----
   From: David & Michele <[2]sullivanabode at bigpond.com>
   To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso <[4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2018 12:56 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Deck lid warping
   Thanks Julian,
   The hinges seem ok, with flexing appearing to be left and right of the
   hinges towards the outside of the car.
   Very difficult to understand where exactly or where how what to weld.
   Perhaps the IPSCO solution is my only option.
   Dave
   On 2 Apr 2018, at 12:47 am, Julian Kift <[1][5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   It is certainly possible, but would likely involve welding IMO. Where
   is it flexing? I ask as one of my hinges let go from the decklid on a
   Monterey trip, which made for an interesting few days with some
   judicially placed towels and tie downs. Upon arriving home I was able
   to weld it back together without too much damage to the paint.
   Similarly you may need to strengthen around the hinges, but identifying
   exactly where yours is flexing is first task.
   To alleviate some of the pressure on that area you could try (and I
   thoroughly recommend) the IPSCO decklid shock and mounting relocation
   kit. As I have said previously the stock decklid shocks are mounted too
   close to the pivot point, with all the force directly upward and just
   alleviating some of that may be enough, but it would seem if your
   decklid is flexing that much you have another underlying problem. The
   good thing is yours returns back to normal, whereas most of the
   stressed decklids I have seen do not and they are extremely
   difficult to correct.
   Julian
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   Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2018 10:51 PM
   To: [4][8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck lid warping
   Dear list members,
   My June '72 suffers "splaying" of the sides of the deck lid leaving
   large gaps between the lid and the body, while the hinge/top of the
   deck lid appears largely static.
   This occurs even with gas struts (non original) that are not strong
   enough to hold the lid in the open position.
   With lift struts removed the lid settles to nice shut lines.
   Is it possible to strengthen the deck to stop this?
   Thanks in advance,
   Dave
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