[DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered vehicles
Jerry Knotts
knottsj at galstar.com
Wed Sep 27 20:05:24 EDT 2017
Seems as if I remember that the Russian had a hell of a time getting
their SST parts to fit and making if fly. The plans had been stolen and
had to be converted to metric. Sounds easy but apparently wasn't.
Testing the software is always the problem. A simple change in one
place could effect other code catastrophically. The 2000 debacle showed
itself at American Airlines in 1996 when applied to freight scheduling
contracts that went 5 yrs.
Things have changed since I started on a tube machine (Univac 1050) in
1966 but overall are still the same.
Master if the Itty Bitty Machine,
jerry knotts
On 9/27/2017 5:31 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
> I just have little confidence in software. Unless some form of
> discipline has been developed to avoid unintended results, it requires
> a massive software validation effort to find all the bugs in autonomous
> system software. One sign error, resolving angles between 0 and 360
> versus -180 and +180, using a measurement taken before a maneuver to
> determine guidance after and maneuver, etc. can cause crazy results.
> I saw all of this in a torpedo development program. It could be really
> embarrassing in a test environment where one or two SSNs had to be
> available for exercises, but no one died.
> Ken
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Darrell Mountjoy <dsmtjoy at cox.net>
> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered
> vehicles
> Ken-
>
> Living / working in Whittier ( L.A. County ), you know what Terry is
> talking about with the L.A. drivers. Agreed, the hackers are a major
> concern to self-driving vehicles.
>
> Darrell
>
>
> From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:52 AM
> To: Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>; Darrell Mountjoy
> <dsmtjoy at cox.net>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered
> vehicles
>
> Based on how unreliable our PCs are, I am not optimistic about self
> driving cars, at least not until there are a lot of miles to exercise
> the software. And then, someone can hack into the software and drive
> you to a convenient location to rob you.
>
> It is really sad, but I suspect many young people would gladly accept
> living in a pod with a virtual reality existence as in the MATRIX
> movies. Young people don't like getting dirty, hitting knuckles,
> bleeding, or anything like real life. C. S. Lewis wrote a short book
> titled "The Abolition of Man" maybe 60 years ago, and I think he
> painted a picture of the future on mankind. If you ever feel like
> being humbled by a glimpse into the mind of a brilliant thinker, it's a
> good read.
>
> Ken
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> To: Darrell Mountjoy <[2]dsmtjoy at cox.net>;
> "[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
> <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered
> vehicles
>
> Clearly you havenat tried to drive in LA LA Land. Plus 50% DONaT know
> how to drive and 49% are total inconsiderate A-holes!!
> (which only self-driving cars will solve). I just got back from Canada
> where the people truly know how to drive and are considerate! It was
> fantastic!
> Anda| that would leave more gas for us Pantera owners. Every time I
> pass a Prius I wave and say aThank You!a More fuel for me.
> Of course, by 2040, Iall probably be dead, soa| WTFDIC ;-)
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> d--od-,
>
> References
>
> 1. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
> 2. mailto:dsmtjoy at cox.net
> 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> 5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
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Seems as if I remember that the Russian had a hell of a time getting
their SST parts to fit and making if fly. The plans had been stolen
and had to be converted to metric. Sounds easy but apparently wasn't.
Testing the software is always the problem. A simple change in one
place could effect other code catastrophically. The 2000 debacle
showed itself at American Airlines in 1996 when applied to freight
scheduling contracts that went 5 yrs.
Things have changed since I started on a tube machine (Univac 1050) in
1966 but overall are still the same.
Master if the Itty Bitty Machine,
jerry knotts
On 9/27/2017 5:31 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
I just have little confidence in software. Unless some form of
discipline has been developed to avoid unintended results, it requires
a massive software validation effort to find all the bugs in autonomous
system software. One sign error, resolving angles between 0 and 360
versus -180 and +180, using a measurement taken before a maneuver to
determine guidance after and maneuver, etc. can cause crazy results.
I saw all of this in a torpedo development program. It could be really
embarrassing in a test environment where one or two SSNs had to be
available for exercises, but no one died.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Darrell Mountjoy [1]<dsmtjoy at cox.net>
To: 'Ken Green' [2]<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered
vehicles
Ken-
Living / working in Whittier ( L.A. County ), you know what Terry is
talking about with the L.A. drivers. Agreed, the hackers are a major
concern to self-driving vehicles.
Darrell
From: Ken Green [[4]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:52 AM
To: Himes, Terry (397C) [5]<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>; Darrell Mountjoy
[6]<dsmtjoy at cox.net>; [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered
vehicles
Based on how unreliable our PCs are, I am not optimistic about self
driving cars, at least not until there are a lot of miles to exercise
the software. And then, someone can hack into the software and drive
you to a convenient location to rob you.
It is really sad, but I suspect many young people would gladly accept
living in a pod with a virtual reality existence as in the MATRIX
movies. Young people don't like getting dirty, hitting knuckles,
bleeding, or anything like real life. C. S. Lewis wrote a short book
titled "The Abolition of Man" maybe 60 years ago, and I think he
painted a picture of the future on mankind. If you ever feel like
being humbled by a glimpse into the mind of a brilliant thinker, it's a
good read.
Ken
_______________________________________________________________________
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" [8]<[1]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Darrell Mountjoy [9]<[2]dsmtjoy at cox.net>;
[10]"[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
[11]<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered
vehicles
Clearly you havenat tried to drive in LA LA Land. Plus 50% DONaT know
how to drive and 49% are total inconsiderate A-holes!!
(which only self-driving cars will solve). I just got back from Canada
where the people truly know how to drive and are considerate! It was
fantastic!
Anda| that would leave more gas for us Pantera owners. Every time I
pass a Prius I wave and say aThank You!a More fuel for me.
Of course, by 2040, Iall probably be dead, soa| WTFDIC ;-)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[[12]5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
d--od-,
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