[DeTomaso] yes, the square thing does that
Pantdino
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Sat Sep 9 18:27:14 EDT 2017
I reassembled the switch without the cube-with-a-ridge-on-it and now I don't have to go back to the zero position to reengage the starter motor.
The contacts were coated with what looked like dried up grease. They cleaned up easily and I put a THIN layer of dielectric grease on things.
I love how the Factory wiring diagram does not give the colors of the wires actually coming from the switch to the connection box.
Jim
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From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
To: thomas <thomas at hax.se>; marshallgsmith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: MikeLDrew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; julian_kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 9, 2017 12:43 pm
Subject: is it the square thing with the tiny spring inside the ignition switch that makes you back the switch off before you can engage the starter motor again?
this is a follow up on the "run position of ignition switch is dead" post. The switch is apart and i have conductivity thru the connector dealie and down-current side of the switch.
the contacts were coated with dried up grease, which i cleaned up and used fine steel wood on to get them shiny
It looks like the ball bearing and larger spring determine the detents, while the small cube with a ridge on it are what make you have to turn the key back to the acc position before you can engage the starter again. My car frequently takes 2 tries to get it to run from cold, and I find having to rotate the switch so much annoying. If I leave the cube and spring out, will the switch work but I not have to do that?
Thanks,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Törnblom <thomas at hax.se>
To: marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Mon, Sep 4, 2017 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Run position of ignition switch kaputt?
The gauges would still work if the ballast is broken, so the ignition switch is still the likely issue here.
> 5 sep. 2017 kl. 07:51 skrev marshall smith <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>:
>
> That is exactly how a car would act that had a bad ballast resistor...
> If you still have one on your car, check it.
>
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> From:"Pantdino via DeTomaso" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date:Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:42 PM
> Subject:Re: [DeTomaso] Run position of ignition switch kaputt?
> Thanks guys!
> Fortunately the car is dead over my low-rise lift, so that should
> help
> getting my old body into the correct contortions to get under the
> dash.
> :)
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso at detomasolist.com>; Pantdino
> <[5]pantdino at aol.com>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 4, 2017 4:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Run position of ignition switch kaputt?
> Jim,
> While I would agree that it's probably the switch, I would first
> check
> the junction block that connects the wires from the ignition switch
> to
> the rest of the harness. It's an incredibly hokey connector that can
> overheat and melt, especially if high-current fans and headlights are
> fitted. Dot be surprised if your switch is fine but this connector is
> sizzled.
> To access it you have to drop the steering column. Follow Bill
> Taylor's
> advice--remove the two short bolts closest to the front of the car
> and
> replace them with much longer bolts, just threaded in a few turns.
> Then
> remove the rear bolts and allow the column to hang from the long
> bolts.
> This affords good access without stressing the wiring and connectors
> and let's you get the plastic housing off from around the ignition
> switch.
> If necessary it's very easy to replace the electrical portion of the
> ignition switch. The plastic housings around the switch are held in
> with the two bolts you removed, one Phillips screw and one machine
> screw. Be sure to pay attention which one goes where and remember
> that
> it's possible to short things out if you use a too-long screw....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Sep 4, 2017, at 17:35, Julian Kift
> <[1][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think you hit it, ignition switch, to test locate the terminal
> block
>> about 6 " from the ignitions switch under the dash / column and
> jumper
>> the battery live to the run wire. The electrical portion is held on
> to
>> the back of the ignition switch with two screws. You can remove it,
>> carefully bend the housing tabs and pry it apart, being equally
> careful
>> not to lose the spring and ball bearing. The copper ring gets
> gummed
> up
>> over time, I cleaned mine up re-greased and no further issues.
>>
>> Alternatively for the electrically challenged Larry Finch always
> had
> a
>> good stock of the electrical portions.
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[2][7]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
>> Pantdino via DeTomaso <[3][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 2:29 PM
>> To: [4][9]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Run position of ignition switch kaputt?
>>
>> My car had no symptoms of this previously, but today when I went to
>> start it it would only run as long as the key was in the "engage
>> starter motor" position. As soon as I released the key back to the
> Run
>> position it would stop
>> After several episodes of that, it did start and I backed it out of
> the
>> garage, but then it died and refused to start again.
>> There is no power to the gauges or warning lights in the Run
> position.
>> I had similar symptoms with my Alfa once, and it was a bad ignition
>> switch.
>> Anything else it could be? I am not very good with wiring diagrams,
> so
>> I thought I'd turn to everyone's extensive knowledge before
> struggling
>> with it.
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
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I reassembled the switch without the cube-with-a-ridge-on-it and now I
don't have to go back to the zero position to reengage the starter
motor.
The contacts were coated with what looked like dried up grease. They
cleaned up easily and I put a THIN layer of dielectric grease on
things.
I love how the Factory wiring diagram does not give the colors of the
wires actually coming from the switch to the connection box.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Pantdino <pantdino at aol.com>
To: thomas <thomas at hax.se>; marshallgsmith
<marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: MikeLDrew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; julian_kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomaso <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 9, 2017 12:43 pm
Subject: is it the square thing with the tiny spring inside the
ignition switch that makes you back the switch off before you can
engage the starter motor again?
this is a follow up on the "run position of ignition switch is dead"
post. The switch is apart and i have conductivity thru the connector
dealie and down-current side of the switch.
the contacts were coated with dried up grease, which i cleaned up and
used fine steel wood on to get them shiny
It looks like the ball bearing and larger spring determine the detents,
while the small cube with a ridge on it are what make you have to turn
the key back to the acc position before you can engage the starter
again. My car frequently takes 2 tries to get it to run from cold, and
I find having to rotate the switch so much annoying. If I leave the
cube and spring out, will the switch work but I not have to do that?
Thanks,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas TAP:rnblom <[1]thomas at hax.se>
To: marshall smith <[2]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Pantdino <[3]pantdino at aol.com>; Mike Drew <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
julian_kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomaso
<[6]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 4, 2017 11:40 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Run position of ignition switch kaputt?
The gauges would still work if the ballast is broken, so the ignition
switch is still the likely issue here.
> 5 sep. 2017 kl. 07:51 skrev marshall smith
<[7]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>:
>
> That is exactly how a car would act that had a bad ballast
resistor...
> If you still have one on your car, check it.
>
> [1]Sent from AT&T Mail on Android
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From:"Pantdino via DeTomaso" <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Date:Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:42 PM
> Subject:Re: [DeTomaso] Run position of ignition switch kaputt?
> Thanks guys!
> Fortunately the car is dead over my low-rise lift, so that should
> help
> getting my old body into the correct contortions to get under the
> dash.
> :)
> Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Drew <[2][9]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: Julian Kift <[3][10]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso <[4][11]detomaso at detomasolist.com>; Pantdino
> <[5][12]pantdino at aol.com>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 4, 2017 4:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Run position of ignition switch kaputt?
> Jim,
> While I would agree that it's probably the switch, I would first
> check
> the junction block that connects the wires from the ignition switch
> to
> the rest of the harness. It's an incredibly hokey connector that can
> overheat and melt, especially if high-current fans and headlights are
> fitted. Dot be surprised if your switch is fine but this connector is
> sizzled.
> To access it you have to drop the steering column. Follow Bill
> Taylor's
> advice--remove the two short bolts closest to the front of the car
> and
> replace them with much longer bolts, just threaded in a few turns.
> Then
> remove the rear bolts and allow the column to hang from the long
> bolts.
> This affords good access without stressing the wiring and connectors
> and let's you get the plastic housing off from around the ignition
> switch.
> If necessary it's very easy to replace the electrical portion of the
> ignition switch. The plastic housings around the switch are held in
> with the two bolts you removed, one Phillips screw and one machine
> screw. Be sure to pay attention which one goes where and remember
> that
> it's possible to short things out if you use a too-long screw....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Sep 4, 2017, at 17:35, Julian Kift
> <[1][6][13]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think you hit it, ignition switch, to test locate the terminal
> block
>> about 6 " from the ignitions switch under the dash / column and
> jumper
>> the battery live to the run wire. The electrical portion is held on
> to
>> the back of the ignition switch with two screws. You can remove it,
>> carefully bend the housing tabs and pry it apart, being equally
> careful
>> not to lose the spring and ball bearing. The copper ring gets
> gummed
> up
>> over time, I cleaned mine up re-greased and no further issues.
>>
>> Alternatively for the electrically challenged Larry Finch always
> had
> a
>> good stock of the electrical portions.
>>
>> Julian
>> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[2][7][14]bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
on
> behalf of
>> Pantdino via DeTomaso <[3][8][15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 2:29 PM
>> To: [4][9][16]detomaso at detomasolist.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Run position of ignition switch kaputt?
>>
>> My car had no symptoms of this previously, but today when I went to
>> start it it would only run as long as the key was in the "engage
>> starter motor" position. As soon as I released the key back to the
> Run
>> position it would stop
>> After several episodes of that, it did start and I backed it out of
> the
>> garage, but then it died and refused to start again.
>> There is no power to the gauges or warning lights in the Run
> position.
>> I had similar symptoms with my Alfa once, and it was a bad ignition
>> switch.
>> Anything else it could be? I am not very good with wiring diagrams,
> so
>> I thought I'd turn to everyone's extensive knowledge before
> struggling
>> with it.
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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