[DeTomaso] De Tomaso mock ups sell for realistic prices

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Thu Sep 7 15:51:34 EDT 2017 

A quick Google search provided a news article stating that 1,500 2004-06 Gallardo's were recalled for fire hazard related to the power steering issue Mike cited. Yes a 2012 article, but as we all know stigma's tend to be hard to shake off....


A more recent article states; "Until the Ferrari 458 Italia came around, the Lamborghini Gallardo was the undisputed king of supercar fires."


Julian

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 12:42 PM
To: 'Mike Drew'
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso mock ups sell for realistic prices

Mike,

Ok so you are just generalizing because you heard of someone having a
problem and now you assume it is a huge problem for all Gallardo's.
("bursting into flames" with little provocation)

I did a Google search and didn't find much. In addition, I am very connected
to the Lamborghini world and have never heard of a problem with Gallardo's
bursting into flames.

I thought you actually had information about a known problem that Gallardo
owners should be aware of and apply some sort of fix...

As ASA would say, "never mind"

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Bell
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso mock ups sell for realistic prices

Scott,

It's a thing they like to do. A friend had his go up because a power
steering hose burst and sprayed the exhaust. But they have several failure
modes.

Do a Google image search and you will see a bunch!

Mike

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:29, Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Can I get more information on the propensity of Lamborghini Gallardo's
"bursting into flames" with little provocation?
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 5:41 AM
> To: Julian Kift
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso mock ups sell for realistic prices
>
> Julian,
>
> I don't think the Guara body was a production body. I think it was just a
clay or plastic mockup, but I'm not positive about that. You're right
though--if it was a genuine body it would have had considerable worth,
especially if it could be mated to one of the several burned-out Guaras that
are out there. (Guaras had defective fuel line plumbing, not unlike
Lamborghini Gallardos, and have shown an unfortunate propensity to burst
into flame with very little provocation....)
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 07:35, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Holy cow Batman, I'm sure the seller is devastated, I guess that's where
a 'no reserve' auction can bite you. But as they say value is what the
market determines and automobilia like this takes up a lot of space, the
Nuevo Pantera probably deserves to be in a museum.
>>
>>
>>
>> At that price the Guara body may represent a cheap source of parts to
marry up with the burnt out shell of a Guara PIM still has for sale.
>>
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:22 AM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso mock ups sell for realistic prices
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> A few days ago we were speaking of the De Tomaso mock-up bodies that were
coming up for auction in Sotheby's in England. I reported that I believed
they had simply been snatched from the De Tomaso facility after having been
abandoned by De Tomaso, then tarted up and marketed by a hopeful punter who
was seeking something on the order of 100k Euros for the Nuevo Pantera.
>>
>> After years of trying and failing to find a buyer, he put them up for
auction. The Guara was just a bare body with no chassis or wheels.  It was
estimated at $40-51k but sold for only $4,536. The Nuevo Pantera was
estimated at $90-116k but sold for only $20,737.
>>
>> Both represent very realistic selling prices in my view.....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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   A quick Google search provided a news article stating that 1,500
   2004-06 Gallardo's were recalled for fire hazard related to the power
   steering issue Mike cited. Yes a 2012 article, but as we all know
   stigma's tend to be hard to shake off....

   A more recent article states; "Until the Ferrari 458 Italia came
   around, the Lamborghini Gallardo was the undisputed king of supercar
   fires."

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net>
   Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 12:42 PM
   To: 'Mike Drew'
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso mock ups sell for realistic prices

   Mike,
   Ok so you are just generalizing because you heard of someone having a
   problem and now you assume it is a huge problem for all Gallardo's.
   ("bursting into flames" with little provocation)
   I did a Google search and didn't find much. In addition, I am very
   connected
   to the Lamborghini world and have never heard of a problem with
   Gallardo's
   bursting into flames.
   I thought you actually had information about a known problem that
   Gallardo
   owners should be aware of and apply some sort of fix...
   As ASA would say, "never mind"
   Scott
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Mike Drew [[1]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
   Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Bell
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso mock ups sell for realistic prices
   Scott,
   It's a thing they like to do. A friend had his go up because a power
   steering hose burst and sprayed the exhaust. But they have several
   failure
   modes.
   Do a Google image search and you will see a bunch!
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:29, Scott Bell <scott at saccrestorations.net>
   wrote:
   >
   > Mike,
   >
   > Can I get more information on the propensity of Lamborghini
   Gallardo's
   "bursting into flames" with little provocation?
   >
   > Scott
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf
   Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 5:41 AM
   > To: Julian Kift
   > Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso mock ups sell for realistic prices
   >
   > Julian,
   >
   > I don't think the Guara body was a production body. I think it was
   just a
   clay or plastic mockup, but I'm not positive about that. You're right
   though--if it was a genuine body it would have had considerable worth,
   especially if it could be mated to one of the several burned-out Guaras
   that
   are out there. (Guaras had defective fuel line plumbing, not unlike
   Lamborghini Gallardos, and have shown an unfortunate propensity to
   burst
   into flame with very little provocation....)
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPad
   >
   >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 07:35, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >>
   >> Holy cow Batman, I'm sure the seller is devastated, I guess that's
   where
   a 'no reserve' auction can bite you. But as they say value is what the
   market determines and automobilia like this takes up a lot of space,
   the
   Nuevo Pantera probably deserves to be in a museum.
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> At that price the Guara body may represent a cheap source of parts
   to
   marry up with the burnt out shell of a Guara PIM still has for sale.
   >>
   >>
   >> Julian
   >>
   >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:22 AM
   >> To: De Tomaso Forum
   >> Subject: [DeTomaso] De Tomaso mock ups sell for realistic prices
   >>
   >> Guys,
   >>
   >> A few days ago we were speaking of the De Tomaso mock-up bodies that
   were
   coming up for auction in Sotheby's in England. I reported that I
   believed
   they had simply been snatched from the De Tomaso facility after having
   been
   abandoned by De Tomaso, then tarted up and marketed by a hopeful punter
   who
   was seeking something on the order of 100k Euros for the Nuevo Pantera.
   >>
   >> After years of trying and failing to find a buyer, he put them up
   for
   auction. The Guara was just a bare body with no chassis or wheels.  It
   was
   estimated at $40-51k but sold for only $4,536. The Nuevo Pantera was
   estimated at $90-116k but sold for only $20,737.
   >>
   >> Both represent very realistic selling prices in my view.....
   >>
   >> Mike
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPad
   >> _______________________________________________
   >>
   >>
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