[DeTomaso] NPC (sort of) TIG Welder Recommendations

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Tue Oct 31 16:45:04 EDT 2017


Cory, I have done a lot of fabrication  and lots of  large aluminum pieces that make up stuff like built up engine blocks , fixing broken blocks and heads ,  Uprights for race cars etc:One of the most useful tool additions is an electric hot plate and or an old electric range. Before you start on big pieces it is always better to preheat them for welding and keep some additional heat during the welding process. By bringing the aluminum part up to temperature before welding you can actually get better welds with almost any machine , I have done 1/4 and 1/2 inch thick plate to castings by this method, with only AC 150 amps available , you may need to get some non flammable  high temperature blanket material to place over the part to help keep the heat in the part in the area not being welded  because aluminum conducts heat away from the weld zone into the air so fast that it takes lots of BTU's to keep a large part hot allover.  Next is that the old range can also be used to bring back the strength after welding , this is done by placing the finished welded part in the oven at 400-450f  for 4 to 6 hours  on 6061 t6 that has been welded,  as welded it is only a T4 or lower  so solution hardening  works on aluminum all the way down into the 256 f  with longer times. Electric heating is safer and does not introduce combustion products into the weld zone or aluminum because of the highly concentrated flame areas. however a torch with several rosebud tips can help get a big part hot quicker  then use the electric to keep the temperature up; just be wary that the flame should be kept moving so the part does not get damaged. 
jg
      From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
 To: coreyjprice at gmail.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (sort of) TIG Welder Recommendations
   
  Cory, due to aluminum's excellent heat radiation, it takes a LOT of
  amperage to weld aluminum or mag, especially big chunks like heads and
  blocks. I learned on a 300 Miller and own a Lincoln 300/300 TIG/Arc,
  and I seldom go over 100 amps with stainless or mild steel (straight
  polarity). But with aluminum (reverse polarity), I often use 300 amps
  for good penetration- on heads or trannys for instance. I also use
  straight argon but if you're rich, straight helium will increase a
  machine's capability with a given amperage. My mentor once told me,
  'You can learn to TIG-weld aluminum in 15 minutes. To get good at it
  will take a lifetime'. He was right. I've been at this for 35 yrs and
  I'm still only a metal-melter, not a pro welder.
  TIG welding is like riding a motorcycle: you need both hands and at
  least one foot to simultaneously control everything so coordination is
  important. Besides the TIG machine and a torch, you'll also need a gas
  flow meter, a foot pedal amp controller, a big gas bottle for argon or
  helium and a regulated water supply & drain if you decide to use a
  water-cooled torch. Air cooled TIG-torches throw off a LOT of heat- I
  have both and seldom use the air cooled one- too clumsy and you'll find
  yourself using thick welder's gloves with the air cooled version. Which
  makes handling the big air-torch even more clumsy.
  You'll also need a package of tungsten electrodes in various sizes & a
  grinder to sharpen them and remove 'oopsies', as accidently touching
  the tungsten electrode with an aluminum feeder rod while running a bead
  will instantly coat the exposed electrode with aluminum. This stops the
  welding process. It also sometimes shocks you if you're welding
  barehanded. Its a lot like gas welding steel except melting aluminum
  doesn't change color- it turns into a vapor. One last caution: TIG-ing
  in shirt sleeves for more than about 5 minutes will sunburn any exposed
  skin- your neck, under your arms etc  due to the intense UV from the
  torch. Good luck and as in most things, practice a lot!
  J DeRyke
  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
  of
  Corey Price <[2]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 2:53 PM
  To: Detomaso
  Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC (sort of) TIG Welder Recommendations
  I'm looking for a decent TIG welder, around 200 amps, AC/DC, preferably
  with pulse capabilities. Does anyone have a strong recommendation? I'll
  just be using this at home for the Pantera and other things and not be
  doing this for a living. I've been learning to TIG weld at a local
  applied
  tech college as part of their community outreach. I'm leaning toward a
  Lincoln Squarewave 200, but also watching the local online classifieds.
  Corey
  P.S. I almost got the instructor to help us learn to weld magnesium
  (thinking of Campi wheels) but the magnesium filler rod is really
  expensive
  and out of his budget...
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   Cory,
   I have done a lot of fabrication  and lots of  large aluminum pieces
   that make up stuff like built up engine blocks , fixing broken blocks
   and heads ,  Uprights for race cars etc:
   One of the most useful tool additions is an electric hot plate and or
   an old electric range. Before you start on big pieces it is always
   better to preheat them for welding and keep some additional heat during
   the welding process. By bringing the aluminum part up to temperature
   before welding you can actually get better welds with almost any
   machine , I have done 1/4 and 1/2 inch thick plate to castings by this
   method, with only AC 150 amps available , you may need to get some non
   flammable  high temperature blanket material to place over the part to
   help keep the heat in the part in the area not being welded  because
   aluminum conducts heat away from the weld zone into the air so fast
   that it takes lots of BTU's to keep a large part hot allover.  Next is
   that the old range can also be used to bring back the strength after
   welding , this is done by placing the finished welded part in the oven
   at 400-450f  for 4 to 6 hours  on 6061 t6 that has been welded,  as
   welded it is only a T4 or lower  so solution hardening  works on
   aluminum all the way down into the 256 f  with longer times. Electric
   heating is safer and does not introduce combustion products into the
   weld zone or aluminum because of the highly concentrated flame areas.
   however a torch with several rosebud tips can help get a big part hot
   quicker  then use the electric to keep the temperature up; just be wary
   that the flame should be kept moving so the part does not get damaged.
   jg
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   From: Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   To: coreyjprice at gmail.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 3:15 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC (sort of) TIG Welder Recommendations
     Cory, due to aluminum's excellent heat radiation, it takes a LOT of
     amperage to weld aluminum or mag, especially big chunks like heads
   and
     blocks. I learned on a 300 Miller and own a Lincoln 300/300 TIG/Arc,
     and I seldom go over 100 amps with stainless or mild steel (straight
     polarity). But with aluminum (reverse polarity), I often use 300 amps
     for good penetration- on heads or trannys for instance. I also use
     straight argon but if you're rich, straight helium will increase a
     machine's capability with a given amperage. My mentor once told me,
     'You can learn to TIG-weld aluminum in 15 minutes. To get good at it
     will take a lifetime'. He was right. I've been at this for 35 yrs and
     I'm still only a metal-melter, not a pro welder.
     TIG welding is like riding a motorcycle: you need both hands and at
     least one foot to simultaneously control everything so coordination
   is
     important. Besides the TIG machine and a torch, you'll also need a
   gas
     flow meter, a foot pedal amp controller, a big gas bottle for argon
   or
     helium and a regulated water supply & drain if you decide to use a
     water-cooled torch. Air cooled TIG-torches throw off a LOT of heat- I
     have both and seldom use the air cooled one- too clumsy and you'll
   find
     yourself using thick welder's gloves with the air cooled version.
   Which
     makes handling the big air-torch even more clumsy.
     You'll also need a package of tungsten electrodes in various sizes &
   a
     grinder to sharpen them and remove 'oopsies', as accidently touching
     the tungsten electrode with an aluminum feeder rod while running a
   bead
     will instantly coat the exposed electrode with aluminum. This stops
   the
     welding process. It also sometimes shocks you if you're welding
     barehanded. Its a lot like gas welding steel except melting aluminum
     doesn't change color- it turns into a vapor. One last caution:
   TIG-ing
     in shirt sleeves for more than about 5 minutes will sunburn any
   exposed
     skin- your neck, under your arms etc  due to the intense UV from the
     torch. Good luck and as in most things, practice a lot!
     J DeRyke
     From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[1][1]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
     of
     Corey Price <[2][2]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
     Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 2:53 PM
     To: Detomaso
     Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC (sort of) TIG Welder Recommendations
     I'm looking for a decent TIG welder, around 200 amps, AC/DC,
   preferably
     with pulse capabilities. Does anyone have a strong recommendation?
   I'll
     just be using this at home for the Pantera and other things and not
   be
     doing this for a living. I've been learning to TIG weld at a local
     applied
     tech college as part of their community outreach. I'm leaning toward
   a
     Lincoln Squarewave 200, but also watching the local online
   classifieds.
     Corey
     P.S. I almost got the instructor to help us learn to weld magnesium
     (thinking of Campi wheels) but the magnesium filler rod is really
     expensive
     and out of his budget...
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