[DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years?

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Thu Oct 19 14:47:13 EDT 2017


There was a recent You-tube movie done by the Engine Masters crew in which they dynoed a carbed engine, then pulled the Holley and added a Holley Terminator EFI with no other changes. Which, after a full day of fiddling, would not run over 4500 rpms.  Finally in desperation, they changed from an Edelbrock dual-plane to an open plenum intake. Bingo- the EFI worked flawlessly. Bottom line- the Holley carb needed rejetting for the open plenum intake while the Holley EFI learned on its own. The final dyno pulls showed as close to no difference as dynoes can give, in fuel use, power & torque, using a compatible intake manifold. Interesting...
J DeRyke

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)' (397C)' <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>; jgkrenton <jgkrenton at comcast.net>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years?


It was an interesting show - thanks for sharing! Terry - you say the EFI was "lots of work" - but how many times did they change jets and who knows what else on the carb? The engine was on a bench connected to a dyno to easily and objectively see what was happening, and these guys knew what they were doing, which made it a little easier. You could make the argument that in the engine bay of the Pantera, it's the CARB that's a lot of work to get it to run optimally. That being said, the KISS and lack of possibility for failure make the carb quite attractive -----Original Message----- From: Himes, Terry (397C) [mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov] Sent: miércoles, 18 de octubre de 2017 16:19 To: jgkrenton at comcast.net; McCall, Charles <charlesmccall at gmail.com> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? Loved it! But EFI seems like a lot of work for little gain. I like KISS. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 🇺🇸 On 10/17/17, 8:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of jgkrenton at comcast.net" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of jgkrenton at comcast.net> wrote: Charlie/Bill: Just stumbled over this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sQJPZYSoUI Holley Carb VS Holley Throttle Body EFI on the dyno... For your continued amusement. Jeff 2467 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com> To: bill at incendium.com, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:46:58 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? Fair question. There’s nothing inherently wrong with a carburetor after all… It’s a very long answer, but the Reader’s Digest version is the following. I bought my Holley from a Pantera vendor many moons ago and it ran horribly on my car. It was supposed to be set up “for a Pantera”, but thinking about that, what is a Pantera engine? A stock, low compression ’74 with all the smog stuff installed? A ’71 high compression engine? A 408 stroker? There’s no way one carb could be set up to handle all those situations. And out of the box, on my particular engine it stumbled all over itself and ran very poorly. So I ordered a complete set of jets and started there. Again summarizing the story, after swapping jets for weeks and weeks on end, things improved but still weren’t “right”. So I sent my carb off to a carb specialist who, armed with all the data regarding my engine, blueprinted, flowed, and rebuilt it. When it came back it worked very, very well. But I think it could work better. Mike Drew has made a pointed comment or two about the fact that it’s hard to follow me due to the birds falling out of the sky behind me due to CO poisoning… A good friend followed me around at a car event last year and discretely positioned himself in front of me so he could remove his oxygen mask.. The temperature of the planet raises a couple of degrees every time I start the engine in my garage… it appears to be running a shade rich. Everyone is different, but I’d rather be driving my car than monkeying with the jets by myself, far from anyone who actually knows what they are doing. In an ideal world, if the EFI works like I’d like it to, it would automatically completely optimize the carburation as opposed to my trial-and-error, or the paper experience of an expert. I’ve been riding my Benelli Sei quite a bit recently, and it is such a fantastic feeling to enjoy a motor that has the carburation dead-nuts-on. The engine just runs soooo well. The Pantera runs well, but I think it could run better. Or at least that doubt would be solved… Additionally, I failed emissions testing last year the first time through, and just squeaked by during the retest after cleaning the K&N filter. Not sure if all this is related, but since this carb has been in use for 18 years now, I’ve been thinking of rebuilding it. But instead of rebuilding it, if the EFI works like I hope it does and the price difference isn’t ALL that great…. Maybe? Hence my question. From: bill at incendium.com [mailto:bill at incendium.com] Sent: sábado, 14 de octubre de 2017 19:21 To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? Why change a very good carburetor set up ? Luv my 750 DP. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Charles McCall < <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> charlesmccall at gmail.com> Date: 2017-10-14 11:06 AM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Ken Green' < <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> kenn_green at yahoo.com>, <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? Thanks, Ken and Jeff.. partially answering my own question I see FITech, MSD, and Holley all offer systems that appear to be the panacea. Roughly $1000 for just the unit, or $1200 with a fuel pump and complete installation kit. The reviews for the three seem to be similar – the majority of people are thrilled, but there’s a small but consistent minority that had serious problems. Cutting and pasting from reviews: “ I received 2 defective units that would never sync up to the ECU and my final 3rd Sniper finally did work.” “Quit running after 15 miles Summit Racing Verified Purchase My car ran beautifully at first then quit. Throttle body is not reading a rpm signal. All connections have been checked. I await return paper work to send the unit back.” Most people are pretty pleased though. Some comments about installation being a little more complicated than promised. Any other firsthand feedback regarding installation on a Pantera? From: Ken Green [ <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] Sent: sábado, 14 de octubre de 2017 18:58 To: Charles McCall < <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> charlesmccall at gmail.com>; <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? I think FAST, Holley, and MSD all have bolt on single 4V throttle body EFIs that practically tune themselves, but you will need am EFI fuel pump and I'm pretty sure a O2 sensor in the exhaust. They all seem to have these for around $1,000. Ken _____ From: Charles McCall < < <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> charlesmccall at gmail.com> To: < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 5:52 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? What's the current state of advancement in the fuel injection world? Has someone perfected a bolt-on system that can substitute a 4bbl carb, can be installed in minutes, only requires a couple of wires and an exhaust bung, and that's it? It would automatically map itself by just driving around, and give absolutely crisp performance. It wouldn't require fiddling, and would work just as well as a carb that's perfectly, absolutely, dead-nuts on. Oh, and it would cost less than $50. Just kidding, but perhaps under $1000 for everything. Anyone have any first-hand experience? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list < <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com < <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Thanks, Ken and Jeff.. partially answering my own question I see FITech, MSD, and Holley all offer systems that appear to be the panacea. Roughly $1000 for just the unit, or $1200 with a fuel pump and complete installation kit. The reviews for the three seem to be similar - the majority of people are thrilled, but there's a small but consistent minority that had serious problems. Cutting and pasting from reviews: " I received 2 defective units that would never sync up to the ECU and my final 3rd Sniper finally did work." "Quit running after 15 miles Summit Racing Summit Racing Verified Purchase My car ran beautifully at first then quit. Throttle body is not reading a rpm signal. All connections have been checked. I await return paper work to send the unit back." Most people are pretty pleased though. Some comments about installation being a little more complicated than promised. Any other firsthand feedback regarding installation on a Pantera? From: Ken Green [ <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] Sent: sabado, 14 de octubre de 2017 18:58 To: Charles McCall < <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> charlesmccall at gmail.com>; <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? I think FAST, Holley, and MSD all have bolt on single 4V throttle body EFIs that practically tune themselves, but you will need am EFI fuel pump and I'm pretty sure a O2 sensor in the exhaust. They all seem to have these for around $1,000. 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   There was a recent You-tube movie done by the Engine Masters crew in
   which they dynoed a carbed engine, then pulled the Holley and added a
   Holley Terminator EFI with no other changes. Which, after a full day of
   fiddling, would not run over 4500 rpms.  Finally in desperation, they
   changed from an Edelbrock dual-plane to an open plenum intake. Bingo-
   the EFI worked flawlessly. Bottom line- the Holley carb needed
   rejetting for the open plenum intake while the Holley EFI learned on
   its own. The final dyno pulls showed as close to no difference as
   dynoes can give, in fuel use, power & torque, using a compatible intake
   manifold. Interesting...
   J DeRyke
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)' (397C)' <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>; jgkrenton
   <jgkrenton at comcast.net>
   Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'Ken Green'
   <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 7:38 am
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few
   years?
   It was an interesting show - thanks for sharing! Terry - you say the
   EFI was "lots of work" - but how many times did they change jets and
   who knows what else on the carb? The engine was on a bench connected to
   a dyno to easily and objectively see what was happening, and these guys
   knew what they were doing, which made it a little easier. You could
   make the argument that in the engine bay of the Pantera, it's the CARB
   that's a lot of work to get it to run optimally. That being said, the
   KISS and lack of possibility for failure make the carb quite attractive
   -----Original Message----- From: Himes, Terry (397C)
   [[1]mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov] Sent: miA(c)rcoles, 18 de octubre
   de 2017 16:19 To: [2]jgkrenton at comcast.net; McCall, Charles
   <[3]charlesmccall at gmail.com> Cc: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
   Ken Green <[5]kenn_green at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
   has EFI advanced over the past few years? Loved it! But EFI seems like
   a lot of work for little gain. I like KISS. "A Purple Heart proves you
   were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky
   enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn
   Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:
   (818) 653-8213 [6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov d--od-, On 10/17/17, 8:19 PM,
   "DeTomaso on behalf of [7]jgkrenton at comcast.net"
   <detomaso-[8]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [9]jgkrenton at comcast.net> wrote: Charlie/Bill: Just stumbled over this:
   [10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sQJPZYSoUI Holley Carb VS Holley
   Throttle Body EFI on the dyno... For your continued amusement. Jeff
   2467 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles McCall"
   <[11]charlesmccall at gmail.com> To: [12]bill at incendium.com, "Ken Green"
   <[13]kenn_green at yahoo.com>, [14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent:
   Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:46:58 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
   has EFI advanced over the past few years? Fair question. Thereas
   nothing inherently wrong with a carburetor after alla| Itas a very long
   answer, but the Readeras Digest version is the following. I bought my
   Holley from a Pantera vendor many moons ago and it ran horribly on my
   car. It was supposed to be set up afor a Panteraa, but thinking about
   that, what is a Pantera engine? A stock, low compression a74 with all
   the smog stuff installed? A a71 high compression engine? A 408 stroker?
   Thereas no way one carb could be set up to handle all those situations.
   And out of the box, on my particular engine it stumbled all over itself
   and ran very poorly. So I ordered a complete set of jets and started
   there. Again summarizing the story, after swapping jets for weeks and
   weeks on end, things improved but still werenat arighta. So I sent my
   carb off to a carb specialist who, armed with all the data regarding my
   engine, blueprinted, flowed, and rebuilt it. When it came back it
   worked very, very well. But I think it could work better. Mike Drew has
   made a pointed comment or two about the fact that itas hard to follow
   me due to the birds falling out of the sky behind me due to CO
   poisoninga| A good friend followed me around at a car event last year
   and discretely positioned himself in front of me so he could remove his
   oxygen mask.. The temperature of the planet raises a couple of degrees
   every time I start the engine in my garagea| it appears to be running a
   shade rich. Everyone is different, but Iad rather be driving my car
   than monkeying with the jets by myself, far from anyone who actually
   knows what they are doing. In an ideal world, if the EFI works like Iad
   like it to, it would automatically completely optimize the carburation
   as opposed to my trial-and-error, or the paper experience of an expert.
   Iave been riding my Benelli Sei quite a bit recently, and it is such a
   fantastic feeling to enjoy a motor that has the carburation
   dead-nuts-on. The engine just runs soooo well. The Pantera runs well,
   but I think it could run better. Or at least that doubt would be
   solveda| Additionally, I failed emissions testing last year the first
   time through, and just squeaked by during the retest after cleaning the
   K&N filter. Not sure if all this is related, but since this carb has
   been in use for 18 years now, Iave been thinking of rebuilding it. But
   instead of rebuilding it, if the EFI works like I hope it does and the
   price difference isnat ALL that greata|. Maybe? Hence my question.
   From: [15]bill at incendium.com [[16]mailto:bill at incendium.com] Sent:
   sA!bado, 14 de octubre de 2017 19:21 To: Charles McCall
   <[17]charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Ken Green' <[18]kenn_green at yahoo.com>;
   [19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
   has EFI advanced over the past few years? Why change a very good
   carburetor set up ? Luv my 750 DP. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary --------
   Original message -------- From: Charles McCall <
   <[20]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> [21]charlesmccall at gmail.com> Date:
   2017-10-14 11:06 AM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Ken Green' <
   <[22]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> [23]kenn_green at yahoo.com>,
   <[24]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   [25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
   has EFI advanced over the past few years? Thanks, Ken and Jeff..
   partially answering my own question I see FITech, MSD, and Holley all
   offer systems that appear to be the panacea. Roughly $1000 for just the
   unit, or $1200 with a fuel pump and complete installation kit. The
   reviews for the three seem to be similar a the majority of people are
   thrilled, but thereas a small but consistent minority that had serious
   problems. Cutting and pasting from reviews: a I received 2 defective
   units that would never sync up to the ECU and my final 3rd Sniper
   finally did work.a aQuit running after 15 miles Summit Racing Verified
   Purchase My car ran beautifully at first then quit. Throttle body is
   not reading a rpm signal. All connections have been checked. I await
   return paper work to send the unit back.a Most people are pretty
   pleased though. Some comments about installation being a little more
   complicated than promised. Any other firsthand feedback regarding
   installation on a Pantera? From: Ken Green [
   <[26]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> [27]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
   Sent: sA!bado, 14 de octubre de 2017 18:58 To: Charles McCall <
   <[28]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> [29]charlesmccall at gmail.com>;
   <[30]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   [31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
   has EFI advanced over the past few years? I think FAST, Holley, and MSD
   all have bolt on single 4V throttle body EFIs that practically tune
   themselves, but you will need am EFI fuel pump and I'm pretty sure a O2
   sensor in the exhaust. They all seem to have these for around $1,000.
   Ken _____ From: Charles McCall < < <[32]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   [33]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   <[34]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> [35]charlesmccall at gmail.com> To: <
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   <[38]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   [39]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017
   5:52 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few
   years? What's the current state of advancement in the fuel injection
   world? Has someone perfected a bolt-on system that can substitute a
   4bbl carb, can be installed in minutes, only requires a couple of wires
   and an exhaust bung, and that's it? It would automatically map itself
   by just driving around, and give absolutely crisp performance. It
   wouldn't require fiddling, and would work just as well as a carb that's
   perfectly, absolutely, dead-nuts on. Oh, and it would cost less than
   $50. Just kidding, but perhaps under $1000 for everything. Anyone have
   any first-hand experience?
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   archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Thanks, Ken and
   Jeff.. partially answering my own question I see FITech, MSD, and
   Holley all offer systems that appear to be the panacea. Roughly $1000
   for just the unit, or $1200 with a fuel pump and complete installation
   kit. The reviews for the three seem to be similar - the majority of
   people are thrilled, but there's a small but consistent minority that
   had serious problems. Cutting and pasting from reviews: " I received 2
   defective units that would never sync up to the ECU and my final 3rd
   Sniper finally did work." "Quit running after 15 miles Summit Racing
   Summit Racing Verified Purchase My car ran beautifully at first then
   quit. Throttle body is not reading a rpm signal. All connections have
   been checked. I await return paper work to send the unit back." Most
   people are pretty pleased though. Some comments about installation
   being a little more complicated than promised. Any other firsthand
   feedback regarding installation on a Pantera? From: Ken Green [
   <[48]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> [49]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
   Sent: sabado, 14 de octubre de 2017 18:58 To: Charles McCall <
   <[50]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> [51]charlesmccall at gmail.com>;
   <[52]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   [53]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
   has EFI advanced over the past few years? I think FAST, Holley, and MSD
   all have bolt on single 4V throttle body EFIs that practically tune
   themselves, but you will need am EFI fuel pump and I'm pretty sure a O2
   sensor in the exhaust. They all seem to have these for around $1,000.
   Ken
   _______________________________________________________________________
   From: Charles McCall <[1] <[54]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
   [55]charlesmccall at gmail.com> To: [2]
   <[56]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   [57]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017
   5:52 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few
   years? What's the current state of advancement in the fuel injection
   world? Has someone perfected a bolt-on system that can substitute a
   4bbl carb, can be installed in minutes, only requires a couple of wires
   and an exhaust bung, and that's it? It would automatically map itself
   by just driving around, and give absolutely crisp performance. It
   wouldn't require fiddling, and would work just as well as a carb that's
   perfectly, absolutely, dead-nuts on. Oh, and it would cost less than
   $50. Just kidding, but perhaps under $1000 for everything. Anyone have
   any first-hand experience?
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   1. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov?
   2. mailto:jgkrenton at comcast.net
   3. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
   4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   5. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
   6. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   7. mailto:jgkrenton at comcast.net
   8. mailto:bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   9. mailto:jgkrenton at comcast.net
  10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sQJPZYSoUI
  11. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
  12. mailto:bill at incendium.com
  13. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
  14. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  15. mailto:bill at incendium.com
  16. mailto:bill at incendium.com?
  17. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
  18. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
  19. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  20. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
  21. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
  22. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com?
  23. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
  24. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  25. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  26. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com?
  27. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com?
  28. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
  29. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
  30. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  31. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  32. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
  33. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
  34. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
  35. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
  36. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  37. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  38. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  39. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  40. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  41. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  42. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  43. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  44. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  45. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  46. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  47. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  48. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com?
  49. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com?
  50. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
  51. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
  52. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  53. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  54. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
  55. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com
  56. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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  60. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  61. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  62. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
  63. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  64. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  65. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  66. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  67. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
  68. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  69. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  70. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  71. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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  73. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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