[DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years?
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There was a recent You-tube movie done by the Engine Masters crew in which they dynoed a carbed engine, then pulled the Holley and added a Holley Terminator EFI with no other changes. Which, after a full day of fiddling, would not run over 4500 rpms. Finally in desperation, they changed from an Edelbrock dual-plane to an open plenum intake. Bingo- the EFI worked flawlessly. Bottom line- the Holley carb needed rejetting for the open plenum intake while the Holley EFI learned on its own. The final dyno pulls showed as close to no difference as dynoes can give, in fuel use, power & torque, using a compatible intake manifold. Interesting...
J DeRyke
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It was an interesting show - thanks for sharing! Terry - you say the EFI was "lots of work" - but how many times did they change jets and who knows what else on the carb? The engine was on a bench connected to a dyno to easily and objectively see what was happening, and these guys knew what they were doing, which made it a little easier. You could make the argument that in the engine bay of the Pantera, it's the CARB that's a lot of work to get it to run optimally. That being said, the KISS and lack of possibility for failure make the carb quite attractive -----Original Message----- From: Himes, Terry (397C) [mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov] Sent: miércoles, 18 de octubre de 2017 16:19 To: jgkrenton at comcast.net; McCall, Charles <charlesmccall at gmail.com> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? Loved it! But EFI seems like a lot of work for little gain. I like KISS. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 🇺🇸 On 10/17/17, 8:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of jgkrenton at comcast.net" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of jgkrenton at comcast.net> wrote: Charlie/Bill: Just stumbled over this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sQJPZYSoUI Holley Carb VS Holley Throttle Body EFI on the dyno... For your continued amusement. Jeff 2467 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com> To: bill at incendium.com, "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:46:58 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? Fair question. There’s nothing inherently wrong with a carburetor after all… It’s a very long answer, but the Reader’s Digest version is the following. I bought my Holley from a Pantera vendor many moons ago and it ran horribly on my car. It was supposed to be set up “for a Pantera”, but thinking about that, what is a Pantera engine? A stock, low compression ’74 with all the smog stuff installed? A ’71 high compression engine? A 408 stroker? There’s no way one carb could be set up to handle all those situations. And out of the box, on my particular engine it stumbled all over itself and ran very poorly. So I ordered a complete set of jets and started there. Again summarizing the story, after swapping jets for weeks and weeks on end, things improved but still weren’t “right”. So I sent my carb off to a carb specialist who, armed with all the data regarding my engine, blueprinted, flowed, and rebuilt it. When it came back it worked very, very well. But I think it could work better. Mike Drew has made a pointed comment or two about the fact that it’s hard to follow me due to the birds falling out of the sky behind me due to CO poisoning… A good friend followed me around at a car event last year and discretely positioned himself in front of me so he could remove his oxygen mask.. The temperature of the planet raises a couple of degrees every time I start the engine in my garage… it appears to be running a shade rich. Everyone is different, but I’d rather be driving my car than monkeying with the jets by myself, far from anyone who actually knows what they are doing. In an ideal world, if the EFI works like I’d like it to, it would automatically completely optimize the carburation as opposed to my trial-and-error, or the paper experience of an expert. I’ve been riding my Benelli Sei quite a bit recently, and it is such a fantastic feeling to enjoy a motor that has the carburation dead-nuts-on. The engine just runs soooo well. The Pantera runs well, but I think it could run better. Or at least that doubt would be solved… Additionally, I failed emissions testing last year the first time through, and just squeaked by during the retest after cleaning the K&N filter. Not sure if all this is related, but since this carb has been in use for 18 years now, I’ve been thinking of rebuilding it. But instead of rebuilding it, if the EFI works like I hope it does and the price difference isn’t ALL that great…. Maybe? Hence my question. From: bill at incendium.com [mailto:bill at incendium.com] Sent: sábado, 14 de octubre de 2017 19:21 To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Ken Green' <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? Why change a very good carburetor set up ? Luv my 750 DP. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: Charles McCall < <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> charlesmccall at gmail.com> Date: 2017-10-14 11:06 AM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Ken Green' < <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> kenn_green at yahoo.com>, <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? Thanks, Ken and Jeff.. partially answering my own question I see FITech, MSD, and Holley all offer systems that appear to be the panacea. Roughly $1000 for just the unit, or $1200 with a fuel pump and complete installation kit. The reviews for the three seem to be similar – the majority of people are thrilled, but there’s a small but consistent minority that had serious problems. Cutting and pasting from reviews: “ I received 2 defective units that would never sync up to the ECU and my final 3rd Sniper finally did work.” “Quit running after 15 miles Summit Racing Verified Purchase My car ran beautifully at first then quit. Throttle body is not reading a rpm signal. All connections have been checked. I await return paper work to send the unit back.” Most people are pretty pleased though. Some comments about installation being a little more complicated than promised. Any other firsthand feedback regarding installation on a Pantera? From: Ken Green [ <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] Sent: sábado, 14 de octubre de 2017 18:58 To: Charles McCall < <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> charlesmccall at gmail.com>; <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? I think FAST, Holley, and MSD all have bolt on single 4V throttle body EFIs that practically tune themselves, but you will need am EFI fuel pump and I'm pretty sure a O2 sensor in the exhaust. They all seem to have these for around $1,000. Ken _____ From: Charles McCall < < <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> charlesmccall at gmail.com> To: < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 5:52 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? What's the current state of advancement in the fuel injection world? Has someone perfected a bolt-on system that can substitute a 4bbl carb, can be installed in minutes, only requires a couple of wires and an exhaust bung, and that's it? It would automatically map itself by just driving around, and give absolutely crisp performance. It wouldn't require fiddling, and would work just as well as a carb that's perfectly, absolutely, dead-nuts on. Oh, and it would cost less than $50. Just kidding, but perhaps under $1000 for everything. Anyone have any first-hand experience? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list < <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com < <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Thanks, Ken and Jeff.. partially answering my own question I see FITech, MSD, and Holley all offer systems that appear to be the panacea. Roughly $1000 for just the unit, or $1200 with a fuel pump and complete installation kit. The reviews for the three seem to be similar - the majority of people are thrilled, but there's a small but consistent minority that had serious problems. Cutting and pasting from reviews: " I received 2 defective units that would never sync up to the ECU and my final 3rd Sniper finally did work." "Quit running after 15 miles Summit Racing Summit Racing Verified Purchase My car ran beautifully at first then quit. Throttle body is not reading a rpm signal. All connections have been checked. I await return paper work to send the unit back." Most people are pretty pleased though. Some comments about installation being a little more complicated than promised. Any other firsthand feedback regarding installation on a Pantera? From: Ken Green [ <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com] Sent: sabado, 14 de octubre de 2017 18:58 To: Charles McCall < <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> charlesmccall at gmail.com>; <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few years? I think FAST, Holley, and MSD all have bolt on single 4V throttle body EFIs that practically tune themselves, but you will need am EFI fuel pump and I'm pretty sure a O2 sensor in the exhaust. They all seem to have these for around $1,000. 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There was a recent You-tube movie done by the Engine Masters crew in
which they dynoed a carbed engine, then pulled the Holley and added a
Holley Terminator EFI with no other changes. Which, after a full day of
fiddling, would not run over 4500 rpms. Finally in desperation, they
changed from an Edelbrock dual-plane to an open plenum intake. Bingo-
the EFI worked flawlessly. Bottom line- the Holley carb needed
rejetting for the open plenum intake while the Holley EFI learned on
its own. The final dyno pulls showed as close to no difference as
dynoes can give, in fuel use, power & torque, using a compatible intake
manifold. Interesting...
J DeRyke
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)' (397C)' <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>; jgkrenton
<jgkrenton at comcast.net>
Cc: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; 'Ken Green'
<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 7:38 am
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few
years?
It was an interesting show - thanks for sharing! Terry - you say the
EFI was "lots of work" - but how many times did they change jets and
who knows what else on the carb? The engine was on a bench connected to
a dyno to easily and objectively see what was happening, and these guys
knew what they were doing, which made it a little easier. You could
make the argument that in the engine bay of the Pantera, it's the CARB
that's a lot of work to get it to run optimally. That being said, the
KISS and lack of possibility for failure make the carb quite attractive
-----Original Message----- From: Himes, Terry (397C)
[[1]mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov] Sent: miA(c)rcoles, 18 de octubre
de 2017 16:19 To: [2]jgkrenton at comcast.net; McCall, Charles
<[3]charlesmccall at gmail.com> Cc: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com;
Ken Green <[5]kenn_green at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
has EFI advanced over the past few years? Loved it! But EFI seems like
a lot of work for little gain. I like KISS. "A Purple Heart proves you
were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky
enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn
Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:
(818) 653-8213 [6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov d--od-, On 10/17/17, 8:19 PM,
"DeTomaso on behalf of [7]jgkrenton at comcast.net"
<detomaso-[8]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[9]jgkrenton at comcast.net> wrote: Charlie/Bill: Just stumbled over this:
[10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sQJPZYSoUI Holley Carb VS Holley
Throttle Body EFI on the dyno... For your continued amusement. Jeff
2467 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles McCall"
<[11]charlesmccall at gmail.com> To: [12]bill at incendium.com, "Ken Green"
<[13]kenn_green at yahoo.com>, [14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent:
Saturday, October 14, 2017 10:46:58 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
has EFI advanced over the past few years? Fair question. Thereas
nothing inherently wrong with a carburetor after alla| Itas a very long
answer, but the Readeras Digest version is the following. I bought my
Holley from a Pantera vendor many moons ago and it ran horribly on my
car. It was supposed to be set up afor a Panteraa, but thinking about
that, what is a Pantera engine? A stock, low compression a74 with all
the smog stuff installed? A a71 high compression engine? A 408 stroker?
Thereas no way one carb could be set up to handle all those situations.
And out of the box, on my particular engine it stumbled all over itself
and ran very poorly. So I ordered a complete set of jets and started
there. Again summarizing the story, after swapping jets for weeks and
weeks on end, things improved but still werenat arighta. So I sent my
carb off to a carb specialist who, armed with all the data regarding my
engine, blueprinted, flowed, and rebuilt it. When it came back it
worked very, very well. But I think it could work better. Mike Drew has
made a pointed comment or two about the fact that itas hard to follow
me due to the birds falling out of the sky behind me due to CO
poisoninga| A good friend followed me around at a car event last year
and discretely positioned himself in front of me so he could remove his
oxygen mask.. The temperature of the planet raises a couple of degrees
every time I start the engine in my garagea| it appears to be running a
shade rich. Everyone is different, but Iad rather be driving my car
than monkeying with the jets by myself, far from anyone who actually
knows what they are doing. In an ideal world, if the EFI works like Iad
like it to, it would automatically completely optimize the carburation
as opposed to my trial-and-error, or the paper experience of an expert.
Iave been riding my Benelli Sei quite a bit recently, and it is such a
fantastic feeling to enjoy a motor that has the carburation
dead-nuts-on. The engine just runs soooo well. The Pantera runs well,
but I think it could run better. Or at least that doubt would be
solveda| Additionally, I failed emissions testing last year the first
time through, and just squeaked by during the retest after cleaning the
K&N filter. Not sure if all this is related, but since this carb has
been in use for 18 years now, Iave been thinking of rebuilding it. But
instead of rebuilding it, if the EFI works like I hope it does and the
price difference isnat ALL that greata|. Maybe? Hence my question.
From: [15]bill at incendium.com [[16]mailto:bill at incendium.com] Sent:
sA!bado, 14 de octubre de 2017 19:21 To: Charles McCall
<[17]charlesmccall at gmail.com>; 'Ken Green' <[18]kenn_green at yahoo.com>;
[19]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
has EFI advanced over the past few years? Why change a very good
carburetor set up ? Luv my 750 DP. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary --------
Original message -------- From: Charles McCall <
<[20]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> [21]charlesmccall at gmail.com> Date:
2017-10-14 11:06 AM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Ken Green' <
<[22]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> [23]kenn_green at yahoo.com>,
<[24]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
[25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
has EFI advanced over the past few years? Thanks, Ken and Jeff..
partially answering my own question I see FITech, MSD, and Holley all
offer systems that appear to be the panacea. Roughly $1000 for just the
unit, or $1200 with a fuel pump and complete installation kit. The
reviews for the three seem to be similar a the majority of people are
thrilled, but thereas a small but consistent minority that had serious
problems. Cutting and pasting from reviews: a I received 2 defective
units that would never sync up to the ECU and my final 3rd Sniper
finally did work.a aQuit running after 15 miles Summit Racing Verified
Purchase My car ran beautifully at first then quit. Throttle body is
not reading a rpm signal. All connections have been checked. I await
return paper work to send the unit back.a Most people are pretty
pleased though. Some comments about installation being a little more
complicated than promised. Any other firsthand feedback regarding
installation on a Pantera? From: Ken Green [
<[26]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> [27]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: sA!bado, 14 de octubre de 2017 18:58 To: Charles McCall <
<[28]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> [29]charlesmccall at gmail.com>;
<[30]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
[31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
has EFI advanced over the past few years? I think FAST, Holley, and MSD
all have bolt on single 4V throttle body EFIs that practically tune
themselves, but you will need am EFI fuel pump and I'm pretty sure a O2
sensor in the exhaust. They all seem to have these for around $1,000.
Ken _____ From: Charles McCall < < <[32]mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
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5:52 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few
years? What's the current state of advancement in the fuel injection
world? Has someone perfected a bolt-on system that can substitute a
4bbl carb, can be installed in minutes, only requires a couple of wires
and an exhaust bung, and that's it? It would automatically map itself
by just driving around, and give absolutely crisp performance. It
wouldn't require fiddling, and would work just as well as a carb that's
perfectly, absolutely, dead-nuts on. Oh, and it would cost less than
$50. Just kidding, but perhaps under $1000 for everything. Anyone have
any first-hand experience?
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Jeff.. partially answering my own question I see FITech, MSD, and
Holley all offer systems that appear to be the panacea. Roughly $1000
for just the unit, or $1200 with a fuel pump and complete installation
kit. The reviews for the three seem to be similar - the majority of
people are thrilled, but there's a small but consistent minority that
had serious problems. Cutting and pasting from reviews: " I received 2
defective units that would never sync up to the ECU and my final 3rd
Sniper finally did work." "Quit running after 15 miles Summit Racing
Summit Racing Verified Purchase My car ran beautifully at first then
quit. Throttle body is not reading a rpm signal. All connections have
been checked. I await return paper work to send the unit back." Most
people are pretty pleased though. Some comments about installation
being a little more complicated than promised. Any other firsthand
feedback regarding installation on a Pantera? From: Ken Green [
<[48]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com> [49]mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com]
Sent: sabado, 14 de octubre de 2017 18:58 To: Charles McCall <
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[53]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] How much
has EFI advanced over the past few years? I think FAST, Holley, and MSD
all have bolt on single 4V throttle body EFIs that practically tune
themselves, but you will need am EFI fuel pump and I'm pretty sure a O2
sensor in the exhaust. They all seem to have these for around $1,000.
Ken
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5:52 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] How much has EFI advanced over the past few
years? What's the current state of advancement in the fuel injection
world? Has someone perfected a bolt-on system that can substitute a
4bbl carb, can be installed in minutes, only requires a couple of wires
and an exhaust bung, and that's it? It would automatically map itself
by just driving around, and give absolutely crisp performance. It
wouldn't require fiddling, and would work just as well as a carb that's
perfectly, absolutely, dead-nuts on. Oh, and it would cost less than
$50. Just kidding, but perhaps under $1000 for everything. Anyone have
any first-hand experience?
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14. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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18. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
19. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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22. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com?
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24. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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26. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com?
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28. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
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30. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com?
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32. mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com?
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