[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13

shawkins777 at comcast.net shawkins777 at comcast.net
Thu Oct 12 22:24:28 EDT 2017


Rebuild it, it wouldn't be first Pantera to come back from ashes. 

Steve 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:33:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13 

I also pray that everyone stays safe and am incredibly sorry for Mike R's losses and anyone else encountering danger. 



-----Original Message----- 
From: detomaso-request <detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com> 
To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Sent: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 9:00 am 
Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13 

Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to 
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 
detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com 

You can reach the person managing the list at 
detomaso-owner at server.detomasolist.com 

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific 
than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." 


Daily Detomaso List Digest 

Today's Topics: 

1. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton) 
2. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Rob Dumoulin) 
3. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors) 
4. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton) 
5. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors) 
6. Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (MikeLDrew at aol.com) 
7. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Larry Stock) 
8. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift) 
9. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Larry-Ohio Time Corp) 
10. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew) 
11. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Scott Mead Photography) 
12. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Ken Green) 
13. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Himes, Terry (397C)) 
14. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift) 
15. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Dennis Valdez) 
16. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew) 
17. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift) 
18. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew) 
19. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew) 
20. Flash to Pass (Jim Kosloskey) 
21. Re: Flash to Pass (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.) 
22. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! (Mike Drew) 
23. Re: Flash to Pass (Jim Kosloskey) 
24. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! (MARK CHARLTON) 


---------------------------------------------------------------------- 

Message: 1 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:05:29 -0700 
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> 
To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ? 
Message-ID: <1a6e00d1-8e54-45da-ab85-f3fb494334bd at asajay.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.?? Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068R? These are black and more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.? They hold up better than cork. 

To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to the valve cover.? On the other side of the gasket, apply your average Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to spec.? It won't leak, honest.? Then the next time you need to take the valve cover off, it will come off easily.? Clean well, re-apply Vaseline and bolt back down. 

Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot running. 

Asa 

?Asa? Jay? Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired 
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks? 

On Oct 11, 2017, 07:43, at 07:43, B Hower via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
>What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? Please 
>give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.?Bud #3400 ( Drive it 
>like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) 
> 
>| | Virus-free. www.avast.com | 
> 
> 
> 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> 
>_______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
>Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>DeTomaso mailing list 
>DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> 
>To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
>use the links above. 
> 
>Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
>message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
>list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
>or approve the archiving of list messages. 
-------------- next part -------------- 
If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute 
used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.A A 
[1]Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068RA These are black and 
more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.A They hold up 
better than cork. 

To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to 
the valve cover.A On the other side of the gasket, apply your average 
Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to 
spec.A It won't leak, honest.A Then the next time you need to take 
the valve cover off, it will come off easily.A Clean well, re-apply 
Vaseline and bolt back down. 

Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot 
running. 

Asa 

AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired 

Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks 

On Oct 11, 2017, at 07:43, B Hower via DeTomaso 
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 

What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? Please give part 
# if known. Thanks for any help here. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tom 
orrow -- for there may not be ! ) 
| | Virus-free. [3]www.avast.com | 
___________________________________________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li 
nks above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p 
osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant 
the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis 
t messages. 

References 

1. https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068R 
2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
3. http://www.avast.com/ 
4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

------------------------------ 

Message: 2 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:28 -0400 
From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> 
To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ? 
Message-ID: 
<CAEr4y_vAteUSNXZH_VmSCk5tAkazRbxhSAwgE5k8j9nw5a_dyg at mail.gmail.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets. This time 
I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle and they 
have not leaked since. 

Rob 

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso < 
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 

> What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? Please 
> give part # if known. Thanks for any help here. 
> 
> Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be 
> ! ) 
> 
> Virus-free. [1]www.avast.com 
> 
> References 
> 
> Visible links 
> 1. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
> 
> Hidden links: 
> 3. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
> 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
> 40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use 
> the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 
> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve 
> the archiving of list messages. 
> 
-------------- next part -------------- 
I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A This 
time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle 
and they have not leaked since. 
RobA 
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso 
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 

A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? 
Please 
A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here. 
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may 
not be 
A A ! ) 
A A Virus-free. [1][2]www.avast.com 
References 
A A Visible links 
A A 1. [3]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
A A Hidden links: 
A A 3. [4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
A A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 

References 

1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
2. http://www.avast.com/ 
3. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
4. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

------------------------------ 

Message: 3 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:28:40 -0500 
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org> 
To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> 
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ? 
Message-ID: <222B17BF-35AC-4EB9-A367-D4FFAEB66704 at msmcontractors.org> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets. 
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine. 
https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/> 
David Finley 
#3659 



> I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A This 
> time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle 
> and they have not leaked since. 
> RobA 
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso 
> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
> A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? 
> Please 
> A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here. 
> A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may 
> not be 
> A A ! ) 
> A A Virus-free. [1][2]www.avast.com 
> References 
> A A Visible links 
> A A 1. [3]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
> A A Hidden links: 
> A A 3. [4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
> A A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
> 40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
> etc.) use the links above. 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> References 
> 
> 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> 2. http://www.avast.com/ 
> 3. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
> 4. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 

-------------- next part -------------- 
I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone 
gaskets. 

Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine. 

[1]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ 
David Finley 
#3659 

I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A 
This 
time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle 
and they have not leaked since. 
RobA 
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso 
<[1][2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the 
Cleveland? 
Please 
A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here. 
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there 
may 
not be 
A A ! ) 
A A Virus-free. [1][2][3]www.avast.com 
References 
A A Visible links 
A A 1. [3][4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=lin 
k 
A A Hidden links: 
A A 3. [4][5]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=ico 
n 
A A 4. [6]file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[5][7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[6][8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
References 
1. [9]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
2. [10]http://www.avast.com/ 
3. 
[11]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&ut 
m_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
4. 
[12]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&ut 
m_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
5. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
6. [14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[15]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 

References 

1. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ 
2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
3. http://www.avast.com/ 
4. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
5. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
6. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
10. http://www.avast.com/ 
11. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
12. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 

------------------------------ 

Message: 4 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:54:26 -0700 
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> 
To: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org> 
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ? 
Message-ID: <84cab6c0-050f-4346-a77f-f91ca0371528 at asajay.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.? I may try those on my next build.? Thank you for the link. 

Asa 

?Asa? Jay? Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired 
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks? 

On Oct 11, 2017, 09:28, at 09:28, MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org> wrote: 
>I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone 
>gaskets. 
>Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine. 
>https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ 
><https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/> 
>David Finley 
>#3659 
> 
> 
> 
>> I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A 
>This 
>> time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the 
>middle 
>> and they have not leaked since. 
>> RobA 
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso 
>> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the 
>Cleveland? 
>> Please 
>> A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here. 
>> A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there 
>may 
>> not be 
>> A A ! ) 
>> A A Virus-free. [1][2]www.avast.com 
>> References 
>> A A Visible links 
>> A A 1. [3]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
>> 
>source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
>> A A Hidden links: 
>> A A 3. [4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
>> 
>source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
>> A A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
>> 40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
>> etc.) use the links above. 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
>forward 
>> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members 
>of 
>> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain 
>an 
>> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
>> 
>> References 
>> 
>> 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> 2. http://www.avast.com/ 
>> 3. 
>https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
>> 4. 
>https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
>> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
>use the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
>any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
>list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
>or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> 
>------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
> 
>_______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
>Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>DeTomaso mailing list 
>DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> 
>To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
>use the links above. 
> 
>Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
>message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
>list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
>or approve the archiving of list messages. 
-------------- next part -------------- 
I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.A I may try those on 
my next build.A Thank you for the link. 

Asa 

AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired 

Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks 

On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors 
<[1]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote: 

I use aReal Gasketsa Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets. 
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine. 
[2]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ <[3]https://realgas 
kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/> 
David Finley 
#3659 

I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A 
This 
time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle 
and they have not leaked since. 
RobA 
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso 
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? 
Please 
A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here. 
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may 
not be 
A A ! ) 
A A Virus-free. [1][2][4]www.avast.com 
References 
A A Visible links 
A A 1. [3][5]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
A A Hidden links: 
A A 3. [4][6]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
A A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 
_______________________________________________________________ 

Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[6][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
References 
1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
2. [8]http://www.avast.com/ 
3. 
[9]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link& 
utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
4. 
[10]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link 
&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
6. [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
_______________________________________________________________ 

Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
___________________________________________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li 
nks above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p 
osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant 
the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis 
t messages. 

References 

1. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org 
2. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 
3. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 
4. http://www.avast.com/ 
5. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
6. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
8. http://www.avast.com/ 
9. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
10. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

------------------------------ 

Message: 5 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:57:55 -0500 
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org> 
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> 
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ? 
Message-ID: <76BB61EC-9FED-4D62-8C18-70325E206553 at msmcontractors.org> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and discuss any questions on the phone. 
They enjoy talking with their customers. 
Don?t think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro! 
David Finley 
#3659 


> On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote: 
> 
> I like the looks of those, and no sealer required. I may try those on my next build. Thank you for the link. 
> 
> Asa 
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired 
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks 
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org <mailto:david at msmcontractors.org>> wrote: 
> I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets. 
> Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine. 
> https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/ <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/> 
> David Finley 
> #3659 
> 
> 
> 
> I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A This 
> time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle 
> and they have not leaked since. 
> RobA 
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso 
> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
> A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? 
> Please 
> A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here. 
> A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may 
> not be 
> A A ! ) 
> A A Virus-free. [1][2]www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/> 
> References 
> A A Visible links 
> A A 1. [3]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_> 
> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
> A A Hidden links: 
> A A 3. [4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_> 
> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
> A A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
> 40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
> etc.) use the links above. 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
> the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
> archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> References 
> 
> 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> 2. http://www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/>/ 
> 3. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> 
> 4. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> 
> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
> 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 

-------------- next part -------------- 
Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and 
discuss any questions on the phone. 

They enjoy talking with their customers. 

Don't think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro! 
David Finley 
#3659 

On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <[1]asajay at asajay.com> 
wrote: 

I like the looks of those, and no sealer required. I may try those on 
my next build. Thank you for the link. 
Asa 
Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired 
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks 
On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors 
<[2]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote: 

I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets. 
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine. 
[3]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ <[4]https://realgas 
kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/> 
David Finley 
#3659 

I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A 
This 
time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle 
and they have not leaked since. 
RobA 
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso 
<[1][5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? 
Please 
A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here. 
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may 
not be 
A A ! ) 
A A Virus-free. [1][2][6]www.avast.com 
References 
A A Visible links 
A A 1. [3][7]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
A A Hidden links: 
A A 3. [4][8]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
A A 4. [9]file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 
_______________________________________________________________ 

Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[5][10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[6][11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
References 
1. [12]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
2. [13]http://www.avast.com/ 
3. 
[14]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link 
&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
4. 
[15]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link 
&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
5. [16]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
6. [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
_______________________________________________________________ 

Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[18]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
___________________________________________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[20]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li 
nks above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p 
osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant 
the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis 
t messages. 

References 

1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com 
2. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org 
3. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 
4. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 
5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
6. http://www.avast.com/ 
7. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
8. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ 
9. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7- 
10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
13. http://www.avast.com/ 
14. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 
15. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
18. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

------------------------------ 

Message: 6 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:08:26 -0400 
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <113235.2cfa0417.470faa09 at aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

All, 

I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about 
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd give 
an update to everyone. 

The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east from 
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire 
is burning away from us. 

There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected 
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in 
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side 
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first 
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had literally only 
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally open 
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced 
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful 
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<( 

Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire 
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom Leonard, 
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly 
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the 
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his Pantera. He 
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate immediately. 
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to 
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They then went 
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented 
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it 
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side 
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and 
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep 
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards 
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires are 
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be 
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain. 

Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of 
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away 
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his 
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his property 
with his garden hose. 

Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to 
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post 
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 

Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have a 
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be 
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they have 
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their only 
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so). 

Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who 
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<( 

Mike 


-------------- next part -------------- 
All, 
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
south so the fire is burning away from us. 
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house 
was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
(on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he 
missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was 
out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped 
in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all 
their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
reduced to ashes. :<( 
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, 
Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you 
met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and 
ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and 
their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well 
away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We 
have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the 
'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is 
approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is 
on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill 
with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that 
his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
from certain. 
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he 
had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't 
know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
(although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
they would do so). 
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
Mike 
-------------- next part -------------- 
A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 
Name: Nor-Cal Fire Map.JPG 
Type: image/jpeg 
Size: 588793 bytes 
Desc: not available 
URL: <http://server.detomasolist.com/pipermail/detomaso/attachments/20171011/bc3c9840/attachment-0001.jpe> 

------------------------------ 

Message: 7 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:21:20 -0700 
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> 
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <D603A050.1AA608%larrys at panteraparts.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" 

Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our 
extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially 
Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would 
you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
Larry Stock 

On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" 
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 

> All, 
> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house 
> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he 
> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was 
> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped 
> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all 
> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
> reduced to ashes. :<( 
> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, 
> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you 
> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and 
> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and 
> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well 
> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We 
> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the 
> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is 
> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is 
> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill 
> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that 
> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
> from certain. 
> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he 
> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't 
> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
> they would do so). 
> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
> Mike 
>_______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
>Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>DeTomaso mailing list 
>DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> 
>To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use 
>the links above. 
> 
>Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
>message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 
>They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or 
>approve the archiving of list messages. 




------------------------------ 

Message: 8 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:22:56 +0000 
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" 
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: 
<MWHPR1801MB18702B942BD4F5295FCCE722954A0 at MWHPR1801MB1870.namprd18.prod.outlook.com> 

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" 

Mike, 


Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our fellow De Tomaso friends. 


It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas, such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country. 


Julian 


________________________________ 
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

All, 

I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about 
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd give 
an update to everyone. 

The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east from 
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire 
is burning away from us. 

There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected 
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in 
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side 
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first 
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had literally only 
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally open 
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced 
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful 
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<( 

Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire 
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom Leonard, 
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly 
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the 
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his Pantera. He 
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate immediately. 
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to 
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They then went 
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented 
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it 
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side 
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and 
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep 
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards 
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires are 
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be 
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain. 

Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of 
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away 
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his 
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his property 
with his garden hose. 

Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to 
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post 
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 

Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have a 
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be 
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they have 
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their only 
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so). 

Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who 
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<( 

Mike 


-------------- next part -------------- 
Mike, 

Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our 
fellow De Tomaso friends. 

It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been 
able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that 
some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen 
are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas, 
such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country. 

Julian 
__________________________________________________________________ 

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of 
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

All, 
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
about 
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought 
I'd give 
an update to everyone. 
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
east from 
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the 
fire 
is burning away from us. 
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
affected 
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was 
smack in 
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left 
side 
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first 
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had 
literally only 
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to 
normally open 
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and 
raced 
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful 
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<( 
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
fire 
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom 
Leonard, 
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly 
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at 
the 
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his 
Pantera. He 
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate 
immediately. 
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to 
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They 
then went 
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities 
prevented 
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly, 
and it 
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east 
side 
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley 
and 
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is 
a steep 
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is 
just 
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
yards 
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The 
fires are 
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will 
be 
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain. 
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
side of 
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so 
away 
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his 
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his 
property 
with his garden hose. 
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
appears to 
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did 
post 
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
have a 
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be 
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they 
have 
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is 
their only 
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so). 
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
who 
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye...:<( 
Mike 

------------------------------ 

Message: 9 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:32:48 -0400 
From: "Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> 
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <3C82A56965774592BE06F02FAFCB738F at LarryPCHP> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

Mike, 

I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the fires. I 
know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories attached 
to that stuff too. 

Few things as devastating in life as this. 

God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out. 

Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland 

-----Original Message----- 
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

All, 

I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about 
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd 
give 
an update to everyone. 

The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east 
from 
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire 

is burning away from us. 

There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected 
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in 
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side 
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first 
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had 
literally only 
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally 
open 
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced 
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful 
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<( 

Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire 
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom 
Leonard, 
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly 
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the 
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his 
Pantera. He 
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate 
immediately. 
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to 
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They then 
went 
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented 
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and 
it 
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side 

of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and 
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a 
steep 
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards 
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires 
are 
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be 
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain. 

Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of 
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away 
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his 
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his 
property 
with his garden hose. 

Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to 
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post 
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 

Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have a 
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be 
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they have 
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their 
only 
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so). 

Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who 
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<( 

Mike 





------------------------------ 

Message: 10 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:03:29 -0700 
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> 
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <5F0FD259-9208-4664-AF5A-87717124DFF9 at aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 

We are getting a lot of help. Driving on the freeway just now I was passed by a convoy of 4x4 fire trucks from Eugene Oregon racing towards the fire 

Mike 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 10:32, Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: 
> 
> Mike, 
> 
> I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the fires. I 
> know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories attached 
> to that stuff too. 
> 
> Few things as devastating in life as this. 
> 
> God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out. 
> 
> Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf 
> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM 
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
> 
> All, 
> 
> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about 
> the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd 
> give 
> an update to everyone. 
> 
> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east 
> from 
> the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire 
> 
> is burning away from us. 
> 
> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected 
> to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in 
> the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side 
> of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first 
> notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had 
> literally only 
> one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally 
> open 
> his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced 
> away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful 
> big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<( 
> 
> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire 
> symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom 
> Leonard, 
> lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly 
> north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the 
> Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his 
> Pantera. He 
> was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate 
> immediately. 
> He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to 
> Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They then 
> went 
> back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented 
> them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and 
> it 
> seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side 
> 
> of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and 
> his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a 
> steep 
> hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards 
> from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires 
> are 
> generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be 
> spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain. 
> 
> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of 
> Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away 
> in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his 
> Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his 
> property 
> with his garden hose. 
> 
> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to 
> be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post 
> about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
> 
> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have a 
> large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be 
> moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they have 
> evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their 
> only 
> collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so). 
> 
> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who 
> literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<( 
> 
> Mike 
> 
> 
> 



------------------------------ 

Message: 11 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:34:58 -0500 
From: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com> 
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> 
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: 
<2DD401F8-5A0B-4466-8C6F-02E1533F59B5 at scottmeadphotography.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 

Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 

Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

Scott & Debi Mead 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our 
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially 
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would 
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> Larry Stock 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" 
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
>> All, 
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
>> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house 
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he 
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was 
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped 
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all 
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
>> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, 
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you 
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and 
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and 
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well 
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We 
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the 
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is 
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is 
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill 
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that 
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
>> from certain. 
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he 
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't 
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
>> they would do so). 
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
>> Mike 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use 
>> the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 
>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or 
>> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 



------------------------------ 

Message: 12 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:00:06 +0000 (UTC) 
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> 
To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <714028579.6084652.1507748406678 at mail.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning and?there are a lot of?untouched houses next to houses burned to the ground.? I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the attic are the difference.? It's probably a good idea to make sure there are no openings allowing the embers in. 
Ken 

From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

? All, 
? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
? thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is indicated by the 
? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
? south so the fire is burning away from us. 
? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house 
? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him; somehow he 
? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His power was 
? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped 
? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home, and all 
? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
? reduced to ashes. :<( 
? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new owner, 
? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.? Many of you 
? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and 
? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the Ford GT and 
? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well 
? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.? We 
? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the 
? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is 
? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his house is 
? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill 
? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that 
? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
? from certain. 
? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with him, he 
? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
? hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.? They 
? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.? I don't 
? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
? (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
? they would do so). 
? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
? Mike 
_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 


-------------- next part -------------- 
We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning 
and there are a lot of untouched houses next to houses burned to the 
ground. I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the 
attic are the difference. It's probably a good idea to make sure there 
are no openings allowing the embers in. 
Ken 
__________________________________________________________________ 

From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
All, 
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by 
the 
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
south so the fire is burning away from us. 
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his 
house 
was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
(on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he 
missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. 
Monday 
morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was 
out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they 
jumped 
in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all 
their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
reduced to ashes. :<( 
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, 
Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of 
you 
met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning 
and 
ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT 
and 
their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but 
well 
away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We 
have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though 
the 
'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road 
is 
approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house 
is 
on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep 
hill 
with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is 
just 
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible 
that 
his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
from certain. 
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he 
had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't 
know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
(although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
they would do so). 
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
Mike 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 

References 

1. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

------------------------------ 

Message: 13 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:27:15 +0000 
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry 
Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> 
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <6CC629CC-7B9B-4DF9-BB1B-B91CBE1EB6AC at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 

Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent, 
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we 
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 

(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?) 



"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 

Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
Dawn Spacecraft Team 
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
Phone: (818) 393-6261 
Cell: (818) 653-8213 
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 
?? 


On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 

Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 

Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

Scott & Debi Mead 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our 
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially 
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would 
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> Larry Stock 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" 
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
>> All, 
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
>> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house 
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he 
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was 
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped 
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all 
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
>> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, 
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you 
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and 
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and 
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well 
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We 
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the 
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is 
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is 
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill 
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that 
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
>> from certain. 
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he 
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't 
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
>> they would do so). 
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
>> Mike 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use 
>> the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 
>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or 
>> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 

_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 


------------------------------ 

Message: 14 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:38:48 +0000 
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead 
Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock 
<larrys at panteraparts.com> 
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: 
<MWHPR1801MB187060484A5A253A96C32A39954A0 at MWHPR1801MB1870.namprd18.prod.outlook.com> 

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers. 


As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 


Julian 

________________________________ 
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 

Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent, 
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we 
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 

(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?) 



"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 

Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
Dawn Spacecraft Team 
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
Phone: (818) 393-6261 
Cell: (818) 653-8213 
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 
?? 


On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 

Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 

Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

Scott & Debi Mead 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our 
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially 
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would 
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> Larry Stock 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" 
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
>> All, 
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
>> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house 
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he 
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was 
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped 
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all 
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
>> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, 
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you 
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and 
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and 
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well 
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We 
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the 
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is 
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is 
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill 
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that 
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
>> from certain. 
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he 
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't 
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
>> they would do so). 
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
>> Mike 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 



>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use 
>> the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 
>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or 
>> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 



> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 

_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 




To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 

_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 




To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
-------------- next part -------------- 
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value 
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of 
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding 
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any 
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement 
value with the run of the mill insurers. 

As most of my early career was international assignments we used to 
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare 
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've 
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to 
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 

Julian 
__________________________________________________________________ 

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of 
Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written 
report done by qualified agent, 
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as 
you add things (like we 
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value") 
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 

Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
Dawn Spacecraft Team 
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
Phone: (818) 393-6261 
Cell: (818) 653-8213 
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 

On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" 
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera 
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who 
loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to 
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage 
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the 
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the 
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and 
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented 
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative 
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters 
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I 
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 

Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

Scott & Debi Mead 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock 
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering 
about our 
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted 
especially 
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, 
what would 
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> Larry Stock 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via 
DeTomaso" 
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
>> All, 
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners 
concerned 
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, 
so I 
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated 
by the 
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 
miles 
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from 
north to 
>> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have 
been 
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and 
his house 
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa 
Rosa 
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow 
he 
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. 
Monday 
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His 
power was 
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they 
jumped 
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, 
and all 
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, 
were 
>> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a 
round 
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new 
owner, 
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road 
that 
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. 
Many of you 
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his 
Ford GT 
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
morning and 
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford 
GT and 
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away 
but well 
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to 
retrieve 
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from 
returning. We 
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as 
though the 
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the 
road is 
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his 
house is 
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a 
steep hill 
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire 
is just 
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few 
hundred 
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his 
home. 
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least 
possible that 
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that 
is FAR 
>> from certain. 
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the 
eastern 
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two 
fires, a 
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with 
him, he 
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, 
and was 
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, 
and 
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his 
phone, 
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. 
They 
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but 
it 
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I 
don't 
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their 
Pantera 
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly 
hope 
>> they would do so). 
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike 
Russo 
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an 
eyea|:<( 
>> Mike 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[2]DeTomaso Info Page 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use 
>> the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any 
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. 
>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or 
>> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[4]DeTomaso Info Page 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members 
of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 

_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[6]DeTomaso Info Page 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[8]DeTomaso Info Page 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 

References 

1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

------------------------------ 

Message: 15 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:07:05 +0000 (UTC) 
From: Dennis Valdez <sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com> 
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "Himes, Terry (397C)" 
<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead Photography 
<scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock 
<larrys at panteraparts.com> 
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, 
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <771130712.36164.1507752425860 at mail.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Thank you Mike, 
This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area.? We had a beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak.? We noticed how unusually strong the wind was that day.? Sunday evening went to bed after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm.? ?By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.? These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.?? 
God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first responders trying to get a handle on this beast. 

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: 


? Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value 
? policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of 
? your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding 
? furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any 
? valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement 
? value with the run of the mill insurers. 

? As most of my early career was international assignments we used to 
? have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare 
? such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've 
? collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to 
? remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 

? Julian 
? ? __________________________________________________________________ 

? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of 
? Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
? Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
? To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
? Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

? Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!? Thanks Scott. 
? Video is a great idea.? I had mine inspected, certified and a written 
? report done by qualified agent, 
? who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as 
? you add things (like we 
? all do) to your car.? Going to do a video tonight. 
? (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value") 
? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
? ? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 

? Terry W. Himes 
? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
? Dawn Spacecraft Team 
? Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
? Phone: (818) 393-6261 
? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213 
? thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 

? On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" 
? <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
? scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 
? ? ? Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera 
? brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who 
? loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

? ? ? Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to 
? increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage 
? address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the 
? agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the 
? Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and 
? details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented 
? the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative 
? that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

? ? ? It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters 
? strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I 
? have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 

? ? ? Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

? ? ? Scott & Debi Mead 

? ? ? Sent from my iPhone 

? ? ? > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock 
? <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
? ? ? > 
? ? ? > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering 
? about our 
? ? ? > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted 
? especially 
? ? ? > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, 
? what would 
? ? ? > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
? ? ? > Larry Stock 
? ? ? > 
? ? ? > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via 
? DeTomaso" 
? ? ? > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
? ? ? > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
? ? ? > 
? ? ? >>? All, 
? ? ? >>? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners 
? concerned 
? ? ? >>? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, 
? so I 
? ? ? >>? thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
? ? ? >>? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is indicated 
? by the 
? ? ? >>? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 
? miles 
? ? ? >>? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from 
? north to 
? ? ? >>? south so the fire is burning away from us. 
? ? ? >>? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have 
? been 
? ? ? >>? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and 
? his house 
? ? ? >>? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa 
? Rosa 
? ? ? >>? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him; somehow 
? he 
? ? ? >>? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. 
? Monday 
? ? ? >>? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His 
? power was 
? ? ? >>? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they 
? jumped 
? ? ? >>? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home, 
? and all 
? ? ? >>? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, 
? were 
? ? ? >>? reduced to ashes. :<( 
? ? ? >>? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a 
? round 
? ? ? >>? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new 
? owner, 
? ? ? >>? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road 
? that 
? ? ? >>? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. 
? Many of you 
? ? ? >>? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his 
? Ford GT 
? ? ? >>? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
? morning and 
? ? ? >>? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the Ford 
? GT and 
? ? ? >>? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away 
? but well 
? ? ? >>? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to 
? retrieve 
? ? ? >>? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from 
? returning.? We 
? ? ? >>? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as 
? though the 
? ? ? >>? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the 
? road is 
? ? ? >>? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his 
? house is 
? ? ? >>? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a 
? steep hill 
? ? ? >>? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire 
? is just 
? ? ? >>? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few 
? hundred 
? ? ? >>? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his 
? home. 
? ? ? >>? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least 
? possible that 
? ? ? >>? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that 
? is FAR 
? ? ? >>? from certain. 
? ? ? >>? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the 
? eastern 
? ? ? >>? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two 
? fires, a 
? ? ? >>? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with 
? him, he 
? ? ? >>? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, 
? and was 
? ? ? >>? hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
? ? ? >>? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, 
? and 
? ? ? >>? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his 
? phone, 
? ? ? >>? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
? ? ? >>? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. 
? They 
? ? ? >>? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but 
? it 
? ? ? >>? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.? I 
? don't 
? ? ? >>? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their 
? Pantera 
? ? ? >>? (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly 
? hope 
? ? ? >>? they would do so). 
? ? ? >>? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike 
? Russo 
? ? ? >>? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an 
? eyea|:<( 
? ? ? >>? Mike 
? ? ? >> _______________________________________________ 
? ? ? >> 
? ? ? >> 
? ? ? >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
? ? ? >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
? ? ? >> DeTomaso mailing list 
? ? ? >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
? ? ? >> [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? [2]DeTomaso Info Page 
? server.detomasolist.com 
? This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
? discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
? unmoderated mailing list ... 
? ? ? >> 
? ? ? >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
? etc.) use 
? ? ? >> the links above. 
? ? ? >> 
? ? ? >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
? forward any 
? ? ? >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
? the list. 
? ? ? >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
? or 
? ? ? >> approve the archiving of list messages. 
? ? ? > 
? ? ? > 
? ? ? > _______________________________________________ 
? ? ? > 
? ? ? > 
? ? ? > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
? ? ? > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
? ? ? > DeTomaso mailing list 
? ? ? > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
? ? ? > [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? [4]DeTomaso Info Page 
? server.detomasolist.com 
? This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
? discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
? unmoderated mailing list ... 
? ? ? > 
? ? ? > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
? etc.) use the links above. 
? ? ? > 
? ? ? > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
? forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members 
? of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
? archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
? ? ? > 

? ? ? _______________________________________________ 


? ? ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
? ? ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
? ? ? DeTomaso mailing list 
? ? ? DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
? ? ? [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? [6]DeTomaso Info Page 
? server.detomasolist.com 
? This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
? discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
? unmoderated mailing list ... 

? ? ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
? etc.) use the links above. 

? ? ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
? any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
? or approve the archiving of list messages. 
? _______________________________________________ 
? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
? DeTomaso mailing list 
? DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
? [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? [8]DeTomaso Info Page 
? server.detomasolist.com 
? This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
? discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
? unmoderated mailing list ... 
? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
? use the links above. 
? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
? or approve the archiving of list messages. 

References 

? 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
? 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 



| | Virus-free. www.avast.com | 

-------------- next part -------------- 
Thank you Mike, 
This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area. We had a 
beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak. We noticed how 
unusually strong the wind was that day. Sunday evening went to bed 
after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm. 
By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight. 
These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds. 
God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first 
responders trying to get a handle on this beast. 
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift 
<julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: 
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value 
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of 
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding 
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any 
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement 
value with the run of the mill insurers. 
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to 
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to 
prepare 
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've 
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me 
to 
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 
Julian 
__________________________________________________________________ 
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on 
behalf of 
Himes, Terry (397C) <[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
Cc: [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written 
report done by qualified agent, 
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update 
as 
you add things (like we 
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value") 
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 
Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
Dawn Spacecraft Team 
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
Phone: (818) 393-6261 
Cell: (818) 653-8213 
[5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" 
<[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
[7]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera 
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who 
loses their car due to a natural disaster. 
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) 
to 
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage 
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the 
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the 
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and 
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented 
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative 
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters 
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what 
I 
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 
Scott & Debi Mead 
Sent from my iPhone 
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock 
<[8]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been 
wondering 
about our 
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted 
especially 
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, 
what would 
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> Larry Stock 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via 
DeTomaso" 
> <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
> [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
>> All, 
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners 
concerned 
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, 
so I 
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is 
indicated 
by the 
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 
miles 
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from 
north to 
>> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have 
been 
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and 
his house 
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of 
Santa 
Rosa 
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; 
somehow 
he 
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 
a.m. 
Monday 
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His 
power was 
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so 
they 
jumped 
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, 
and all 
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, 
were 
>> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with 
a 
round 
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new 
owner, 
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the 
road 
that 
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. 
Many of you 
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his 
Ford GT 
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
morning and 
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the 
Ford 
GT and 
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far 
away 
but well 
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to 
retrieve 
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from 
returning. We 
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as 
though the 
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of 
the 
road is 
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his 
house is 
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a 
steep hill 
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the 
fire 
is just 
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few 
hundred 
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his 
home. 
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least 
possible that 
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but 
that 
is FAR 
>> from certain. 
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the 
eastern 
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two 
fires, a 
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with 
him, he 
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, 
and was 
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, 
and 
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his 
phone, 
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. 
They 
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, 
but 
it 
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. 
I 
don't 
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their 
Pantera 
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would 
certainly 
hope 
>> they would do so). 
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to 
Mike 
Russo 
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an 
eyea|:<( 
>> Mike 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> [11]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> 
[1][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[2]DeTomaso Info Page 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, 
unsubscribe, 
etc.) use 
>> the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any 
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. 
>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive 
or 
>> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> [13]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> [3][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[4]DeTomaso Info Page 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future 
members 
of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[15]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[5][16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[6]DeTomaso Info Page 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[17]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[7][18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[8]DeTomaso Info Page 
server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any 
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 
References 
1. [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
2. [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
3. [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
4. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
5. [23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
6. [24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
7. [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
8. [26]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[27]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 

Virus-free. [29]www.avast.com 

References 

Visible links 
1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 
3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 
4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 
6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
7. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 
8. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com 
9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
27. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
29. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link 

Hidden links: 
31. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 
32. file://localhost/tmp/tmpTfag9j.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 

------------------------------ 

Message: 16 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:58:20 -0700 
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" 
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <4650A714-9F3F-44E6-8C34-BFD402CFCE1D at aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Julian, 

Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and jewelry.... 

Mike 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers. 
> 
> 
> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 
> 
> 
> Julian 
> 
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
> 
> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 
> 
> Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent, 
> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we 
> all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 
> 
> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?) 
> 
> 
> 
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 
> 
> Terry W. Himes 
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
> Dawn Spacecraft Team 
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
> Phone: (818) 393-6261 
> Cell: (818) 653-8213 
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 
> ?? 
> 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 
> 
> Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 
> 
> It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 
> 
> Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 
> 
> Scott & Debi Mead 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our 
> > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially 
> > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would 
> > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> > Larry Stock 
> > 
> > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" 
> > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
> > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> > 
> >> All, 
> >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
> >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
> >> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
> >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
> >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
> >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
> >> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
> >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
> >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house 
> >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
> >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he 
> >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
> >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was 
> >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped 
> >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all 
> >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
> >> reduced to ashes. :<( 
> >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
> >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, 
> >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
> >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you 
> >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
> >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and 
> >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and 
> >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well 
> >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
> >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We 
> >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the 
> >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is 
> >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is 
> >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill 
> >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
> >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
> >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
> >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that 
> >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
> >> from certain. 
> >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
> >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
> >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he 
> >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
> >> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
> >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
> >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
> >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
> >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
> >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
> >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't 
> >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
> >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
> >> they would do so). 
> >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
> >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
> >> Mike 
> >> _______________________________________________ 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> >> DeTomaso mailing list 
> >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> DeTomaso Info Page 
> server.detomasolist.com 
> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 
> 
> 
> >> 
> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use 
> >> the links above. 
> >> 
> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
> >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 
> >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or 
> >> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > 
> > 
> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> > DeTomaso mailing list 
> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> DeTomaso Info Page 
> server.detomasolist.com 
> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 
> 
> 
> > 
> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> > 
> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> DeTomaso Info Page 
> server.detomasolist.com 
> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 
> 
> 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> DeTomaso Info Page 
> server.detomasolist.com 
> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 
> 
> 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
-------------- next part -------------- 
Julian, 

Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, 
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners 
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides 
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and 
jewelry.... 

Mike 
Sent from my iPhone 

On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
wrote: 

Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value 
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of 
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding 
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any 
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement 
value with the run of the mill insurers. 

As most of my early career was international assignments we used to 
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare 
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've 
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to 
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 

Julian 
__________________________________________________________________ 

From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf 
of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written 
report done by qualified agent, 
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as 
you add things (like we 
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value") 
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 

Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
Dawn Spacecraft Team 
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
Phone: (818) 393-6261 
Cell: (818) 653-8213 
[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 

On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" 
<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
[8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera 
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who 
loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to 
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage 
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the 
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the 
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and 
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented 
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative 
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters 
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I 
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 

Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

Scott & Debi Mead 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock 
<[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering 
about our 
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted 
especially 
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, 
what would 
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> Larry Stock 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via 
DeTomaso" 
> <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
> [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
>> All, 
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners 
concerned 
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, 
so I 
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated 
by the 
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 
miles 
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from 
north to 
>> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have 
been 
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and 
his house 
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa 
Rosa 
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow 
he 
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. 
Monday 
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His 
power was 
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they 
jumped 
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, 
and all 
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, 
were 
>> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a 
round 
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new 
owner, 
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road 
that 
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. 
Many of you 
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his 
Ford GT 
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
morning and 
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford 
GT and 
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away 
but well 
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to 
retrieve 
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from 
returning. We 
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as 
though the 
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the 
road is 
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his 
house is 
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a 
steep hill 
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire 
is just 
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few 
hundred 
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his 
home. 
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least 
possible that 
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that 
is FAR 
>> from certain. 
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the 
eastern 
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two 
fires, a 
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with 
him, he 
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, 
and was 
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, 
and 
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his 
phone, 
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. 
They 
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but 
it 
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I 
don't 
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their 
Pantera 
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly 
hope 
>> they would do so). 
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike 
Russo 
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an 
eyea|:<( 
>> Mike 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> [12]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[14]DeTomaso Info Page 
[15]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use 
>> the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any 
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. 
>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or 
>> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> [16]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[18]DeTomaso Info Page 
[19]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members 
of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 

_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[20]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[22]DeTomaso Info Page 
[23]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[24]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[26]DeTomaso Info Page 
[27]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 

References 

1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 
2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
3. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 
4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 
5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
6. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 
7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
8. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 
9. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com 
10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
12. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
15. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 
16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
19. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 
20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
23. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 
24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
27. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 

------------------------------ 

Message: 17 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:06:12 +0000 
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" 
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: 
<MWHPR1801MB1870723EA3C21DAAD9A23B6F954A0 at MWHPR1801MB1870.namprd18.prod.outlook.com> 

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is well prepared with! 


Julian 

________________________________ 
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM 
To: Julian Kift 
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

Julian, 

Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and jewelry.... 

Mike 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote: 


Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers. 


As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 


Julian 

________________________________ 
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 

Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent, 
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we 
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 

(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?) 



"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 

Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
Dawn Spacecraft Team 
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
Phone: (818) 393-6261 
Cell: (818) 653-8213 
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
?? 


On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com<mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote: 

Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 

Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

Scott & Debi Mead 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>> wrote: 
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our 
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially 
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would 
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> Larry Stock 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" 
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of 
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: 
> 
>> All, 
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
>> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house 
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he 
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was 
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped 
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all 
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
>> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, 
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you 
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and 
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and 
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well 
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We 
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the 
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is 
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is 
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill 
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that 
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
>> from certain. 
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he 
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't 
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
>> they would do so). 
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
>> Mike 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com> 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 



>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use 
>> the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 
>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or 
>> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com> 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 



> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 

_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com> 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 




To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 

_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com> 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 




To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
-------------- next part -------------- 
Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab 
and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is 
well prepared with! 

Julian 
__________________________________________________________________ 

From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM 
To: Julian Kift 
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock; 
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

Julian, 
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, 
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners 
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides 
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and 
jewelry.... 
Mike 
Sent from my iPhone 
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
wrote: 

Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value 
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of 
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding 
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any 
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement 
value with the run of the mill insurers. 

As most of my early career was international assignments we used to 
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare 
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've 
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to 
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 

Julian 
__________________________________________________________________ 

From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf 
of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written 
report done by qualified agent, 
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as 
you add things (like we 
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value") 
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 

Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
Dawn Spacecraft Team 
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
Phone: (818) 393-6261 
Cell: (818) 653-8213 
[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 

On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" 
<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
[8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera 
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who 
loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to 
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage 
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the 
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the 
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and 
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented 
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative 
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters 
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I 
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 

Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

Scott & Debi Mead 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock 
<[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering 
about our 
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted 
especially 
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, 
what would 
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> Larry Stock 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via 
DeTomaso" 
> <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
> [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
>> All, 
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners 
concerned 
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, 
so I 
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated 
by the 
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 
miles 
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from 
north to 
>> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have 
been 
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and 
his house 
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa 
Rosa 
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow 
he 
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. 
Monday 
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His 
power was 
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they 
jumped 
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, 
and all 
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, 
were 
>> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a 
round 
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new 
owner, 
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road 
that 
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. 
Many of you 
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his 
Ford GT 
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
morning and 
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford 
GT and 
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away 
but well 
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to 
retrieve 
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from 
returning. We 
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as 
though the 
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the 
road is 
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his 
house is 
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a 
steep hill 
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire 
is just 
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few 
hundred 
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his 
home. 
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least 
possible that 
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that 
is FAR 
>> from certain. 
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the 
eastern 
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two 
fires, a 
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with 
him, he 
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, 
and was 
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, 
and 
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his 
phone, 
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. 
They 
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but 
it 
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I 
don't 
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their 
Pantera 
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly 
hope 
>> they would do so). 
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike 
Russo 
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an 
eyea|:<( 
>> Mike 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> [12]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[14]DeTomaso Info Page 
[15]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use 
>> the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any 
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. 
>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or 
>> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> [16]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[18]DeTomaso Info Page 
[19]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members 
of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 

_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[20]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[22]DeTomaso Info Page 
[23]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[24]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[26]DeTomaso Info Page 
[27]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 

References 

1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 
2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
3. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 
4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 
5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
6. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 
7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
8. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 
9. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com 
10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
12. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
15. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 
16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
19. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 
20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
23. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 
24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
27. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 

------------------------------ 

Message: 18 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:49:51 -0700 
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" 
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <C44AE8CB-8C60-46D7-865B-96A3459D0B1B at aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc) into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum of treated water too. 

Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars, water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from home. 

But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often than not). 

You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first time when flames are licking against your fences! 

Mike 

Sent from my iPad 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is well prepared with! 
> 
> 
> Julian 
> 
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM 
> To: Julian Kift 
> Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
> 
> Julian, 
> 
> Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and jewelry.... 
> 
> Mike 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
>> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers. 
>> 
>> 
>> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 
>> 
>> 
>> Julian 
>> 
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
>> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
>> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
>> 
>> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 
>> 
>> Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent, 
>> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we 
>> all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 
>> 
>> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?) 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 
>> 
>> Terry W. Himes 
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
>> Dawn Spacecraft Team 
>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261 
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213 
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 
>> ?? 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 
>> 
>> Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 
>> 
>> It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 
>> 
>> Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 
>> 
>> Scott & Debi Mead 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our 
>> > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially 
>> > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would 
>> > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
>> > Larry Stock 
>> > 
>> > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" 
>> > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
>> > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> All, 
>> >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned 
>> >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I 
>> >> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the 
>> >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles 
>> >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to 
>> >> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been 
>> >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house 
>> >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa 
>> >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he 
>> >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
>> >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was 
>> >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped 
>> >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all 
>> >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were 
>> >> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round 
>> >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, 
>> >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that 
>> >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you 
>> >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT 
>> >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and 
>> >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and 
>> >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well 
>> >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve 
>> >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We 
>> >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the 
>> >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is 
>> >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is 
>> >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill 
>> >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
>> >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred 
>> >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. 
>> >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that 
>> >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR 
>> >> from certain. 
>> >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern 
>> >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a 
>> >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he 
>> >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was 
>> >> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and 
>> >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, 
>> >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They 
>> >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it 
>> >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't 
>> >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera 
>> >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope 
>> >> they would do so). 
>> >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo 
>> >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<( 
>> >> Mike 
>> >> _______________________________________________ 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> >> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> DeTomaso Info Page 
>> server.detomasolist.com 
>> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 
>> 
>> 
>> >> 
>> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use 
>> >> the links above. 
>> >> 
>> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
>> >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 
>> >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or 
>> >> approve the archiving of list messages. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > _______________________________________________ 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> > DeTomaso mailing list 
>> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> DeTomaso Info Page 
>> server.detomasolist.com 
>> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 
>> 
>> 
>> > 
>> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
>> > 
>> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
>> > 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> DeTomaso Info Page 
>> server.detomasolist.com 
>> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
>> DeTomaso Info Page 
>> server.detomasolist.com 
>> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
-------------- next part -------------- 
Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a 
concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the 
house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc) 
into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so 
I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would 
be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum 
of treated water too. 

Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars, 
water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from 
home. 

But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to 
undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street 
and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the 
garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often 
than not). 

You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first 
time when flames are licking against your fences! 

Mike 
Sent from my iPad 

On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
wrote: 

Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab 
and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is 
well prepared with! 

Julian 
__________________________________________________________________ 

From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM 
To: Julian Kift 
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock; 
[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

Julian, 
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, 
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners 
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides 
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and 
jewelry.... 
Mike 
Sent from my iPhone 
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
wrote: 

Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value 
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of 
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding 
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any 
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement 
value with the run of the mill insurers. 

As most of my early career was international assignments we used to 
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare 
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've 
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to 
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen. 

Julian 
__________________________________________________________________ 

From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf 
of Himes, Terry (397C) <[6]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM 
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock 
Cc: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 

Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott. 
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written 
report done by qualified agent, 
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as 
you add things (like we 
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight. 
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value") 
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, 
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" 

Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory 
Dawn Spacecraft Team 
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead 
Phone: (818) 393-6261 
Cell: (818) 653-8213 
[9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 

On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" 
<[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
[11]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: 
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera 
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who 
loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to 
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage 
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the 
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the 
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and 
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented 
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative 
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters 
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I 
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid). 

Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

Scott & Debi Mead 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock 
<[12]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: 
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering 
about our 
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted 
especially 
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, 
what would 
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted. 
> Larry Stock 
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via 
DeTomaso" 
> <[13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
> [14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
>> All, 
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners 
concerned 
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, 
so I 
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone. 
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated 
by the 
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 
miles 
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from 
north to 
>> south so the fire is burning away from us. 
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have 
been 
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and 
his house 
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa 
Rosa 
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow 
he 
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. 
Monday 
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His 
power was 
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they 
jumped 
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, 
and all 
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, 
were 
>> reduced to ashes. :<( 
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a 
round 
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new 
owner, 
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road 
that 
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. 
Many of you 
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his 
Ford GT 
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday 
morning and 
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford 
GT and 
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away 
but well 
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to 
retrieve 
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from 
returning. We 
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as 
though the 
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the 
road is 
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his 
house is 
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a 
steep hill 
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire 
is just 
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few 
hundred 
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his 
home. 
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least 
possible that 
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that 
is FAR 
>> from certain. 
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the 
eastern 
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two 
fires, a 
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with 
him, he 
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, 
and was 
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose. 
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, 
and 
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his 
phone, 
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday. 
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. 
They 
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but 
it 
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I 
don't 
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their 
Pantera 
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly 
hope 
>> they would do so). 
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike 
Russo 
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an 
eyea|:<( 
>> Mike 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> 
>> 
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
>> DeTomaso mailing list 
>> [15]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
>> [16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[17]DeTomaso Info Page 
[18]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
>> 
>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use 
>> the links above. 
>> 
>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any 
>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of 
the list. 
>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or 
>> approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> [19]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[21]DeTomaso Info Page 
[22]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to 
forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members 
of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an 
archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 
> 

_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[23]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[25]DeTomaso Info Page 
[26]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, 
etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward 
any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 
_______________________________________________ 
Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
[27]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
[28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
[29]DeTomaso Info Page 
[30]server.detomasolist.com 
This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the 
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an 
unmoderated mailing list ... 
To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) 
use the links above. 
Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the 
list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive 
or approve the archiving of list messages. 

References 

1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 
2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 
3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
4. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 
5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
6. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov 
7. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 
8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 
10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
11. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 
12. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com 
13. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 
14. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
18. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 
19. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
22. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 
23. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
26. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 
27. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
29. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
30. http://server.detomasolist.com/ 

------------------------------ 

Message: 19 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:56:50 -0700 
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> 
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" 
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( 
Message-ID: <472099A6-CDF0-498E-BF4B-3DC16B77FDCE at aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

All, 

Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed in the Santa Rosa fire: 

http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTHPNNR05796.asp 

Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles. 

So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with good reason...it was really a spectacular car. 

Mike 
-------------- next part -------------- 
All, 

Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed 
in the Santa Rosa fire: 

[1]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/ 
RTHPNNR05796.asp 

Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles. 

So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at 
Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with 
good reason...it was really a spectacular car. 

Mike 

References 

1. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTHPNNR05796.asp 

------------------------------ 

Message: 20 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:52:10 -0400 
From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com> 
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass 
Message-ID: <005101d342fc$b8e1e480$2aa5ad80$@jim-kosloskey.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the 
floor. I am indicating my age here. 



We drove mostly 2 lane roads. 



Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a double 
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of our 
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal 
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If it 
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn signal 
when it was safe. 



This was a common courtesy exchanged then. 



When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a 
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn 
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of the 
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and 
friends). 



When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became 
easier. 



Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow. 



I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A 
consideration I was raised with. 



Jim Kosloskey 

1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949 



-------------- next part -------------- 
Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the 
floor. I am indicating my age here. 


We drove mostly 2 lane roads. 


Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a 
double flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck 
driver of our intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his 
left turn signal (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal 
if it was not. If it was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would 
hit the left turn signal when it was safe. 


This was a common courtesy exchanged then. 


When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a 
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn 
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of 
the lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family 
and friends). 


When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became 
easier. 


Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow. 


I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A 
consideration I was raised with. 


Jim Kosloskey 

1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949 

------------------------------ 

Message: 21 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:25:46 -0400 
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com> 
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass 
Message-ID: <000101d34301$6bbd1b20$43375160$@com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the flash to 
indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed. 

Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make in 
the late 70's 

"break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!" 

-----Original Message----- 
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Kosloskey 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass 

Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the 
floor. I am indicating my age here. 



We drove mostly 2 lane roads. 



Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a double 
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of our 
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal 
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If it 
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn signal 
when it was safe. 



This was a common courtesy exchanged then. 



When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a 
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn 
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of the 
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and 
friends). 



When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became 
easier. 



Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow. 



I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A 
consideration I was raised with. 



Jim Kosloskey 

1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949 






------------------------------ 

Message: 22 
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:47:39 -0700 
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! 
Message-ID: <0444732A-B6A0-46D0-853C-B652EDF6EC10 at aol.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 

Guys, 

Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow, where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my uneducated guess is that it will stay that way. 

Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had to evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind! 

So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate danger. Thank goodness for that! 

Mike 


------------------------------ 

Message: 23 
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:17:34 -0400 
From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com> 
To: "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>, 
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass 
Message-ID: <002501d34354$168fe800$43afb800$@jim-kosloskey.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 

You are right. 

However, I had a trucker friend tell me it was better to just turn on and of 
the headlights as the brights could be blinding when the Trucker was trying 
to control his rig and check mirrors. I have tried to do that ever since. 

Since I have begun driving a 40' Motor Home I can attest to that potential 
issue (of course I am not a professional driver). 

I won't be doing that with the Pantera though - but then again I don't 
intend to drive it when headlights are needed. 

I too drove some long interstate miles for a number of years and the 
truckers by and large were very welcome companions. 

-----Original Message----- 
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf 
Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:26 PM 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass 

Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the flash to 
indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed. 

Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make in 
the late 70's 

"break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!" 

-----Original Message----- 
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Kosloskey 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM 
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass 

Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the 
floor. I am indicating my age here. 



We drove mostly 2 lane roads. 



Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a double 
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of our 
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal 
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If it 
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn signal 
when it was safe. 



This was a common courtesy exchanged then. 



When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a 
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn 
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of the 
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and 
friends). 



When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became 
easier. 



Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow. 



I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A 
consideration I was raised with. 



Jim Kosloskey 

1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949 




_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 
Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use 
the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any 
message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 
They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve 
the archiving of list messages. 



------------------------------ 

Message: 24 
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:59:49 -0400 
From: MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com> 
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> 
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> 
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! 
Message-ID: <913661DD-C233-4CC4-8DDF-4287FE87DEF7 at rogers.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 

Thanks for the updates Mike. It is really appreciated. 


Mark Charlton 
pantera01826 at rogers.com 



> On Oct 12, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: 
> 
> Guys, 
> 
> Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow, where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my uneducated guess is that it will stay that way. 
> 
> Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had to evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind! 
> 
> So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate danger. Thank goodness for that! 
> 
> Mike 
> _______________________________________________ 
> 
> 
> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
> DeTomaso mailing list 
> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 
> 
> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 
> 
> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 



------------------------------ 

Subject: Digest Footer 

_______________________________________________ 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 


------------------------------ 

End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13 
***************************************** 


_______________________________________________ 


Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA 
Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes 
DeTomaso mailing list 
DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 

To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 

Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 

-------------- next part --------------
   Rebuild it, it wouldn't be first Pantera to come back from ashes.
   Steve
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: "Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:33:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13
   I also pray that everyone stays safe and am incredibly sorry for Mike
   R's losses and anyone else encountering danger.
   -----Original Message-----
   From: detomaso-request <detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com>
   To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Thu, Oct 12, 2017 9:00 am
   Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13
   Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
           detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
           http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
           detomaso-request at server.detomasolist.com
   You can reach the person managing the list at
           detomaso-owner at server.detomasolist.com
   When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
   than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."
   Daily Detomaso List Digest
   Today's Topics:
      1. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton)
      2. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Rob Dumoulin)
      3. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors)
      4. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton)
      5. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors)
      6. Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
      7. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Larry Stock)
      8. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift)
      9. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Larry-Ohio Time Corp)
     10. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
     11. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Scott Mead Photography)
     12. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Ken Green)
     13. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Himes, Terry (397C))
     14. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift)
     15. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Dennis Valdez)
     16. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
     17. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift)
     18. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
     19. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
     20. Flash to Pass (Jim Kosloskey)
     21. Re: Flash to Pass (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
     22. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! (Mike Drew)
     23. Re: Flash to Pass (Jim Kosloskey)
     24. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! (MARK CHARLTON)
   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
   Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:05:29 -0700
   From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
   Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
   Message-ID: <1a6e00d1-8e54-45da-ab85-f3fb494334bd at asajay.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute
   used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.??
   Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068R? These are black and more
   like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.? They hold up better
   than cork.
   To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to
   the valve cover.? On the other side of the gasket, apply your average
   Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to
   spec.? It won't leak, honest.? Then the next time you need to take the
   valve cover off, it will come off easily.? Clean well, re-apply
   Vaseline and bolt back down.
   Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot
   running.
   Asa
   ?Asa? Jay? Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks?
   On Oct 11, 2017, 07:43, at 07:43, B Hower via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? Please
   >give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.?Bud #3400 ( Drive it
   >like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )
   >
   >|  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
   >
   >
   >
   >----------------------------------------------------------------------
   --
   >
   >_______________________________________________
   >
   >
   >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >DeTomaso mailing list
   >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >
   >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   >use the links above.
   >
   >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   >list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   >or approve the archiving of list messages.
   -------------- next part --------------
      If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research
   institute
      used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.A A
      [1]Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068RA  These are black and
      more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.A  They hold up
      better than cork.
      To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach
   to
      the valve cover.A  On the other side of the gasket, apply your
   average
      Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to
     spec.A  It won't leak, honest.A  Then the next time you need to take
      the valve cover off, it will come off easily.A  Clean well, re-apply
      Vaseline and bolt back down.
      Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot
      running.
      Asa
      AsaA  JayA  Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
      Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
      On Oct 11, 2017, at 07:43, B Hower via DeTomaso
      <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? Please
   give part
    # if known. Thanks for any help here. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there
   is no tom
   orrow -- for there may not be ! )
   |  | Virus-free. [3]www.avast.com  |
     _____________________________________________________________________
   ______
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the li
   nks above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message p
   osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They
   also grant
   the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the
   archiving of lis
   t messages.
   References
      1. https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068R
      2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      3. http://www.avast.com/
      4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ------------------------------
   Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:28 -0400
   From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
   To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
   Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
   Message-ID:
           <CAEr4y_vAteUSNXZH_VmSCk5tAkazRbxhSAwgE5k8j9nw5a_dyg at mail.gmail
   .com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.  This
   time
   I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle and
   they
   have not leaked since.
   Rob
   On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso <
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >  What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland?
   Please
   >    give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
   >
   >    Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
   not be
   >    ! )
   >
   >    Virus-free. [1]www.avast.com
   >
   > References
   >
   >    Visible links
   >    1. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
   > source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
   >
   >    Hidden links:
   >    3. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
   > source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
   >    4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
   > 40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
   >
   > _______________________________________________
   >
   >
   > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   > DeTomaso mailing list
   > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >
   > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use
   > the links above.
   >
   > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
   > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list.
   > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or
   approve
   > the archiving of list messages.
   >
   -------------- next part --------------
      I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
   This
      time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
      and they have not leaked since.
      RobA
      On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
      <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
        A  A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the
   Cleveland?
        Please
        A  A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
        A  A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
   may
        not be
        A  A ! )
        A  A Virus-free. [1][2]www.avast.com
        References
        A  A Visible links
        A  A 1. [3]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_

   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
        A  A Hidden links:
        A  A 3. [4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_

   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
        A  A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
        40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
        _______________________________________________
      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
        Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
        [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
        etc.) use the links above.
        Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
        any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
        the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
       archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
   References
      1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      2. http://www.avast.com/
      3.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
    4.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
    5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ------------------------------
   Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:28:40 -0500
   From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
   To: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
   Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
   Message-ID: <222B17BF-35AC-4EB9-A367-D4FFAEB66704 at msmcontractors.org>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   gaskets.
   Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
     https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
   <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
   David Finley
   #3659
   >   I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
   This
   >   time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
   middle
   >   and they have not leaked since.
   >   RobA
   >   On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
   >   <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >     A  A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the
   Cleveland?
   >     Please
   >     A  A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
   >     A  A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
   may
   >     not be
   >     A  A ! )
   >     A  A Virus-free. [1][2]www.avast.com
   >     References
   >     A  A Visible links
   >   A  A 1. [3]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
   >
   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
   >     A  A Hidden links:
   >     A  A 3. [4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
   >
   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
   >     A  A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
   >     40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
   >     _______________________________________________
   > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >     DeTomaso mailing list
   >     [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   >     etc.) use the links above.
   >     Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward
   >     any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
   >     the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   an
   >  archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >
   > References
   >
   >   1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >   2. http://www.avast.com/
   >   3.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
   > 4.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
   > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >   6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   > _______________________________________________
   >
   >
   > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   > DeTomaso mailing list
   > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >
   > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   >
   > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   -------------- next part --------------
      I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
      gaskets.
      Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
        [1]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
      David Finley
      #3659
        I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
      This
        time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
   middle
        and they have not leaked since.
        RobA
        On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
        <[1][2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
          A  A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the
      Cleveland?
          Please
          A  A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
          A  A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
      may
          not be
          A  A ! )
          A  A Virus-free. [1][2][3]www.avast.com
          References
          A  A Visible links
          A  A 1.
   [3][4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_

   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=lin
      k
         A  A Hidden links:
          A  A 3.
   [4][5]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_

   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=ico
      n
         A  A 4. [6]file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
          40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
          _______________________________________________
    Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
          DeTomaso mailing list
          [5][7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          [6][8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
          To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
          etc.) use the links above.
          Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward
          any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
          the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   an
     archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
      References
        1. [9]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        2. [10]http://www.avast.com/
     3.

   [11]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&ut
    m_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
        4.

   [12]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&ut
      m_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
        5. [13]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        6. [14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      _______________________________________________
      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
      Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list
      [15]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
      use the links above.
      Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
      message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or approve the archiving of list messages.
   References
      1. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
      2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      3. http://www.avast.com/
      4. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
      5. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
      6. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
      7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     10. http://www.avast.com/
     11.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
    12.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
    13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   ------------------------------
   Message: 4
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:54:26 -0700
   From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   To: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
   Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
   Message-ID: <84cab6c0-050f-4346-a77f-f91ca0371528 at asajay.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.? I may try those on
   my next build.? Thank you for the link.
   Asa
   ?Asa? Jay? Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks?
   On Oct 11, 2017, 09:28, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
   <david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
   >I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   >gaskets.
   >Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
   >https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
   ><https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
   >David Finley
   >#3659
   >
   >
   >
   >>   I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
   >This
   >>   time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
   >middle
   >>   and they have not leaked since.
   >>   RobA
   >>   On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
   >>   <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>
   >>     A  A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the
   >Cleveland?
   >>     Please
   >>     A  A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
   >>     A  A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
   >may
   >>     not be
   >>     A  A ! )
   >>     A  A Virus-free. [1][2]www.avast.com
   >>     References
   >>     A  A Visible links
   >>     A  A 1. [3]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
   >>
   >source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
   >>     A  A Hidden links:
   >>     A  A 3. [4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
   >>
   >source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
   >>     A  A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
   >>     40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
   >>     _______________________________________________
   >>     Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >>     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >>     DeTomaso mailing list
   >>     [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>     [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   >>     etc.) use the links above.
   >>     Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   >forward
   >>     any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   >of
   >>     the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   >an
   >>     archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >>
   >> References
   >>
   >>   1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>   2. http://www.avast.com/
   >>   3.
   >https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_c
   ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
   >> 4.
   >https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_c
   ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
   >> 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>   6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >> _______________________________________________
   >>
   >>
   >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >> DeTomaso mailing list
   >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>
   >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
   >use the links above.
   >>
   >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   >any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   >list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   >or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >
   >
   >
   >----------------------------------------------------------------------
   --
   >
   >_______________________________________________
   >
   >
   >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >DeTomaso mailing list
   >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >
   >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   >use the links above.
   >
   >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   >list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   >or approve the archiving of list messages.
   -------------- next part --------------
      I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.A  I may try those
   on
      my next build.A  Thank you for the link.
      Asa
      AsaA  JayA  Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
      Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
      On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
      <[1]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
   I use aReal Gasketsa Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   gaskets.
   Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
     [2]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
   <[3]https://realgas
   kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
   David Finley
   #3659
        I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
        This
        time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
   middle
        and they have not leaked since.
        RobA
        On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
        <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
        A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the
   Cleveland?
        Please
        A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
        A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
   may
        not be
        A A ! )
        A A Virus-free. [1][2][4]www.avast.com
        References
        A A Visible links
        A A 1. [3][5]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_

   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
        A A Hidden links:
        A A 3. [4][6]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_

   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
        A A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
        40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
          _______________________________________________________________
        Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
        Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
        [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        [6][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
        etc.) use the links above.
        Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
        any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
        the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
       archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
        References
        1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        2. [8]http://www.avast.com/
        3.

   [9]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&
     utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
        4.

   [10]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link
        &utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
        5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        6. [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
          _______________________________________________________________
        Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
        Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
        DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
        etc.) use the links above.
        Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
        any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
        the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
       archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
     _____________________________________________________________________
   ______
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the li
   nks above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message p
   osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They
   also grant
   the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the
   archiving of lis
   t messages.
   References
      1. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
      2. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37
      3. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37
      4. http://www.avast.com/
      5. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
      6. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
      7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      8. http://www.avast.com/
      9.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
    10.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
    11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ------------------------------
   Message: 5
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:57:55 -0500
   From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
   To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
   Message-ID: <76BB61EC-9FED-4D62-8C18-70325E206553 at msmcontractors.org>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and
   discuss any questions on the phone.
   They enjoy talking with their customers.
   Don?t think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro!
   David Finley
   #3659
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.  I may try those
   on my next build.  Thank you for the link.
   >
   > Asa
   >
   > Asa  Jay  Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
   > Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org
   <mailto:david at msmcontractors.org>> wrote:
   > I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   gaskets.
   > Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
   >   https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37
   <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/
   <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37
   <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/>
   > David Finley
   > #3659
   >
   >
   >
   >    I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
    This
   >    time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
   middle
   >    and they have not leaked since.
   >    RobA
   >    On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
   >    <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >      A  A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the
   Cleveland?
   >      Please
   >      A  A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
   >      A  A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
   may
   >      not be
   >      A  A ! )
   >    A  A Virus-free. [1][2]www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/>
   >      References
   >      A  A Visible links
   >      A  A 1. [3]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
   <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_>
   >
   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
   >      A  A Hidden links:
   >      A  A 3. [4]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
   <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_>
   >
   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
   >      A  A 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
   >      40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
   >
   >      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >      DeTomaso mailing list
   >     [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >      [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   >      To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   >      etc.) use the links above.
   >      Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward
   >      any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
   >      the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   an
   > archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >
   >  References
   >
   >   1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >    2. http://www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/>/
   >    3.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
   <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_c
   ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link>
   > 4.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
   <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_c
   ampaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon>
   > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >    6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   >
   >
   >
   >  Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >  Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >  DeTomaso mailing list
   >  DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >  http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   >
   >  To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
   >
   >  Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   > DeTomaso mailing list
   > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   >
   > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   >
   > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   -------------- next part --------------
      Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and
      discuss any questions on the phone.
      They enjoy talking with their customers.
      Don't think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro!
      David Finley
      #3659
      On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton
   <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
      wrote:
      I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.  I may try those
   on
      my next build.  Thank you for the link.
      Asa
      Asa  Jay  Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
      Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
      On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
      <[2]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
   I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   gaskets.
   Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
     [3]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
   <[4]https://realgas
   kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
   David Finley
   #3659
        I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
        This
        time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
   middle
        and they have not leaked since.
        RobA
        On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
        <[1][5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
        A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the
   Cleveland?
        Please
        A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
        A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
   may
        not be
        A A ! )
        A A Virus-free. [1][2][6]www.avast.com
        References
        A A Visible links
        A A 1. [3][7]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_

   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
        A A Hidden links:
        A A 3. [4][8]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_

   source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
        A A 4. [9]file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
        40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2
          _______________________________________________________________
        Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
        Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
        [5][10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        [6][11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
        etc.) use the links above.
        Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
        any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
        the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
       archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
        References
        1. [12]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        2. [13]http://www.avast.com/
    3.

   [14]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link
     &utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
        4.

   [15]https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link
        &utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
        5. [16]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        6. [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
          _______________________________________________________________
        Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
        Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
        [18]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
        etc.) use the links above.
        Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
        any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
        the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
       archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
     _____________________________________________________________________
   ______
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   [20]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the li
   nks above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message p
   osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They
   also grant
   the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the
   archiving of lis
   t messages.
   References
      1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
      2. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
      3. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37
      4. https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37
      5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      6. http://www.avast.com/
      7. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
      8. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
      9. file://localhost/tmp/tmpKttT6X.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-
     10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     12. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     13. http://www.avast.com/
     14.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
    15.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
    16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     18. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ------------------------------
   Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:08:26 -0400
   From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <113235.2cfa0417.470faa09 at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd give
   an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east from
   the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
   fire
   is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
   smack in
   the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   literally only
   one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to
   normally open
   his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom
   Leonard,
   lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him at
   the
   Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   Pantera. He
   was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   immediately.
     He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.   They
   then went
   back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
   and it
   seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
   side
   of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small valley
   and
   his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
   a steep
   hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The
   fires are
   generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
   be
   spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
   away
   in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   property
   with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They
   have a
   large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
   moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if they
   have
   evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their only
   collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(
   Mike
   -------------- next part --------------
      All,
      I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
      about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
      thought I'd give an update to everyone.
      The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by
   the
      blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
      east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
      south so the fire is burning away from us.
      There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
      affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
      was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
      (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
      missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
      morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
      out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
      in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and
   all
      their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
      reduced to ashes. :<(
      Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
      fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
      Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
      runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of
   you
      met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
   GT
      instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
      ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
    their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
      away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
      the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
      have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
      'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
      approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
      on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
      with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
      on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
      yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
      The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
      his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
      from certain.
      Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
      side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
      mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
      had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
      hosing down his property with his garden hose.
      Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
      appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
      although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
      Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
      have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
      seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
      know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
      (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
      they would do so).
      Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
      who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
      Mike
   -------------- next part --------------
   A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
   Name: Nor-Cal Fire Map.JPG
   Type: image/jpeg
   Size: 588793 bytes
   Desc: not available
   URL:
   <http://server.detomasolist.com/pipermail/detomaso/attachments/20171011
   /bc3c9840/attachment-0001.jpe>
   ------------------------------
   Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:21:20 -0700
   From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <D603A050.1AA608%larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="ISO-8859-1"
   Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about
   our
   extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
   Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
   would
   you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   Larry Stock
   On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >   All,
   >   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   >   about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   >   thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >   The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by
   the
   >   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   >   east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north
   to
   >   south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   >   affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   >   was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
   >   (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
   >   missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >   morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power
   was
   >   out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >   in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and
   all
   >   their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   >   reduced to ashes. :<(
   >   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
   >   fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
   >   Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
   >   runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of
   you
   >   met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
   GT
   >   instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   >   ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   >   their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   >   away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >   the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
   >   have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   >   'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
   >   approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   >   on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   >   with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   >   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   >  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   >   The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   >   his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
   >   from certain.
   >   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   >   side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   >   mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him,
   he
   >   had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and
   was
   >   hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   >   appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   >   although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
   >   have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   >  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
   >   know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   >   (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   >   they would do so).
   >   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >   who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   > Mike
   >_______________________________________________
   >
   >
   >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >DeTomaso mailing list
   >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >
   >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use
   >the links above.
   >
   >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list.
   >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or
   >approve the archiving of list messages.
   ------------------------------
   Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:22:56 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID:
           <MWHPR1801MB18702B942BD4F5295FCCE722954A0 at MWHPR1801MB1870.nampr
   d18.prod.outlook.com>

   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
   Mike,
   Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our
   fellow De Tomaso friends.
   It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been
   able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that
   some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen
   are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas,
   such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd give
   an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east from
   the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
   fire
   is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
   smack in
   the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   literally only
   one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to
   normally open
   his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom
   Leonard,
   lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him at
   the
   Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   Pantera. He
   was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   immediately.
     He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.   They
   then went
   back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
   and it
   seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
   side
   of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small valley
   and
   his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
   a steep
   hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The
   fires are
   generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
   be
   spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
   away
   in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   property
   with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They
   have a
   large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
   moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if they
   have
   evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their only
   collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(
   Mike
   -------------- next part --------------
      Mike,
      Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our
      fellow De Tomaso friends.
      It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have
   been
      able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that
      some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have
   seen
    are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas,
      such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
      Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
      All,
      I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
      about
      the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
      I'd give
      an update to everyone.
      The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by
   the
      blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
    east from
      the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so
   the
      fire
      is burning away from us.
      There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
      affected
      to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
      smack in
      the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
      side
      of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
      notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
   had
      literally only
      one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to
      normally open
      his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
      raced
      away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their
   beautiful
      big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
      Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
      fire
      symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom
      Leonard,
      lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs
   directly
      north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him
   at
      the
      Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of
   his
      Pantera. He
      was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
      immediately.
     He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
      Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.
   They
      then went
      back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
      prevented
      them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps
   constantly,
      and it
      seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the
   east
      side
      of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small
   valley
      and
      his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there
   is
      a steep
      hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is
      just
      on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
      yards
      from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The
      fires are
      generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home
   will
      be
      spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
      Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
      side of
      Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or
   so
      away
      in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
      Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down
   his
      property
      with his garden hose.
      Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
      appears to
      be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he
   did
      post
      about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
      Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They
      have a
      large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to
   be
     moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if
   they
      have
      evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
      their only
      collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
      Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
      who
      literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye...:<(
      Mike
   ------------------------------
   Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:32:48 -0400
   From: "Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
   To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <3C82A56965774592BE06F02FAFCB738F at LarryPCHP>
   Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="us-ascii"
   Mike,
    I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the
   fires. I
   know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories
   attached
   to that stuff too.
   Few things as devastating in life as this.
   God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.
   Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd
   give
   an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east
   from
   the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
   fire
   is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
   smack in
   the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   literally only
   one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to
   normally
   open
   his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom
   Leonard,
   lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him at
   the
   Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   Pantera. He
   was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   immediately.
     He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.   They
   then
   went
   back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
   and
   it
   seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
   side
   of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small valley
   and
   his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
   a
   steep
   hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The
   fires
   are
   generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
   be
   spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
   away
   in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   property
   with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They
   have a
   large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
   moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if they
   have
   evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their
   only
   collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(
   Mike
   ------------------------------
   Message: 10
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:03:29 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <5F0FD259-9208-4664-AF5A-87717124DFF9 at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain;        charset=us-ascii
   We are getting a lot of help. Driving on the freeway just now I was
   passed by a convoy of 4x4 fire trucks from Eugene Oregon racing towards
   the fire
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 10:32, Larry-Ohio Time Corp
   <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
   >
   > Mike,
   >
   > I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the
   fires. I
   > know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories
   attached
   > to that stuff too.
   >
   > Few things as devastating in life as this.
   >
   > God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.
   >
   > Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
   > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   >
   > All,
   >
   > I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   > the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd
   > give
   > an update to everyone.
   >
   > The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by
   the
   > blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east
   > from
   > the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so
   the fire
   >
   > is burning away from us.
   >
   > There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   > to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
   smack in
   > the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   > of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   > notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   > literally only
   > one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to
   normally
   > open
   > his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   > away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   > big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   >
   > Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   > symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom
   > Leonard,
   > lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   > north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him at
   the
   > Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   > Pantera. He
   > was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   > immediately.
   >  He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   > Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.   They
   then
   > went
   > back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   > them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps
   constantly, and
   > it
   > seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the
   east side
   >
   > of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small valley
   and
   > his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there
   is a
   > steep
   > hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
   > on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   > from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The
   fires
   > are
   > generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home
   will be
   > spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   >
   > Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   > Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or
   so away
   > in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   > Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   > property
   > with his garden hose.
   >
   > Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   > be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   > about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >
   > Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They
   have a
   > large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to
   be
   > moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if
   they have
   > evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their
   > only
   > collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   >
   > Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   > literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(
   >
   > Mike
   >
   >
   >
   ------------------------------
   Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:34:58 -0500
   From: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
   To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID:
           <2DD401F8-5A0B-4466-8C6F-02E1533F59B5 at scottmeadphotography.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain;        charset=utf-8
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers
   and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their
   car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about
   our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
   would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
   > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >>  All,
   >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by
   the
   >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north
   to
   >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
   >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
   >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power
   was
   >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and
   all
   >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
   >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
   >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
   >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
   >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of
   you
   >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
   GT
   >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
   >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
   >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
   >>  from certain.
   >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him,
   he
   >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and
   was
   >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
   >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
   >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   >>  they would do so).
   >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   >>  Mike
   >> _______________________________________________
   >>
   >>
   >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >> DeTomaso mailing list
   >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >>
   >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use
   >> the links above.
   >>
   >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
   >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list.
   >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or
   >> approve the archiving of list messages.
   >
   >
   > _______________________________________________
   >
   >
   > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   > DeTomaso mailing list
   > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >
   > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   >
   > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >
   ------------------------------
   Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:00:06 +0000 (UTC)
   From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
           "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <714028579.6084652.1507748406678 at mail.yahoo.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning
   and?there are a lot of?untouched houses next to houses burned to the
   ground.? I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the
   attic are the difference.? It's probably a good idea to make sure there
   are no openings allowing the embers in.
   Ken
         From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
    Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

   ? All,
   ? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   ? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   ? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   ? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is indicated by
   the
   ? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   ? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   ? south so the fire is burning away from us.
   ? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   ? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   ? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   ? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him; somehow he
   ? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   ? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His power was
   ? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   ? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home, and all
   ? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   ? reduced to ashes. :<(
   ? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   ? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new owner,
   ? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   ? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.? Many of
   you
   ? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
   ? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   ? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   ? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   ? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   ? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.? We
   ? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   ? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
   ? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   ? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   ? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   ? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   ? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   ? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   ? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
   ? from certain.
   ? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   ? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   ? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with him, he
   ? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   ? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   ? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   ? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   ? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   ? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.? They
   ? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   ? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.? I don't
   ? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   ? (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   ? they would do so).
   ? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   ? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   ? Mike
   _______________________________________________
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.

   -------------- next part --------------
      We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this
   morning
      and there are a lot of untouched houses next to houses burned to the
      ground.  I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the
      attic are the difference.  It's probably a good idea to make sure
   there
      are no openings allowing the embers in.
      Ken
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
      Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
        All,
        I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
        about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
        thought I'd give an update to everyone.
        The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by
      the
        blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
        east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north
   to
        south so the fire is burning away from us.
        There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
        affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
      house
        was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
        (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
        missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
      Monday
        morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power
   was
        out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
      jumped
        in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and
   all
        their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
        reduced to ashes. :<(
        Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
        fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
        Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
        runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many
   of
      you
        met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
   GT
        instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning
      and
        ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT
      and
        their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
      well
       away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
        the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.
   We
        have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though
      the
        'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road
      is
        approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
   house
      is
        on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
      hill
        with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
      just
        on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
        yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
        The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
      that
        his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
        from certain.
        Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
        side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires,
   a
        mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him,
   he
      had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
        hosing down his property with his garden hose.
        Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
        appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
        although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
        Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
        have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
        seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I
   don't
     know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
        (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
        they would do so).
        Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
        who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
        Mike
      _______________________________________________
      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
      Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list
      [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
      use the links above.
      Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
      message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or approve the archiving of list messages.
   References
      1. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ------------------------------
   Message: 13
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:27:15 +0000
   From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry
           Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
           "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <6CC629CC-7B9B-4DF9-BB1B-B91CBE1EB6AC at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   ??

   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
       Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.

       Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.

       It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).

       Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.

       Scott & Debi Mead

       Sent from my iPhone

       > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
       >
       > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
   about our
       > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
       > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
       > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
       > Larry Stock
       >
       > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
       > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
       > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       >
       >>  All,
       >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
       >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
       >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
       >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated
   by the
       >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
       >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
       >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
    >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
       >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
       >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
       >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
       >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
       >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
   power was
       >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
       >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
   and all
       >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
       >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
       >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
       >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
       >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
       >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
       >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
       >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
       >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
       >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
       >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
       >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.
    We
       >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
       >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
       >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
       >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
       >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
       >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
       >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
       >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
       >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
       >>  from certain.
       >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
       >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
       >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
   him, he
       >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
       >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
       >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
       >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
       >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
       >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
       >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
       >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I
   don't
       >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
       >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
       >>  they would do so).
       >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
       >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
       >>  Mike
       >> _______________________________________________
       >>
       >>
       >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
       >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
       >> DeTomaso mailing list
       >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
       >>
       >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use
       >> the links above.
       >>
       >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any
       >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   the list.
       >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or
       >> approve the archiving of list messages.
       >
    >
       > _______________________________________________
       >
       >
       > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
       > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
       > DeTomaso mailing list
       > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
       >
       > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
       >
       > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
       >

       _______________________________________________


       Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list
       DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

       To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.

       Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   ------------------------------
   Message: 14
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:38:48 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead
           Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock
           <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
           "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID:
           <MWHPR1801MB187060484A5A253A96C32A39954A0 at MWHPR1801MB1870.nampr
   d18.prod.outlook.com>

   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   ??
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
       Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
       Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
       It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
       Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
       Scott & Debi Mead
       Sent from my iPhone
       > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
       >
       > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
   about our
       > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
       > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
       > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
       > Larry Stock
       >
       > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
    > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
       > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       >
       >>  All,
       >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
       >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
       >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
       >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated
   by the
       >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
       >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
       >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
    >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
       >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
       >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
       >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
       >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
       >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
   power was
       >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
       >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
   and all
       >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
       >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
       >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
       >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
       >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
       >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
       >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
       >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
       >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
       >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
       >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
       >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.
    We
       >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
       >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
       >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
       >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
       >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
       >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
       >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
       >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
       >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
       >>  from certain.
       >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
       >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
       >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
   him, he
       >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
       >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
       >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
       >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
       >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
       >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
       >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
       >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I
   don't
       >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
       >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
       >>  they would do so).
       >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
       >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
       >>  Mike
       >> _______________________________________________
       >>
       >>
       >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
       >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
       >> DeTomaso mailing list
       >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   DeTomaso Info
   Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   server.detomasolist.com
   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
       >>
       >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use
       >> the links above.
       >>
       >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any
       >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   the list.
       >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or
       >> approve the archiving of list messages.
       >
       >
       > _______________________________________________
       >
       >
       > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
       > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
       > DeTomaso mailing list
       > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   DeTomaso Info
   Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   server.detomasolist.com
   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
       >
       > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
       >
       > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
      >
       _______________________________________________
       Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list
       DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
       http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   DeTomaso Info
   Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   server.detomasolist.com
   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
       To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
       Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   _______________________________________________
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   DeTomaso Info
   Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   server.detomasolist.com
   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   -------------- next part --------------
      Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
      policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
   of
      your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
      furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
      valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
   replacement
      value with the run of the mill insurers.
      As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
      have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
   prepare
      such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
   I've
      collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
   to
      remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
      Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
      Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
      To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
      Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
      Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
      Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a
   written
      report done by qualified agent,
      who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as
      you add things (like we
      all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
      (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
      "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
       stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
      Terry W. Himes
      JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
      Dawn Spacecraft Team
      Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
      Phone: (818) 393-6261
      Cell:     (818) 653-8213
      thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
      On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
   Photography"
      <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
      scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
          Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
      brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
      loses their car due to a natural disaster.
       Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
      increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
      address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
      agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
      Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
      details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
      the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
      that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
          It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
   (disasters
      strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
   what I
      have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
         Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
          Scott & Debi Mead
          Sent from my iPhone
          > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
      <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
          >
          > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
   wondering
      about our
          > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
      especially
       > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
      what would
    > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
          > Larry Stock
          >
          > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
      DeTomaso"
          > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
          > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
          >
          >>  All,
          >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
     concerned
          >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
   house,
      so I
          >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
          >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is
   indicated
      by the
        >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
      miles
       >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
      north to
      >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
          >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
   have
      been
          >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
      his house
          >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa
      Rosa
          >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him;
   somehow
      he
          >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m.
      Monday
    >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
      power was
      >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
      jumped
    >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
      and all
     >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
      were
         >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
          >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a
      round
          >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another
   new
      owner,
          >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road
      that
          >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
      Many of you
          >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
   his
      Ford GT
          >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
      morning and
       >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
      GT and
    >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
      but well
          >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
      retrieve
          >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
      returning.  We
          >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
      though the
          >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
   the
      road is
          >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and
   his
      house is
          >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
      steep hill
          >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
   fire
      is just
          >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
      hundred
          >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
   his
      home.
          >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
      possible that
          >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
   that
      is FAR
          >>  from certain.
          >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
      eastern
          >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
      fires, a
          >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
      him, he
          >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
      and was
          >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
          >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
      and
          >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
      phone,
          >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
          >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
   29.
      They
          >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but
      it
          >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
    I
      don't
          >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
      Pantera
          >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly
      hope
          >>  they would do so).
          >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike
      Russo
          >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
      eyea|:<(
          >>  Mike
          >> _______________________________________________
          >>
          >>
          >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
          >> DeTomaso mailing list
          >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          >> [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [2]DeTomaso Info Page
      server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          >>
          >> To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
      etc.) use
     >> the links above.
          >>
          >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
      forward any
          >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
      the list.
          >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or
          >> approve the archiving of list messages.
          >
          >
          > _______________________________________________
          >
          >
          > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
          > DeTomaso mailing list
          > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          > [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [4]DeTomaso Info Page
      server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          >
          > To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
      etc.) use the links above.
          >
          > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
      forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future
   members
      of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   an
      archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
          >
          _______________________________________________
          Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
          DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [6]DeTomaso Info Page
      server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
      etc.) use the links above.
          Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward
      any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
    or approve the archiving of list messages.
      _______________________________________________
      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
      Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list
      DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [8]DeTomaso Info Page
      server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
      To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
      use the links above.
      Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
      message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or approve the archiving of list messages.
   References
      1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ------------------------------
   Message: 15
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:07:05 +0000 (UTC)
   From: Dennis Valdez <sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,  "Himes, Terry (397C)"
           <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>,  Scott Mead Photography
           <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>,  Larry Stock
           <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
           "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <771130712.36164.1507752425860 at mail.yahoo.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Thank you Mike,
   This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area.? We had a
   beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak.? We noticed how
   unusually strong the wind was that day.? Sunday evening went to bed
   after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm.?
   ?By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.?
   These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.??
   God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first
   responders trying to get a handle on this beast.
       On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

    ? Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   ? policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   ? your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   ? furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   ? valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   ? value with the run of the mill insurers.
   ? As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   ? have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
   prepare
   ? such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   ? collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
   to
   ? remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   ? Julian
   ? ? __________________________________________________________________
   ? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of
   ? Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   ? Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   ? To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   ? Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   ? Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!? Thanks Scott.
   ? Video is a great idea.? I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   ? report done by qualified agent,
   ? who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as
   ? you add things (like we
   ? all do) to your car.? Going to do a video tonight.
   ? (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   ? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   ? ? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   ? Terry W. Himes
   ? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   ? Dawn Spacecraft Team
   ? Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   ? Phone: (818) 393-6261
   ? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213
   ? thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   ? On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   ? <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   ? scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   ? ? ? Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   ? brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   ? loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   ? ? ? Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
   to
   ? increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   ? address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   ? agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   ? Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   ? details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   ? the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   ? that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   ? ? ? It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   ? strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what
   I
   ? have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   ? ? ? Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   ? ? ? Scott & Debi Mead
   ? ? ? Sent from my iPhone
   ? ? ? > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   ? <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
   wondering
   ? about our
   ? ? ? > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   ? especially
   ? ? ? > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   ? what would
   ? ? ? > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   ? ? ? > Larry Stock
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   ? DeTomaso"
   ? ? ? > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   ? ? ? > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? >>? All,
   ? ? ? >>? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   ? concerned
   ? ? ? >>? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   ? so I
   ? ? ? >>? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   ? ? ? >>? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is
   indicated
   ? by the
   ? ? ? >>? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   ? miles
   ? ? ? >>? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   ? north to
   ? ? ? >>? south so the fire is burning away from us.
   ? ? ? >>? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   ? been
   ? ? ? >>? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   ? his house
   ? ? ? >>? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa
   ? Rosa
   ? ? ? >>? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him;
   somehow
   ? he
   ? ? ? >>? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m.
   ? Monday
   ? ? ? >>? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His
   ? power was
   ? ? ? >>? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
   they
   ? jumped
   ? ? ? >>? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home,
   ? and all
   ? ? ? >>? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   ? were
   ? ? ? >>? reduced to ashes. :<(
   ? ? ? >>? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a
   ? round
   ? ? ? >>? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new
   ? owner,
   ? ? ? >>? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road
   ? that
   ? ? ? >>? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   ? Many of you
   ? ? ? >>? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   ? Ford GT
   ? ? ? >>? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   ? morning and
   ? ? ? >>? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the
   Ford
   ? GT and
   ? ? ? >>? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
   away
   ? but well
   ? ? ? >>? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to
   ? retrieve
   ? ? ? >>? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   ? returning.? We
   ? ? ? >>? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   ? though the
   ? ? ? >>? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
   the
   ? road is
   ? ? ? >>? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his
   ? house is
   ? ? ? >>? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   ? steep hill
   ? ? ? >>? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
   fire
   ? is just
   ? ? ? >>? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   ? hundred
   ? ? ? >>? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   ? home.
   ? ? ? >>? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   ? possible that
   ? ? ? >>? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
   that
   ? is FAR
   ? ? ? >>? from certain.
   ? ? ? >>? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   ? eastern
   ? ? ? >>? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   ? fires, a
   ? ? ? >>? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with
   ? him, he
   ? ? ? >>? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   ? and was
   ? ? ? >>? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   ? ? ? >>? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   ? and
   ? ? ? >>? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   ? phone,
   ? ? ? >>? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   ? ? ? >>? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   ? They
   ? ? ? >>? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but
   ? it
   ? ? ? >>? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.?
   I
   ? don't
   ? ? ? >>? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   ? Pantera
   ? ? ? >>? (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly
   ? hope
   ? ? ? >>? they would do so).
   ? ? ? >>? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike
   ? Russo
   ? ? ? >>? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   ? eyea|:<(
   ? ? ? >>? Mike
   ? ? ? >> _______________________________________________
   ? ? ? >>
   ? ? ? >>
   ? ? ? >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   ? ? ? >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   ? ? ? >> DeTomaso mailing list
   ? ? ? >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   ? ? ? >> [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? [2]DeTomaso Info Page
   ? server.detomasolist.com
   ? This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   ? discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   ? unmoderated mailing list ...
   ? ? ? >>
   ? ? ? >> To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
   ? etc.) use
   ? ? ? >> the links above.
   ? ? ? >>
   ? ? ? >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   ? forward any
   ? ? ? >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   ? the list.
   ? ? ? >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
   ? or
   ? ? ? >> approve the archiving of list messages.
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? > _______________________________________________
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   ? ? ? > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   ? ? ? > DeTomaso mailing list
   ? ? ? > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   ? ? ? > [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? [4]DeTomaso Info Page
   ? server.detomasolist.com
   ? This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   ? discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   ? unmoderated mailing list ...
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   ? etc.) use the links above.
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   ? forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future
   members
   ? of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   ? archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? _______________________________________________
   ? ? ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   ? ? ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   ? ? ? DeTomaso mailing list
   ? ? ? DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   ? ? ? [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? [6]DeTomaso Info Page
   ? server.detomasolist.com
   ? This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   ? discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   ? unmoderated mailing list ...
   ? ? ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   ? etc.) use the links above.
   ? ? ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward
   ? any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   the
   ? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
   ? or approve the archiving of list messages.
   ? _______________________________________________
   ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   ? DeTomaso mailing list
   ? DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   ? [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? [8]DeTomaso Info Page
   ? server.detomasolist.com
   ? This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   ? discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   ? unmoderated mailing list ...
   ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   ? use the links above.
   ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
   ? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   ? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
   ? or approve the archiving of list messages.
   References
   ? 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   ? 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   _______________________________________________
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.

   |  | Virus-free. www.avast.com  |
   -------------- next part --------------
      Thank you Mike,
      This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area.  We had a
      beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak.  We noticed how
      unusually strong the wind was that day.  Sunday evening went to bed
      after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about
   10pm.
       By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.
      These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.
      God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first
      responders trying to get a handle on this beast.
      On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift
      <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
       Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
        policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
   of
        your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
        furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
        valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
   replacement
        value with the run of the mill insurers.
        As most of my early career was international assignments we used
   to
        have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
      prepare
        such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
   I've
        collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for
   me
      to
        remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
        Julian

   __________________________________________________________________
        From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
      behalf of
        Himes, Terry (397C) <[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
        Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
        To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
        Cc: [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
        Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
        Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a
   written
        report done by qualified agent,
        who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to
   update
      as
        you add things (like we
        all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
        (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
        "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
          stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
        Terry W. Himes
        JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
        Dawn Spacecraft Team
        Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
        Phone: (818) 393-6261
        Cell:    (818) 653-8213
        [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
        On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
   Photography"
        <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
        [7]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
            Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
        brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone
   who
        loses their car due to a natural disaster.
            Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier
   (Grundy)
      to
        increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
        address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car,
   the
        agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
        Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
       details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've
   documented
        the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a
   relative
        that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
            It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
   (disasters
        strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
   what
      I
        have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
            Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
            Scott & Debi Mead
            Sent from my iPhone
            > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
        <[8]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
            >
            > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
      wondering
        about our
            > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
        especially
     > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
        what would
            > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
        > Larry Stock
            >
            > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
        DeTomaso"
            > <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
            > [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
            >
            >>  All,
       >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
        concerned
      >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
        so I
      >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
            >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is
      indicated
        by the
            >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about
   12
        miles
            >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted
   from
        north to
        >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
            >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
   have
        been
            >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner,
   and
        his house
            >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
      Santa
        Rosa
    >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him;
      somehow
        he
            >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
      a.m.
        Monday
            >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
        power was
            >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
      they
        jumped
            >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their
   home,
        and all
            >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block
   Pantera,
        were
            >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
            >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires
   with
      a
        round
            >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another
   new
        owner,
            >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
      road
        that
            >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
        Many of you
      >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
        Ford GT
            >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
      morning and
            >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the
      Ford
        GT and
            >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
      away
        but well
            >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup
   to
        retrieve
            >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
        returning.  We
            >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems
   as
        though the
          >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
      the
        road is
            >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and
   his
        house is
            >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
   a
        steep hill
            >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
      fire
        is just
            >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
        hundred
            >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
   his
        home.
            >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
        possible that
         >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
      that
        is FAR
            >>  from certain.
            >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on
   the
        eastern
            >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
        fires, a
            >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke
   with
        him, he
            >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a
   getaway,
        and was
            >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
            >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy
   116,
        and
            >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
        phone,
            >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
            >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
   29.
        They
            >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles
   away,
      but
        it
      >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
      I
        don't
            >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
    Pantera
            >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would
      certainly
        hope
            >>  they would do so).
            >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
      Mike
        Russo
            >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
        eyea|:<(
          >>  Mike
            >> _______________________________________________
            >>
            >>
            >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
           >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
            >> DeTomaso mailing list
            >> [11]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
            >>
      [1][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        [2]DeTomaso Info Page
        server.detomasolist.com
        This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
        discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
        unmoderated mailing list ...
            >>
            >> To manage your subscription (change email address,
      unsubscribe,
        etc.) use
            >> the links above.
           >>
            >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
        forward any
            >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
        the list.
            >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
      archive
        or
            >> approve the archiving of list messages.
            >
            >
            > _______________________________________________
            >
            >
           > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
            > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
            > DeTomaso mailing list
            > [13]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
            >
   [3][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        [4]DeTomaso Info Page
        server.detomasolist.com
        This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
        discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
        unmoderated mailing list ...
            >
            > To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
        etc.) use the links above.
            >
            > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
        forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future
      members
        of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   an
        archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
            >
            _______________________________________________
            Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
            Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
         DeTomaso mailing list
            [15]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com

   [5][16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        [6]DeTomaso Info Page
        server.detomasolist.com
        This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
        discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
        unmoderated mailing list ...
            To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
     etc.) use the links above.
            Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
      forward
        any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
      the
        list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
      archive
        or approve the archiving of list messages.
        _______________________________________________
        Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
        Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
        [17]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
        [7][18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        [8]DeTomaso Info Page
        server.detomasolist.com
        This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
        discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
        unmoderated mailing list ...
        To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
        use the links above.
        Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
      any
        message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
        list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
      archive
        or approve the archiving of list messages.
      References
        1. [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        2. [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        3. [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        4. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        5. [23]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        6. [24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        7. [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
        8. [26]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      _______________________________________________
      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
      Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list
      [27]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      [28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
      use the links above.
      Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
      message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or approve the archiving of list messages.
      Virus-free. [29]www.avast.com
   References
      Visible links
      1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
      2. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
      3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
      4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
      6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
      7. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
      8. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
      9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     27. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     29.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link
    Hidden links:
     31.
   https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_ca
   mpaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon
    32.
   file://localhost/tmp/tmpTfag9j.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF
   2
   ------------------------------
   Message: 16
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:58:20 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <4650A714-9F3F-44E6-8C34-BFD402CFCE1D at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Julian,
   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   >
   >
   > As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   >
   >
   > Julian
   >
   > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   > To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   > Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   >
   > Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
   >
   > Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   > who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as you add things (like we
   > all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
   >
   > (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   >
   >
   >
   > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >
   > Terry W. Himes
   > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   > Dawn Spacecraft Team
   > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   > Phone: (818) 393-6261
   > Cell:  (818) 653-8213
   > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   > ??
   >
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   >
   >     Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   >
   >     Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
   to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   >
   >     It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   >
   >     Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   >
   >     Scott & Debi Mead
   >
   >     Sent from my iPhone
   >
   >     > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >     >
   >     > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
   about our
   >     > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   >     > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
   >     > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   >     > Larry Stock
   >     >
   >     > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
   >     > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   >     > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >     >
   >     >>  All,
   >     >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
   >     >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
   >     >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >     >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is
   indicated by the
   >     >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
   >     >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >     >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >     >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
   >     >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
   >     >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa Rosa
   >     >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him;
   somehow he
   >     >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m. Monday
   >     >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
   power was
   >     >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
   they jumped
   >     >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
   and all
   >     >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
   >     >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
   >     >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a round
   >     >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
   >     >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road that
   >     >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
   >     >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
   >     >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
   >   >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
   >    >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
   >   >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >     >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning.  We
   >     >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
   >   >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
   >   >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
   >    >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
   >    >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
   >    >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
   >     >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
   >     >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
   >     >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
   that is FAR
   >     >>  from certain.
   >     >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
   >     >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
   >     >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
   him, he
   >     >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
   >     >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >     >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
   >     >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
   >     >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >   >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
   >     >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but it
   >     >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I
   don't
   >     >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
   >     >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly hope
   >     >>  they would do so).
   >     >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike Russo
   >     >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
   >     >>  Mike
   >     >> _______________________________________________
   >     >>
   >     >>
   >     >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >     >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >     >> DeTomaso mailing list
   >     >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   > DeTomaso Info Page
   > server.detomasolist.com
   > This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   >
   >
   >     >>
   >     >> To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe, etc.) use
   >     >> the links above.
   >     >>
   >     >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any
   >     >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   the list.
   >     >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive or
   >     >> approve the archiving of list messages.
   >   >
   >     >
   >     > _______________________________________________
   >     >
   >     >
   >     > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >     > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >     > DeTomaso mailing list
   >     > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   > DeTomaso Info Page
   > server.detomasolist.com
   > This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   >
   >
   >     >
   >     > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
   >     >
   >     > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >     >
   >
   >     _______________________________________________
   >
   >
   >     Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >     DeTomaso mailing list
   >     DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >     http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   > DeTomaso Info Page
   > server.detomasolist.com
   > This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   >
   >
   >
   >     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
   >
   >     Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >
   > _______________________________________________
   >
   >
   > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   > DeTomaso mailing list
   > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   > DeTomaso Info Page
   > server.detomasolist.com
   > This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   >
   >
   >
   > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   >
   > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   -------------- next part --------------
      Julian,
      Another important point: unless you have special riders on your
   policy,
      normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from
   homeowners
      insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate,
   besides
      important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
      jewelry....
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
      On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      wrote:
      Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
      policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
   of
      your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
      furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
      valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
   replacement
      value with the run of the mill insurers.
      As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
      have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
   prepare
      such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
   I've
      collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
   to
      remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
      of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
      Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
      To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
      Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
      Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
      Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a
   written
      report done by qualified agent,
      who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as
      you add things (like we
      all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
      (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
      "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
       stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
      Terry W. Himes
      JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
      Dawn Spacecraft Team
      Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
      Phone: (818) 393-6261
      Cell:     (818) 653-8213
      [6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
      On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
   Photography"
      <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
      [8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
          Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
      brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
      loses their car due to a natural disaster.
       Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
      increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
      address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
      agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
      Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
      details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
      the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
      that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
          It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
   (disasters
      strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
   what I
      have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
         Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
          Scott & Debi Mead
          Sent from my iPhone
          > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
      <[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
          >
          > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
   wondering
      about our
          > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
      especially
     > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
      what would
    > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
          > Larry Stock
          >
          > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
      DeTomaso"
          > <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
          > [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
          >
     >>  All,
          >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
     concerned
          >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
   house,
      so I
          >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
          >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is
   indicated
      by the
        >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
      miles
       >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
      north to
      >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
          >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
   have
      been
          >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
      his house
          >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa
      Rosa
          >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him;
   somehow
      he
          >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m.
      Monday
    >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
      power was
      >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
      jumped
    >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
      and all
     >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
      were
         >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
          >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a
      round
          >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another
   new
      owner,
          >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road
      that
          >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
      Many of you
          >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
   his
      Ford GT
          >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
      morning and
       >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
      GT and
    >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
      but well
          >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
      retrieve
          >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
      returning.  We
          >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
      though the
          >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
   the
      road is
          >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and
   his
      house is
          >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
      steep hill
          >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
   fire
      is just
          >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
      hundred
          >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
   his
      home.
          >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
      possible that
          >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
   that
      is FAR
          >>  from certain.
          >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
      eastern
          >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
      fires, a
          >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
      him, he
          >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
      and was
          >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
          >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
      and
          >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
      phone,
          >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
          >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
   29.
      They
          >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but
      it
          >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
    I
      don't
          >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
      Pantera
          >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly
      hope
          >>  they would do so).
          >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike
      Russo
          >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
      eyea|:<(
          >>  Mike
          >> _______________________________________________
          >>
          >>
          >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
          >> DeTomaso mailing list
          >> [12]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          >> [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [14]DeTomaso Info Page
      [15]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          >>
          >> To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
      etc.) use
     >> the links above.
          >>
          >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
      forward any
          >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
      the list.
          >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or
          >> approve the archiving of list messages.
          >
          >
          > _______________________________________________
          >
          >
          > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
          > DeTomaso mailing list
          > [16]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          > [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [18]DeTomaso Info Page
      [19]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          >
          > To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
      etc.) use the links above.
          >
          > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
      forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future
   members
      of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   an
      archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
          >
          _______________________________________________
          Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
          [20]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [22]DeTomaso Info Page
      [23]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
      etc.) use the links above.
          Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward
      any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
    or approve the archiving of list messages.
      _______________________________________________
      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
      Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list
      [24]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [26]DeTomaso Info Page
      [27]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
      To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
      use the links above.
      Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
      message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or approve the archiving of list messages.
   References
      1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
      2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
      3. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
      4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
      5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      6. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
      7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
      8. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
      9. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
     10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     12. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     15. http://server.detomasolist.com/
     16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     19. http://server.detomasolist.com/
     20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     23. http://server.detomasolist.com/
     24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     27. http://server.detomasolist.com/
   ------------------------------
   Message: 17
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:06:12 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID:
           <MWHPR1801MB1870723EA3C21DAAD9A23B6F954A0 at MWHPR1801MB1870.nampr
   d18.prod.outlook.com>

   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
   and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
   well prepared with!
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
   To: Julian Kift
   Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Julian,
   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
   r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C)
   <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   m>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   ??
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
   r.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   scott at scottmeadphotography.com<mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>>
   wrote:
       Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
       Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
       It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
       Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
       Scott & Debi Mead
       Sent from my iPhone
       > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>> wrote:
       >
       > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
   about our
       > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
       > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
       > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
       > Larry Stock
       >
       > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
       >
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
   r.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
       >
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   m>> wrote:
       >
       >>  All,
       >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
       >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
       >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
       >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated
   by the
       >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
       >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
       >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
       >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
       >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
       >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
       >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
       >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
       >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
   power was
       >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
       >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
   and all
       >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
       >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
       >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
       >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
       >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
       >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
       >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
       >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
       >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
       >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
       >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
       >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.
    We
       >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
       >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
       >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
       >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
       >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
       >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
       >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
       >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
       >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
       >>  from certain.
       >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
       >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
       >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
   him, he
       >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
       >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
       >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
       >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
       >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
       >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
       >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
       >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I
   don't
       >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
       >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
       >>  they would do so).
       >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
       >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
       >>  Mike
       >> _______________________________________________
       >>
       >>
       >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
       >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
       >> DeTomaso mailing list
       >>
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   m>
       >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   DeTomaso Info
   Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com>
   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
       >>
       >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use
       >> the links above.
       >>
       >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any
       >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   the list.
       >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or
       >> approve the archiving of list messages.
       >
       >
       > _______________________________________________
       >
       >
       > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
       > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
       > DeTomaso mailing list
       >
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   m>
       > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   DeTomaso Info
   Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com>
   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
       >
       > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
       >
       > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
      >
       _______________________________________________
       Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
       Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list

   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   m>
       http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   DeTomaso Info
   Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com>
   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
       To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
       Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   _______________________________________________
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.co
   m>
   http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   DeTomaso Info
   Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso>
   server.detomasolist.com<http://server.detomasolist.com>
   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   -------------- next part --------------
      Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a
   'grab
      and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori
   is
      well prepared with!
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
      To: Julian Kift
      Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
      detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
      Julian,
      Another important point: unless you have special riders on your
   policy,
      normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from
   homeowners
      insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate,
   besides
      important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
      jewelry....
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
     On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      wrote:
      Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
      policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
   of
      your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
      furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
      valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
   replacement
      value with the run of the mill insurers.
      As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
      have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
   prepare
      such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
   I've
      collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
   to
      remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
      of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
      Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
      To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
      Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
      Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
      Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a
   written
      report done by qualified agent,
      who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as
      you add things (like we
      all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
      (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
      "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
       stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
      Terry W. Himes
      JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
      Dawn Spacecraft Team
      Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
      Phone: (818) 393-6261
      Cell:     (818) 653-8213
      [6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
      On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
   Photography"
      <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
      [8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
          Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
      brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
      loses their car due to a natural disaster.
       Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
      increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
      address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
      agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
      Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
      details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
      the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
      that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
          It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
   (disasters
      strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
   what I
      have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
         Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
          Scott & Debi Mead
          Sent from my iPhone
          > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
      <[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
          >
          > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
   wondering
      about our
          > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
      especially
     > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
      what would
    > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
          > Larry Stock
          >
          > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
      DeTomaso"
          > <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
          > [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
          >
     >>  All,
          >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
     concerned
          >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
   house,
      so I
          >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
          >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is
   indicated
      by the
        >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
      miles
       >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
      north to
      >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
          >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
   have
      been
          >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
      his house
          >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa
      Rosa
          >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him;
   somehow
      he
          >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m.
      Monday
    >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
      power was
      >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
      jumped
    >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
      and all
     >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
      were
         >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
          >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a
      round
          >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another
   new
      owner,
          >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road
      that
          >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
      Many of you
          >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
   his
      Ford GT
          >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
      morning and
       >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
      GT and
    >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
      but well
          >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
      retrieve
          >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
      returning.  We
          >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
      though the
          >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
   the
      road is
          >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and
   his
      house is
          >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
      steep hill
          >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
   fire
      is just
          >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
      hundred
          >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
   his
      home.
          >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
      possible that
          >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
   that
      is FAR
          >>  from certain.
          >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
      eastern
          >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
      fires, a
          >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
      him, he
          >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
      and was
          >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
          >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
      and
          >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
      phone,
          >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
          >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
   29.
      They
          >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but
      it
          >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
    I
      don't
          >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
      Pantera
          >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly
      hope
          >>  they would do so).
          >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike
      Russo
          >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
      eyea|:<(
          >>  Mike
          >> _______________________________________________
          >>
          >>
          >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
          >> DeTomaso mailing list
          >> [12]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          >> [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [14]DeTomaso Info Page
      [15]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          >>
          >> To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
      etc.) use
     >> the links above.
          >>
          >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
      forward any
          >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
      the list.
          >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or
          >> approve the archiving of list messages.
          >
          >
          > _______________________________________________
          >
          >
          > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
          > DeTomaso mailing list
          > [16]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          > [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [18]DeTomaso Info Page
      [19]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          >
          > To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
      etc.) use the links above.
          >
          > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
      forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future
   members
      of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   an
      archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
          >
          _______________________________________________
          Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
          [20]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [22]DeTomaso Info Page
      [23]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
      etc.) use the links above.
          Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward
      any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
    or approve the archiving of list messages.
      _______________________________________________
      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
      Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list
      [24]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [26]DeTomaso Info Page
      [27]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
      To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
      use the links above.
      Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
      message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or approve the archiving of list messages.
   References
      1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
      2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
      3. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
      4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
      5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      6. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
      7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
      8. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
      9. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
     10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     12. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     15. http://server.detomasolist.com/
     16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     19. http://server.detomasolist.com/
     20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     23. http://server.detomasolist.com/
     24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     27. http://server.detomasolist.com/
   ------------------------------
   Message: 18
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:49:51 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <C44AE8CB-8C60-46D7-865B-96A3459D0B1B at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a
   concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the
   house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc)
   into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so
   I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would
   be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum
   of treated water too.
   Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars,
   water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from
   home.
   But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to
   undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street
   and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the
   garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often
   than not).
   You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first
   time when flames are licking against your fences!
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
   and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
   well prepared with!
   >
   >
   > Julian
   >
   > From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
   > To: Julian Kift
   > Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   >
   > Julian,
   >
   > Another important point: unless you have special riders on your
   policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from
   homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people
   evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take
   their guns and jewelry....
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   >>
   >>
   >> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   >>
   >>
   >> Julian
   >>
   >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   >> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   >> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   >> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   >>
   >> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
   >>
   >> Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a
   written report done by qualified agent,
   >> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as you add things (like we
   >> all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
   >>
   >> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >>  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >>
   >> Terry W. Himes
   >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >> Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >> Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   >> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >> ??
   >>
   >>
   >> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
   Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   >>
   >>     Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   >>
   >>     Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
   to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   >>
   >>     It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
   (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows
   exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God
   forbid).
   >>
   >>     Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   >>
   >>     Scott & Debi Mead
   >>
   >>     Sent from my iPhone
   >>
   >>     > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >>     >
   >>     > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been
   wondering about our
   >>    > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   >>    > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
   >>   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   >>     > Larry Stock
   >>     >
   >>     > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
   >>     > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   >>     > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>     >
   >>     >>  All,
   >>     >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
   >>     >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
   house, so I
   >>     >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >>     >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is
   indicated by the
   >>     >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about
   12 miles
   >>     >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >>     >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >>     >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
   have been
   >>     >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
   >>     >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa Rosa
   >>     >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him;
   somehow he
   >>     >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m. Monday
   >>     >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
   power was
   >>     >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
   they jumped
   >>     >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their
   home, and all
   >>     >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
   >>     >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
   >>     >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a round
   >>     >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another
   new owner,
   >>     >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road that
   >>     >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
   >>     >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
   his Ford GT
   >>     >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
   >>     >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the
   Ford GT and
   >>     >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
   away but well
   >>     >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >>     >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning.  We
   >>     >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
   >>     >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
   the road is
   >>     >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and
   his house is
   >>   >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
   >>   >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
   >>   >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
   >>     >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
   his home.
   >>     >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
   >>  >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
   >>    >>  from certain.
   >>     >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
   >>     >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
   >>     >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
   him, he
   >>     >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
   >>     >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >>     >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
   >>     >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
   >>     >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
   >>     >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but it
   >>     >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
    I don't
   >>     >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
   >>     >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly hope
   >>     >>  they would do so).
   >>     >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike Russo
   >>     >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
   >>     >>  Mike
   >>     >> _______________________________________________
   >>     >>
   >>     >>
   >>     >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >>     >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >>     >> DeTomaso mailing list
   >>     >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>     >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >> DeTomaso Info Page
   >> server.detomasolist.com
   >> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   >>
   >>
   >>     >>
   >>   >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use
   >> >> the links above.
   >>     >>
   >>     >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any
   >>     >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of the list.
   >>     >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive or
   >>     >> approve the archiving of list messages.
   >>     >
   >>     >
   >>     > _______________________________________________
   >>     >
   >>     >
   >>     > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >>     > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >>     > DeTomaso mailing list
   >>     > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>     > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >> DeTomaso Info Page
   >> server.detomasolist.com
   >> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   >>
   >>
   >>     >
   >>    > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
   >>     >
   >>     > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >>     >
   >>
   >>     _______________________________________________
   >>
   >>
   >>     Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >>     Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >>     DeTomaso mailing list
   >>     DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >>     http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >> DeTomaso Info Page
   >> server.detomasolist.com
   >> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >>     To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
   >>
   >>     Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
   >>
   >> _______________________________________________
   >>
   >>
   >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   >> DeTomaso mailing list
   >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >> DeTomaso Info Page
   >> server.detomasolist.com
   >> This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an
   unmoderated mailing list ...
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.) use the links above.
   >>
   >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   -------------- next part --------------
      Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a
      concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the
     house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc)
      into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard,
   so
      I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we
   would
      be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon
   drum
      of treated water too.
      Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola
   bars,
      water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from
     home.
      But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to
      undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the
   street
     and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the
      garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often
      than not).
      You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first
      time when flames are licking against your fences!
      Mike
      Sent from my iPad
      On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
      wrote:
      Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a
   'grab
      and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori
   is
      well prepared with!
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
    To: Julian Kift
      Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
      [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
      Julian,
      Another important point: unless you have special riders on your
   policy,
      normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from
   homeowners
      insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate,
   besides
      important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
      jewelry....
      Mike
      Sent from my iPhone
      On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
    wrote:
      Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
      policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
   of
      your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
      furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
      valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
   replacement
      value with the run of the mill insurers.
      As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
      have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
   prepare
      such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
   I've
      collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
   to
      remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
      Julian
        __________________________________________________________________
      From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
      of Himes, Terry (397C) <[6]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
      Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
      To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
      Cc: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
      Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
      Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a
   written
      report done by qualified agent,
      who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as
      you add things (like we
      all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
      (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
      "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
       stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
      Terry W. Himes
      JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
      Dawn Spacecraft Team
      Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
      Phone: (818) 393-6261
      Cell:     (818) 653-8213
      [9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
      On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
   Photography"
      <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
      [11]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
          Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
      brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
      loses their car due to a natural disaster.
       Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
      increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
      address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
      agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
      Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
      details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
      the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
      that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
          It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
   (disasters
      strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
   what I
      have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
         Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
          Scott & Debi Mead
          Sent from my iPhone
          > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
      <[12]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
          >
          > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
   wondering
      about our
          > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
      especially
     > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
      what would
    > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
          > Larry Stock
          >
          > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
      DeTomaso"
          > <[13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
          > [14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
          >
     >>  All,
          >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
     concerned
          >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
   house,
      so I
          >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
          >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is
   indicated
      by the
        >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
      miles
       >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
      north to
      >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
          >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
   have
      been
          >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
      his house
          >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa
      Rosa
          >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him;
   somehow
      he
          >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m.
      Monday
    >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
      power was
      >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
      jumped
    >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
      and all
     >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
      were
         >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
          >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a
      round
          >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another
   new
      owner,
          >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road
      that
          >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
      Many of you
          >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
   his
      Ford GT
          >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
      morning and
       >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
      GT and
    >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
      but well
          >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
      retrieve
          >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
      returning.  We
          >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
      though the
          >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
   the
      road is
          >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and
   his
      house is
          >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
      steep hill
          >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
   fire
      is just
          >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
      hundred
          >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
   his
      home.
          >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
      possible that
          >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
   that
      is FAR
          >>  from certain.
          >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
      eastern
          >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
      fires, a
          >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
      him, he
          >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
      and was
          >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
          >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
      and
          >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
      phone,
          >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
          >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
   29.
      They
          >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but
      it
          >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
    I
      don't
          >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
      Pantera
          >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly
      hope
          >>  they would do so).
          >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike
      Russo
          >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
      eyea|:<(
          >>  Mike
          >> _______________________________________________
          >>
          >>
          >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
          >> DeTomaso mailing list
          >> [15]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          >> [16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [17]DeTomaso Info Page
      [18]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          >>
          >> To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
      etc.) use
     >> the links above.
          >>
          >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
      forward any
          >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members
   of
      the list.
          >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or
          >> approve the archiving of list messages.
          >
          >
          > _______________________________________________
          >
          >
          > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
          > DeTomaso mailing list
          > [19]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          > [20]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [21]DeTomaso Info Page
      [22]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          >
          > To manage your subscription (change email address,
   unsubscribe,
      etc.) use the links above.
          >
          > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
      forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future
   members
      of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain
   an
      archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
          >
          _______________________________________________
          Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
          Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
        DeTomaso mailing list
          [23]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
          [24]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [25]DeTomaso Info Page
      [26]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
          To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
      etc.) use the links above.
          Members who post to this list grant license to the list to
   forward
      any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of
   the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
    or approve the archiving of list messages.
      _______________________________________________
      Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
      Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
      DeTomaso mailing list
      [27]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      [28]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
      [29]DeTomaso Info Page
      [30]server.detomasolist.com
      This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
      discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
   an
      unmoderated mailing list ...
      To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe,
   etc.)
      use the links above.
      Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any
      message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
      list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an
   archive
      or approve the archiving of list messages.
   References
      1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
      2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
      3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      4. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
     5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
      6. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
      7. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
      8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
     10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     11. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
     12. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
     13. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     14. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     18. http://server.detomasolist.com/
     19. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     22. http://server.detomasolist.com/
     23. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     26. http://server.detomasolist.com/
     27. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
    28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     29. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     30. http://server.detomasolist.com/
   ------------------------------
   Message: 19
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:56:50 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <472099A6-CDF0-498E-BF4B-3DC16B77FDCE at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   All,
   Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed
   in the Santa Rosa fire:
   http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTH
   PNNR05796.asp
   Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles.
   So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at
   Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with
   good reason...it was really a spectacular car.
   Mike
   -------------- next part --------------
      All,
      Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was
   destroyed
      in the Santa Rosa fire:

   [1]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/
      RTHPNNR05796.asp
      Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles.
      So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it
   at
      Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it,
   with
      good reason...it was really a spectacular car.
      Mike
   References
      1.
   http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTH
   PNNR05796.asp
   ------------------------------
   Message: 20
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:52:10 -0400
   From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
   To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Message-ID: <005101d342fc$b8e1e480$2aa5ad80$@jim-kosloskey.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
   floor.  I am indicating my age here.

   We drove mostly 2 lane roads.

   Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
   double
   flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of
   our
   intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
   (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If
   it
   was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn
   signal
   when it was safe.

   This was a common courtesy exchanged then.

   When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
   courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
   signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
   the
   lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
   friends).

   When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
   easier.

   Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.

   I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
   consideration I was raised with.

   Jim Kosloskey
   1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949

   -------------- next part --------------
      Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on
   the
      floor.  I am indicating my age here.
      We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
      Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
      double flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck
     driver of our intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his
      left turn signal (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn
   signal
      if it was not. If it was not safe to pass, then the semi driver
   would
      hit the left turn signal when it was safe.
      This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
      When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
      courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had
   turn
     signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
      the lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family
      and friends).
      When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash
   became
      easier.
      Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too
   slow.
      I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too
   slow. A
      consideration I was raised with.
      Jim Kosloskey
      1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
   ------------------------------
   Message: 21
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:25:46 -0400
   From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Message-ID: <000101d34301$6bbd1b20$43375160$@com>
   Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="us-ascii"
   Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the
   flash to
   indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.
   Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make
   in
   the late 70's
   "break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Jim Kosloskey
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
   floor.  I am indicating my age here.

   We drove mostly 2 lane roads.

   Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
   double
   flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of
   our
   intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
   (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If
   it
   was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn
   signal
   when it was safe.

   This was a common courtesy exchanged then.

   When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
   courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
   signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
   the
   lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
   friends).

   When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
   easier.

   Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.

   I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
   consideration I was raised with.

   Jim Kosloskey
   1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949

   ------------------------------
   Message: 22
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:47:39 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
   Message-ID: <0444732A-B6A0-46D0-853C-B652EDF6EC10 at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain;        charset=us-ascii
   Guys,
   Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow,
   where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now
   safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for
   things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn
   and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my
   uneducated guess is that it will stay that way.
   Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had to
   evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!
   So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate
   danger.  Thank goodness for that!
   Mike
   ------------------------------
   Message: 23
   Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:17:34 -0400
   From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
   To: "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,
           <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Message-ID: <002501d34354$168fe800$43afb800$@jim-kosloskey.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="us-ascii"
   You are right.
   However, I had a trucker friend tell me it was better to just turn on
   and of
   the headlights as the brights could be blinding when the Trucker was
   trying
   to control his rig and check mirrors. I have tried to do that ever
   since.
   Since I have begun driving a 40' Motor Home I can attest to that
   potential
   issue (of course I am not a professional driver).
   I won't be doing that with the Pantera though - but then again I don't
   intend to drive it when headlights are needed.
   I too drove some long interstate miles for a number of years and the
   truckers by and large were very welcome companions.
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:26 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the
   flash to
   indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.
   Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make
   in
   the late 70's
   "break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Jim Kosloskey
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
   floor.  I am indicating my age here.

   We drove mostly 2 lane roads.

   Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
   double
   flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of
   our
   intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
   (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If
   it
   was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn
   signal
   when it was safe.

   This was a common courtesy exchanged then.

   When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
   courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
   signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
   the
   lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
   friends).

   When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
   easier.

   Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.

   I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
   consideration I was raised with.

   Jim Kosloskey
   1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949

   _______________________________________________
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not
   exceed 1.5
   Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use
   the links above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list.
   They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or
   approve
   the archiving of list messages.
   ------------------------------
   Message: 24
   Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:59:49 -0400
   From: MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
   To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
   Message-ID: <913661DD-C233-4CC4-8DDF-4287FE87DEF7 at rogers.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
   Thanks for the updates Mike. It is really appreciated.
   Mark Charlton
   pantera01826 at rogers.com
   > On Oct 12, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   > Guys,
   >
   > Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow,
   where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now
   safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for
   things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn
   and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my
   uneducated guess is that it will stay that way.
   >
   > Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had
   to evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!
   >
   > So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate
   danger.  Thank goodness for that!
   >
   > Mike
   > _______________________________________________
   >
   >
   > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   > DeTomaso mailing list
   > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   >
   > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   >
   > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward
   any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   ------------------------------
   Subject: Digest Footer
   _______________________________________________
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.
   ------------------------------
   End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13
   *****************************************
   _______________________________________________
   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
   DeTomaso mailing list
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
   To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.)
   use the links above.
   Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any
   message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the
   list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive
   or approve the archiving of list messages.


More information about the DeTomaso mailing list