[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13
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Rebuild it, it wouldn't be first Pantera to come back from ashes.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton)
2. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Rob Dumoulin)
3. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors)
4. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton)
5. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors)
6. Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:05:29 -0700
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If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.?? Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068R? These are black and more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.? They hold up better than cork.
To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to the valve cover.? On the other side of the gasket, apply your average Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to spec.? It won't leak, honest.? Then the next time you need to take the valve cover off, it will come off easily.? Clean well, re-apply Vaseline and bolt back down.
Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot running.
Asa
?Asa? Jay? Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
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>give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.?Bud #3400 ( Drive it
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If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute
used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.A A
[1]Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068RA These are black and
more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.A They hold up
better than cork.
To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to
the valve cover.A On the other side of the gasket, apply your average
Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to
spec.A It won't leak, honest.A Then the next time you need to take
the valve cover off, it will come off easily.A Clean well, re-apply
Vaseline and bolt back down.
Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot
running.
Asa
AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
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What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? Please give part
# if known. Thanks for any help here. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tom
orrow -- for there may not be ! )
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I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets. This time
I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle and they
have not leaked since.
Rob
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I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A This
time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
and they have not leaked since.
RobA
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:28:40 -0500
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
David Finley
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> I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A This
> time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
> and they have not leaked since.
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I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
[1]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
David Finley
#3659
I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
This
time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
and they have not leaked since.
RobA
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:54:26 -0700
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.? I may try those on my next build.? Thank you for the link.
Asa
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On Oct 11, 2017, 09:28, at 09:28, MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
>I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
>gaskets.
>Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
>https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
><https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
>David Finley
>#3659
>
>
>
>> I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
>This
>> time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
>middle
>> and they have not leaked since.
>> RobA
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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>> A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the
>Cleveland?
>> Please
>> A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
>> A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
>may
>> not be
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I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.A I may try those on
my next build.A Thank you for the link.
Asa
AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
<[1]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
I use aReal Gasketsa Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
[2]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ <[3]https://realgas
kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
David Finley
#3659
I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
This
time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
and they have not leaked since.
RobA
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:57:55 -0500
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and discuss any questions on the phone.
They enjoy talking with their customers.
Don?t think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro!
David Finley
#3659
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> I like the looks of those, and no sealer required. I may try those on my next build. Thank you for the link.
>
> Asa
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org <mailto:david at msmcontractors.org>> wrote:
> I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets.
> Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
> https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/ <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/>
> David Finley
> #3659
>
>
>
> I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A This
> time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
> and they have not leaked since.
> RobA
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and
discuss any questions on the phone.
They enjoy talking with their customers.
Don't think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro!
David Finley
#3659
On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
I like the looks of those, and no sealer required. I may try those on
my next build. Thank you for the link.
Asa
Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
<[2]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
[3]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ <[4]https://realgas
kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
David Finley
#3659
I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
This
time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
and they have not leaked since.
RobA
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A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
not be
A A ! )
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:08:26 -0400
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd give
an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east from
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire
is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had literally only
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally open
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom Leonard,
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his Pantera. He
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate immediately.
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They then went
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires are
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his property
with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have a
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they have
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their only
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(
Mike
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All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
thought I'd give an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
south so the fire is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
(on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you
met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
hosing down his property with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
(although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:21:20 -0700
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
Larry Stock
On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> All,
> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
> south so the fire is burning away from us.
> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
> reduced to ashes. :<(
> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you
> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
> from certain.
> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
> they would do so).
> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
> Mike
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:22:56 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Mike,
Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our fellow De Tomaso friends.
It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas, such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd give
an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east from
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire
is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had literally only
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally open
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom Leonard,
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his Pantera. He
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate immediately.
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They then went
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires are
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his property
with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have a
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they have
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their only
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(
Mike
-------------- next part --------------
Mike,
Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our
fellow De Tomaso friends.
It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been
able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that
some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen
are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas,
such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
I'd give
an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
east from
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
fire
is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
smack in
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
side
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
literally only
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to
normally open
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
raced
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
fire
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
Leonard,
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at
the
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
Pantera. He
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
immediately.
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
then went
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
prevented
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
and it
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
side
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley
and
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
a steep
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The
fires are
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
be
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
side of
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
away
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
property
with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
post
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
have a
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they
have
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
their only
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
who
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye...:<(
Mike
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:32:48 -0400
From: "Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <3C82A56965774592BE06F02FAFCB738F at LarryPCHP>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Mike,
I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the fires. I
know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories attached
to that stuff too.
Few things as devastating in life as this.
God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.
Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd
give
an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east
from
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire
is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
literally only
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally
open
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
Leonard,
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
Pantera. He
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
immediately.
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They then
went
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and
it
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires
are
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
property
with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have a
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they have
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their
only
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(
Mike
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:03:29 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <5F0FD259-9208-4664-AF5A-87717124DFF9 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
We are getting a lot of help. Driving on the freeway just now I was passed by a convoy of 4x4 fire trucks from Eugene Oregon racing towards the fire
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 10:32, Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the fires. I
> know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories attached
> to that stuff too.
>
> Few things as devastating in life as this.
>
> God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.
>
> Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>
> All,
>
> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about
> the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd
> give
> an update to everyone.
>
> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east
> from
> the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire
>
> is burning away from us.
>
> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected
> to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in
> the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side
> of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
> notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
> literally only
> one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally
> open
> his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced
> away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
> big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
>
> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire
> symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
> Leonard,
> lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
> north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the
> Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
> Pantera. He
> was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
> immediately.
> He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
> Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They then
> went
> back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented
> them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and
> it
> seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side
>
> of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
> his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
> steep
> hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards
> from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires
> are
> generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be
> spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
>
> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of
> Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away
> in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
> Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
> property
> with his garden hose.
>
> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to
> be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post
> about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>
> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have a
> large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
> moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they have
> evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their
> only
> collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
>
> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who
> literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(
>
> Mike
>
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:34:58 -0500
From: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:00:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning and?there are a lot of?untouched houses next to houses burned to the ground.? I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the attic are the difference.? It's probably a good idea to make sure there are no openings allowing the embers in.
Ken
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
? All,
? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is indicated by the
? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
? south so the fire is burning away from us.
? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him; somehow he
? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His power was
? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home, and all
? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
? reduced to ashes. :<(
? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new owner,
? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.? Many of you
? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the Ford GT and
? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.? We
? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his house is
? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
? from certain.
? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with him, he
? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.? They
? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.? I don't
? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
? (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
? they would do so).
? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
? Mike
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We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning
and there are a lot of untouched houses next to houses burned to the
ground. I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the
attic are the difference. It's probably a good idea to make sure there
are no openings allowing the embers in.
Ken
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From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
thought I'd give an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
south so the fire is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
house
was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
(on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
you
met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
and
ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
and
their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
well
away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
the
'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
is
approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
is
on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
hill
with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
that
his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
hosing down his property with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
(although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
Mike
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:27:15 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry
Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
??
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:38:48 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead
Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
??
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:07:05 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dennis Valdez <sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead Photography
<scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <771130712.36164.1507752425860 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Thank you Mike,
This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area.? We had a beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak.? We noticed how unusually strong the wind was that day.? Sunday evening went to bed after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm.? ?By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.? These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.??
God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first responders trying to get a handle on this beast.
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
? Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
? policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
? your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
? furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
? valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
? value with the run of the mill insurers.
? As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
? have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
? such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
? collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
? remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
? Julian
? ? __________________________________________________________________
? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
? Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
? Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
? To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
? Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
? Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!? Thanks Scott.
? Video is a great idea.? I had mine inspected, certified and a written
? report done by qualified agent,
? who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
? you add things (like we
? all do) to your car.? Going to do a video tonight.
? (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
? ? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
? Terry W. Himes
? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
? Dawn Spacecraft Team
? Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
? Phone: (818) 393-6261
? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213
? thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
? On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
? <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
? scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
? ? ? Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
? brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
? loses their car due to a natural disaster.
? ? ? Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
? increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
? address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
? agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
? Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
? details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
? the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
? that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
? ? ? It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
? strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
? have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
? ? ? Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
? ? ? Scott & Debi Mead
? ? ? Sent from my iPhone
? ? ? > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
? <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
? ? ? >
? ? ? > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
? about our
? ? ? > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
? especially
? ? ? > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
? what would
? ? ? > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
? ? ? > Larry Stock
? ? ? >
? ? ? > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
? DeTomaso"
? ? ? > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
? ? ? > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
? ? ? >
? ? ? >>? All,
? ? ? >>? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
? concerned
? ? ? >>? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
? so I
? ? ? >>? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
? ? ? >>? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is indicated
? by the
? ? ? >>? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
? miles
? ? ? >>? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
? north to
? ? ? >>? south so the fire is burning away from us.
? ? ? >>? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
? been
? ? ? >>? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and
? his house
? ? ? >>? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
? Rosa
? ? ? >>? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him; somehow
? he
? ? ? >>? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
? Monday
? ? ? >>? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His
? power was
? ? ? >>? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
? jumped
? ? ? >>? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home,
? and all
? ? ? >>? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
? were
? ? ? >>? reduced to ashes. :<(
? ? ? >>? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
? round
? ? ? >>? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new
? owner,
? ? ? >>? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
? that
? ? ? >>? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
? Many of you
? ? ? >>? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
? Ford GT
? ? ? >>? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
? morning and
? ? ? >>? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the Ford
? GT and
? ? ? >>? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
? but well
? ? ? >>? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to
? retrieve
? ? ? >>? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
? returning.? We
? ? ? >>? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
? though the
? ? ? >>? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
? road is
? ? ? >>? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his
? house is
? ? ? >>? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
? steep hill
? ? ? >>? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
? is just
? ? ? >>? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
? hundred
? ? ? >>? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
? home.
? ? ? >>? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
? possible that
? ? ? >>? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
? is FAR
? ? ? >>? from certain.
? ? ? >>? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
? eastern
? ? ? >>? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
? fires, a
? ? ? >>? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with
? him, he
? ? ? >>? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
? and was
? ? ? >>? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
? ? ? >>? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
? and
? ? ? >>? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
? phone,
? ? ? >>? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
? ? ? >>? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
? They
? ? ? >>? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
? it
? ? ? >>? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.? I
? don't
? ? ? >>? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
? Pantera
? ? ? >>? (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
? hope
? ? ? >>? they would do so).
? ? ? >>? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
? Russo
? ? ? >>? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
? eyea|:<(
? ? ? >>? Mike
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Thank you Mike,
This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area. We had a
beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak. We noticed how
unusually strong the wind was that day. Sunday evening went to bed
after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm.
By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.
These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.
God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first
responders trying to get a handle on this beast.
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
Himes, Terry (397C) <[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[7]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what
I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<[8]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is
indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him;
somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the
Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would
certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:58:20 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and jewelry....
Mike
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers.
>
>
> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
>
>
> Julian
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>
> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
>
> Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we
> all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
>
> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> ??
>
>
> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster.
>
> Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
>
> It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
>
> Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
>
> Scott & Debi Mead
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
> > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
> > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
> > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> > Larry Stock
> >
> > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> >> All,
> >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
> >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
> >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
> >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
> >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
> >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
> >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
> >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
> >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
> >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
> >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
> >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
> >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
> >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
> >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
> >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
> >> reduced to ashes. :<(
> >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
> >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
> >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
> >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you
> >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
> >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
> >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
> >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
> >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
> >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
> >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
> >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
> >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
> >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
> >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
> >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
> >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
> >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
> >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
> >> from certain.
> >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
> >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
> >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
> >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
> >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
> >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
> >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
> >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
> >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
> >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
> >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
> >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
> >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
> >> they would do so).
> >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
> >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
> >> Mike
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Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
jewelry....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:06:12 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is well prepared with!
Julian
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From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and jewelry....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
??
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com<mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
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> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
well prepared with!
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
jewelry....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:49:51 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc) into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum of treated water too.
Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars, water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from home.
But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often than not).
You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first time when flames are licking against your fences!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is well prepared with!
>
>
> Julian
>
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: Julian Kift
> Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>
> Julian,
>
> Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and jewelry....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers.
>>
>>
>> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
>>
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
>> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
>> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>>
>> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
>>
>> Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
>> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we
>> all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
>>
>> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
>>
>>
>>
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> ??
>>
>>
>> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster.
>>
>> Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
>>
>> It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
>>
>> Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
>>
>> Scott & Debi Mead
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
>> > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
>> > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
>> > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
>> > Larry Stock
>> >
>> > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
>> > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> All,
>> >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>> >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>> >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
>> >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>> >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
>> >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>> >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
>> >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
>> >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
>> >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
>> >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
>> >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
>> >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
>> >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>> >> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
>> >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
>> >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
>> >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you
>> >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
>> >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
>> >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
>> >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
>> >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
>> >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
>> >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
>> >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
>> >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
>> >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
>> >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
>> >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>> >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>> >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
>> >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
>> >> from certain.
>> >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>> >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>> >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
>> >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
>> >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>> >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>> >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
>> >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>> >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
>> >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>> >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>> >> they would do so).
>> >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
>> >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
>> >> Mike
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Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a
concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the
house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc)
into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so
I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would
be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum
of treated water too.
Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars,
water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from
home.
But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to
undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street
and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the
garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often
than not).
You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first
time when flames are licking against your fences!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
well prepared with!
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
jewelry....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Himes, Terry (397C) <[6]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[11]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<[12]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <[13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
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11. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
12. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:56:50 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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All,
Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed in the Santa Rosa fire:
http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTHPNNR05796.asp
Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles.
So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with good reason...it was really a spectacular car.
Mike
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All,
Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed
in the Santa Rosa fire:
[1]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/
RTHPNNR05796.asp
Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles.
So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at
Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with
good reason...it was really a spectacular car.
Mike
References
1. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTHPNNR05796.asp
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:52:10 -0400
From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
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Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor. I am indicating my age here.
We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a double
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of our
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If it
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn signal
when it was safe.
This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of the
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
friends).
When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.
Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.
Jim Kosloskey
1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
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Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor. I am indicating my age here.
We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
double flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck
driver of our intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his
left turn signal (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal
if it was not. If it was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would
hit the left turn signal when it was safe.
This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
the lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family
and friends).
When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.
Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.
Jim Kosloskey
1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
------------------------------
Message: 21
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:25:46 -0400
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Message-ID: <000101d34301$6bbd1b20$43375160$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the flash to
indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.
Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make in
the late 70's
"break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Kosloskey
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor. I am indicating my age here.
We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a double
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of our
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If it
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn signal
when it was safe.
This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of the
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
friends).
When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.
Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.
Jim Kosloskey
1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:47:39 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
Message-ID: <0444732A-B6A0-46D0-853C-B652EDF6EC10 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Guys,
Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow, where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my uneducated guess is that it will stay that way.
Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had to evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!
So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate danger. Thank goodness for that!
Mike
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:17:34 -0400
From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
To: "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Message-ID: <002501d34354$168fe800$43afb800$@jim-kosloskey.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
You are right.
However, I had a trucker friend tell me it was better to just turn on and of
the headlights as the brights could be blinding when the Trucker was trying
to control his rig and check mirrors. I have tried to do that ever since.
Since I have begun driving a 40' Motor Home I can attest to that potential
issue (of course I am not a professional driver).
I won't be doing that with the Pantera though - but then again I don't
intend to drive it when headlights are needed.
I too drove some long interstate miles for a number of years and the
truckers by and large were very welcome companions.
-----Original Message-----
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Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:26 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the flash to
indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.
Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make in
the late 70's
"break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Kosloskey
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor. I am indicating my age here.
We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a double
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of our
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If it
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn signal
when it was safe.
This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of the
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
friends).
When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.
Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.
Jim Kosloskey
1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:59:49 -0400
From: MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
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Thanks for the updates Mike. It is really appreciated.
Mark Charlton
pantera01826 at rogers.com
> On Oct 12, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow, where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my uneducated guess is that it will stay that way.
>
> Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had to evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!
>
> So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate danger. Thank goodness for that!
>
> Mike
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Rebuild it, it wouldn't be first Pantera to come back from ashes.
Steve
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I also pray that everyone stays safe and am incredibly sorry for Mike
R's losses and anyone else encountering danger.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton)
2. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Rob Dumoulin)
3. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors)
4. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton)
5. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors)
6. Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
7. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Larry Stock)
8. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift)
9. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Larry-Ohio Time Corp)
10. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
11. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Scott Mead Photography)
12. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Ken Green)
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14. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift)
15. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Dennis Valdez)
16. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
17. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift)
18. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
19. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
20. Flash to Pass (Jim Kosloskey)
21. Re: Flash to Pass (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
22. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! (Mike Drew)
23. Re: Flash to Pass (Jim Kosloskey)
24. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! (MARK CHARLTON)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:05:29 -0700
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: B Hower <b.hower3400 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute
used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.??
Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068R? These are black and more
like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.? They hold up better
than cork.
To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to
the valve cover.? On the other side of the gasket, apply your average
Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to
spec.? It won't leak, honest.? Then the next time you need to take the
valve cover off, it will come off easily.? Clean well, re-apply
Vaseline and bolt back down.
Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot
running.
Asa
?Asa? Jay? Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
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On Oct 11, 2017, 07:43, at 07:43, B Hower via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? Please
>give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.?Bud #3400 ( Drive it
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If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research
institute
used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.A A
[1]Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068RA These are black and
more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.A They hold up
better than cork.
To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach
to
the valve cover.A On the other side of the gasket, apply your
average
Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to
spec.A It won't leak, honest.A Then the next time you need to take
the valve cover off, it will come off easily.A Clean well, re-apply
Vaseline and bolt back down.
Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot
running.
Asa
AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
On Oct 11, 2017, at 07:43, B Hower via DeTomaso
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What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? Please
give part
# if known. Thanks for any help here. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there
is no tom
orrow -- for there may not be ! )
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:28 -0400
From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets. This
time
I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle and
they
have not leaked since.
Rob
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I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
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gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
[1]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:54:26 -0700
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I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.? I may try those on
my next build.? Thank you for the link.
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>gaskets.
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>https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
><https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
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>> time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
>middle
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on
my next build.A Thank you for the link.
Asa
AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
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I use aReal Gasketsa Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
[2]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
<[3]https://realgas
kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
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I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
This
time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
middle
and they have not leaked since.
RobA
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:57:55 -0500
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and
discuss any questions on the phone.
They enjoy talking with their customers.
Don?t think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro!
David Finley
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
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>
> Asa
>
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gaskets.
> Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
> https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37
<https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/
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<https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/>
> David Finley
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> I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
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> time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
middle
> and they have not leaked since.
> RobA
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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discuss any questions on the phone.
They enjoy talking with their customers.
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I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:08:26 -0400
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <113235.2cfa0417.470faa09 at aol.com>
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All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
I'd give
an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
east from
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
fire
is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
smack in
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
side
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
literally only
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to
normally open
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
raced
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
fire
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
Leonard,
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at
the
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
Pantera. He
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
immediately.
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
then went
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
prevented
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
and it
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
side
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley
and
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
a steep
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The
fires are
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
be
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
side of
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
away
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
property
with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
post
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
have a
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they
have
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
their only
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
who
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(
Mike
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All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
thought I'd give an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
south so the fire is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
house
was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
(on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and
all
their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
you
met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
GT
instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
and
ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
and
their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
well
away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
the
'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
is
approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
is
on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
hill
with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
that
his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
FAR
from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
hosing down his property with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
(although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:21:20 -0700
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about
our
extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
would
you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
Larry Stock
On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> All,
> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
the
> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north
to
> south so the fire is burning away from us.
> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
house
> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power
was
> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and
all
> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
> reduced to ashes. :<(
> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
you
> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
GT
> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
and
> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
and
> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
well
> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
the
> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
is
> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
hill
> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
that
> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
FAR
> from certain.
> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him,
he
> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and
was
> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
> they would do so).
> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
> Mike
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:22:56 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Mike,
Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our
fellow De Tomaso friends.
It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been
able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that
some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen
are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas,
such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
I'd give
an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
east from
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
fire
is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
smack in
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
side
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
literally only
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to
normally open
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
raced
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
fire
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
Leonard,
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at
the
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
Pantera. He
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
immediately.
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
then went
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
prevented
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
and it
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
side
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley
and
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
a steep
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The
fires are
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
be
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
side of
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
away
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
property
with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
post
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
have a
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they
have
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
their only
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
who
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(
Mike
-------------- next part --------------
Mike,
Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our
fellow De Tomaso friends.
It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have
been
able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that
some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have
seen
are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas,
such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
I'd give
an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
east from
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so
the
fire
is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
smack in
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
side
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
had
literally only
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to
normally open
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
raced
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their
beautiful
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
fire
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
Leonard,
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs
directly
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him
at
the
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of
his
Pantera. He
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
immediately.
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.
They
then went
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
prevented
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps
constantly,
and it
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the
east
side
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small
valley
and
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there
is
a steep
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is
just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The
fires are
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home
will
be
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
side of
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or
so
away
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down
his
property
with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he
did
post
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
have a
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to
be
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if
they
have
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
their only
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
who
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye...:<(
Mike
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:32:48 -0400
From: "Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <3C82A56965774592BE06F02FAFCB738F at LarryPCHP>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Mike,
I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the
fires. I
know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories
attached
to that stuff too.
Few things as devastating in life as this.
God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.
Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
I'd
give
an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
east
from
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
fire
is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected
to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
smack in
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
side
of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
literally only
one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to
normally
open
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
raced
away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
fire
symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
Leonard,
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at
the
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
Pantera. He
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
immediately.
He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
then
went
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
prevented
them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
and
it
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
side
of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley
and
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
a
steep
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The
fires
are
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
be
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
side of
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
away
in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
property
with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
post
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
have a
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they
have
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
their
only
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
who
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(
Mike
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:03:29 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <5F0FD259-9208-4664-AF5A-87717124DFF9 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
We are getting a lot of help. Driving on the freeway just now I was
passed by a convoy of 4x4 fire trucks from Eugene Oregon racing towards
the fire
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 10:32, Larry-Ohio Time Corp
<Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the
fires. I
> know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories
attached
> to that stuff too.
>
> Few things as devastating in life as this.
>
> God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.
>
> Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>
> All,
>
> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about
> the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
I'd
> give
> an update to everyone.
>
> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
the
> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
east
> from
> the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so
the fire
>
> is burning away from us.
>
> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected
> to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
smack in
> the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
side
> of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
> notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
> literally only
> one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to
normally
> open
> his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
raced
> away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
> big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
>
> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
fire
> symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
> Leonard,
> lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
> north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at
the
> Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
> Pantera. He
> was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
> immediately.
> He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
> Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
then
> went
> back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
prevented
> them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps
constantly, and
> it
> seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the
east side
>
> of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley
and
> his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there
is a
> steep
> hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards
> from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The
fires
> are
> generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home
will be
> spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
>
> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
side of
> Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or
so away
> in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
> Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
> property
> with his garden hose.
>
> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to
> be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
post
> about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>
> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
have a
> large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to
be
> moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if
they have
> evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
their
> only
> collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
>
> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
who
> literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(
>
> Mike
>
>
>
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:34:58 -0500
From: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID:
<2DD401F8-5A0B-4466-8C6F-02E1533F59B5 at scottmeadphotography.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers
and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their
car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about
our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north
to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power
was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and
all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him,
he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and
was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:00:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning
and?there are a lot of?untouched houses next to houses burned to the
ground.? I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the
attic are the difference.? It's probably a good idea to make sure there
are no openings allowing the embers in.
Ken
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
? All,
? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is indicated by
the
? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
? south so the fire is burning away from us.
? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
house
? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him; somehow he
? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His power was
? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home, and all
? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
? reduced to ashes. :<(
? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new owner,
? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.? Many of
you
? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
and
? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the Ford GT
and
? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
well
? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.? We
? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
the
? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
is
? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his house
is
? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
hill
? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
that
? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
? from certain.
? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with him, he
? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.? They
? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.? I don't
? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
? (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
? they would do so).
? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
? Mike
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We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this
morning
and there are a lot of untouched houses next to houses burned to the
ground. I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the
attic are the difference. It's probably a good idea to make sure
there
are no openings allowing the embers in.
Ken
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
All,
I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
thought I'd give an update to everyone.
The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north
to
south so the fire is burning away from us.
There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
house
was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
(on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power
was
out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and
all
their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
reduced to ashes. :<(
Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many
of
you
met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
GT
instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning
and
ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
and
their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
well
away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.
We
have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though
the
'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road
is
approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house
is
on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
hill
with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
that
his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
FAR
from certain.
Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires,
a
mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him,
he
had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
hosing down his property with his garden hose.
Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
don't
know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
(although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
hope
they would do so).
Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
Mike
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:27:15 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry
Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
??
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.
We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:38:48 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead
Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
??
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.
We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a
written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
Photography"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
(disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is
indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him;
somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another
new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would
certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:07:05 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dennis Valdez <sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead Photography
<scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <771130712.36164.1507752425860 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Thank you Mike,
This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area.? We had a
beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak.? We noticed how
unusually strong the wind was that day.? Sunday evening went to bed
after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm.?
?By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.?
These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.??
God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first
responders trying to get a handle on this beast.
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
? Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
? policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
? your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
? furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
? valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
? value with the run of the mill insurers.
? As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
? have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
prepare
? such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
? collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
to
? remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
? Julian
? ? __________________________________________________________________
? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
? Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
? Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
? To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
? Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
? Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!? Thanks Scott.
? Video is a great idea.? I had mine inspected, certified and a written
? report done by qualified agent,
? who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
as
? you add things (like we
? all do) to your car.? Going to do a video tonight.
? (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
? ? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
? Terry W. Himes
? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
? Dawn Spacecraft Team
? Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
? Phone: (818) 393-6261
? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213
? thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
? On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
? <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
? scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
? ? ? Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
? brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
? loses their car due to a natural disaster.
? ? ? Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
to
? increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
? address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
? agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
? Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
? details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
? the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
? that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
? ? ? It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
? strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what
I
? have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
? ? ? Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
? ? ? Scott & Debi Mead
? ? ? Sent from my iPhone
? ? ? > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
? <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
? ? ? >
? ? ? > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
wondering
? about our
? ? ? > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
? especially
? ? ? > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
? what would
? ? ? > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
? ? ? > Larry Stock
? ? ? >
? ? ? > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
? DeTomaso"
? ? ? > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
? ? ? > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
? ? ? >
? ? ? >>? All,
? ? ? >>? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
? concerned
? ? ? >>? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
? so I
? ? ? >>? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
? ? ? >>? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is
indicated
? by the
? ? ? >>? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
? miles
? ? ? >>? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
? north to
? ? ? >>? south so the fire is burning away from us.
? ? ? >>? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
? been
? ? ? >>? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and
? his house
? ? ? >>? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
Santa
? Rosa
? ? ? >>? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him;
somehow
? he
? ? ? >>? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
a.m.
? Monday
? ? ? >>? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His
? power was
? ? ? >>? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
they
? jumped
? ? ? >>? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home,
? and all
? ? ? >>? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
? were
? ? ? >>? reduced to ashes. :<(
? ? ? >>? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
a
? round
? ? ? >>? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new
? owner,
? ? ? >>? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
road
? that
? ? ? >>? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
? Many of you
? ? ? >>? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
? Ford GT
? ? ? >>? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
? morning and
? ? ? >>? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the
Ford
? GT and
? ? ? >>? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
away
? but well
? ? ? >>? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to
? retrieve
? ? ? >>? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
? returning.? We
? ? ? >>? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
? though the
? ? ? >>? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
the
? road is
? ? ? >>? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his
? house is
? ? ? >>? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
? steep hill
? ? ? >>? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
fire
? is just
? ? ? >>? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
? hundred
? ? ? >>? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
? home.
? ? ? >>? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
? possible that
? ? ? >>? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
that
? is FAR
? ? ? >>? from certain.
? ? ? >>? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
? eastern
? ? ? >>? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
? fires, a
? ? ? >>? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with
? him, he
? ? ? >>? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
? and was
? ? ? >>? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
? ? ? >>? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
? and
? ? ? >>? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
? phone,
? ? ? >>? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
? ? ? >>? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
? They
? ? ? >>? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
but
? it
? ? ? >>? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.?
I
? don't
? ? ? >>? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
? Pantera
? ? ? >>? (although as it is their only collector car, I would
certainly
? hope
? ? ? >>? they would do so).
? ? ? >>? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
Mike
? Russo
? ? ? >>? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
? eyea|:<(
? ? ? >>? Mike
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Thank you Mike,
This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area. We had a
beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak. We noticed how
unusually strong the wind was that day. Sunday evening went to bed
after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about
10pm.
By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.
These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.
God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first
responders trying to get a handle on this beast.
On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used
to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for
me
to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
Himes, Terry (397C) <[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a
written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to
update
as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
Photography"
<[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[7]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone
who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier
(Grundy)
to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car,
the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've
documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a
relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
(disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
what
I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<[8]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is
indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about
12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted
from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner,
and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him;
somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their
home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block
Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires
with
a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another
new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the
Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup
to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems
as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on
the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke
with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a
getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy
116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles
away,
but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would
certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:58:20 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
jewelry....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
>
>
> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
>
>
> Julian
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>
> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
>
> Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
report done by qualified agent,
> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
as you add things (like we
> all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
>
> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
>
>
>
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>
> Terry W. Himes
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell: (818) 653-8213
> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
> ??
>
>
> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
>
> Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
>
> It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
>
> Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
>
> Scott & Debi Mead
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
about our
> > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> > Larry Stock
> >
> > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> >> All,
> >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
> >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
> >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
> >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is
indicated by the
> >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
> >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
> >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
> >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
been
> >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
> >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
Santa Rosa
> >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him;
somehow he
> >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
a.m. Monday
> >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
> >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
they jumped
> >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
> >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
> >> reduced to ashes. :<(
> >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
a round
> >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
> >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
road that
> >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
> >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
> >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
> >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
> >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
> >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
> >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
> >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
> >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
> >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house is
> >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
> >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
> >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
> >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
> >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
> >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
that is FAR
> >> from certain.
> >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
> >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
> >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
> >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
> >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
> >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
> >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
> >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
> >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
> >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
but it
> >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
don't
> >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
> >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would
certainly hope
> >> they would do so).
> >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
Mike Russo
> >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
> >> Mike
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Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your
policy,
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from
homeowners
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate,
besides
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
jewelry....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a
written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
Photography"
<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
(disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is
indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him;
somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another
new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would
certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:06:12 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
well prepared with!
Julian
________________________________
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
jewelry....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C)
<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
m>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
??
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
r.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
scott at scottmeadphotography.com<mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>>
wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
>
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at serve
r.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.co
m>> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.
We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
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Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a
'grab
and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori
is
well prepared with!
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your
policy,
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from
homeowners
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate,
besides
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
jewelry....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a
written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
Photography"
<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
(disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is
indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him;
somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another
new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would
certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:49:51 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a
concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the
house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc)
into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so
I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would
be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum
of treated water too.
Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars,
water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from
home.
But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to
undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street
and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the
garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often
than not).
You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first
time when flames are licking against your fences!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
well prepared with!
>
>
> Julian
>
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: Julian Kift
> Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>
> Julian,
>
> Another important point: unless you have special riders on your
policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from
homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people
evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take
their guns and jewelry....
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
>>
>>
>> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
>>
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
>> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
>> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>>
>> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
>>
>> Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a
written report done by qualified agent,
>> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
as you add things (like we
>> all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
>>
>> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
>>
>>
>>
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> ??
>>
>>
>> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
>>
>> Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
>>
>> It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
(disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows
exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God
forbid).
>>
>> Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
>>
>> Scott & Debi Mead
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been
wondering about our
>> > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
>> > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
>> > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
>> > Larry Stock
>> >
>> > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
>> > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> All,
>> >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
house, so I
>> >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is
indicated by the
>> >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about
12 miles
>> >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
have been
>> >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
Santa Rosa
>> >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him;
somehow he
>> >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
a.m. Monday
>> >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
they jumped
>> >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their
home, and all
>> >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> >> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
a round
>> >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another
new owner,
>> >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
road that
>> >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
his Ford GT
>> >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the
Ford GT and
>> >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
away but well
>> >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
the road is
>> >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
his house is
>> >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
is just
>> >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
his home.
>> >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
is FAR
>> >> from certain.
>> >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
They
>> >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
but it
>> >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
I don't
>> >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would
certainly hope
>> >> they would do so).
>> >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
Mike Russo
>> >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> >> Mike
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Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a
concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the
house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc)
into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard,
so
I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we
would
be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon
drum
of treated water too.
Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola
bars,
water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from
home.
But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to
undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the
street
and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the
garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often
than not).
You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first
time when flames are licking against your fences!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a
'grab
and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori
is
well prepared with!
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Julian,
Another important point: unless you have special riders on your
policy,
normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from
homeowners
insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate,
besides
important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
jewelry....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through
of
your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding
replacement
value with the run of the mill insurers.
As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
prepare
such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and
I've
collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
to
remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of Himes, Terry (397C) <[6]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a
written
report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
as
you add things (like we
all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
Photography"
<[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[11]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
loses their car due to a natural disaster.
Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind
(disasters
strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly
what I
have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
Scott & Debi Mead
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
<[12]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
wondering
about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
>
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
DeTomaso"
> <[13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> [14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
concerned
>> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my
house,
so I
>> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is
indicated
by the
>> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
miles
>> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
north to
>> south so the fire is burning away from us.
>> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who
have
been
>> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
his house
>> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
Santa
Rosa
>> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him;
somehow
he
>> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
a.m.
Monday
>> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
power was
>> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
jumped
>> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
and all
>> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
were
>> reduced to ashes. :<(
>> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
a
round
>> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another
new
owner,
>> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
road
that
>> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
Many of you
>> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving
his
Ford GT
>> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
morning and
>> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
GT and
>> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
but well
>> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
retrieve
>> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
returning. We
>> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
though the
>> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
the
road is
>> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
his
house is
>> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep hill
>> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
fire
is just
>> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from
his
home.
>> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
possible that
>> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
that
is FAR
>> from certain.
>> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
eastern
>> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
fires, a
>> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
him, he
>> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
and was
>> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
and
>> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
phone,
>> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy
29.
They
>> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
but
it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
I
don't
>> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
Pantera
>> (although as it is their only collector car, I would
certainly
hope
>> they would do so).
>> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
Mike
Russo
>> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
eyea|:<(
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA
>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes
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This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the
discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is
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>>
>> To manage your subscription (change email address,
unsubscribe,
etc.) use
>> the links above.
>>
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>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members
of
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:56:50 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <472099A6-CDF0-498E-BF4B-3DC16B77FDCE at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
All,
Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed
in the Santa Rosa fire:
http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTH
PNNR05796.asp
Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles.
So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at
Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with
good reason...it was really a spectacular car.
Mike
-------------- next part --------------
All,
Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was
destroyed
in the Santa Rosa fire:
[1]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/
RTHPNNR05796.asp
Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles.
So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it
at
Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it,
with
good reason...it was really a spectacular car.
Mike
References
1.
http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTH
PNNR05796.asp
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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:52:10 -0400
From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Message-ID: <005101d342fc$b8e1e480$2aa5ad80$@jim-kosloskey.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor. I am indicating my age here.
We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
double
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of
our
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If
it
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn
signal
when it was safe.
This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
the
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
friends).
When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.
Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.
Jim Kosloskey
1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
-------------- next part --------------
Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on
the
floor. I am indicating my age here.
We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
double flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck
driver of our intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his
left turn signal (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn
signal
if it was not. If it was not safe to pass, then the semi driver
would
hit the left turn signal when it was safe.
This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had
turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
the lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family
and friends).
When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash
became
easier.
Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too
slow.
I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too
slow. A
consideration I was raised with.
Jim Kosloskey
1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
------------------------------
Message: 21
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:25:46 -0400
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Message-ID: <000101d34301$6bbd1b20$43375160$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the
flash to
indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.
Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make
in
the late 70's
"break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Jim Kosloskey
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor. I am indicating my age here.
We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
double
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of
our
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If
it
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn
signal
when it was safe.
This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
the
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
friends).
When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.
Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.
Jim Kosloskey
1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
------------------------------
Message: 22
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:47:39 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
Message-ID: <0444732A-B6A0-46D0-853C-B652EDF6EC10 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Guys,
Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow,
where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now
safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for
things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn
and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my
uneducated guess is that it will stay that way.
Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had to
evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!
So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate
danger. Thank goodness for that!
Mike
------------------------------
Message: 23
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:17:34 -0400
From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
To: "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Message-ID: <002501d34354$168fe800$43afb800$@jim-kosloskey.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
You are right.
However, I had a trucker friend tell me it was better to just turn on
and of
the headlights as the brights could be blinding when the Trucker was
trying
to control his rig and check mirrors. I have tried to do that ever
since.
Since I have begun driving a 40' Motor Home I can attest to that
potential
issue (of course I am not a professional driver).
I won't be doing that with the Pantera though - but then again I don't
intend to drive it when headlights are needed.
I too drove some long interstate miles for a number of years and the
truckers by and large were very welcome companions.
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:26 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the
flash to
indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.
Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make
in
the late 70's
"break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf
Of Jim Kosloskey
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor. I am indicating my age here.
We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
double
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of
our
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If
it
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn
signal
when it was safe.
This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
the
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
friends).
When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.
Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.
Jim Kosloskey
1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:59:49 -0400
From: MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
Message-ID: <913661DD-C233-4CC4-8DDF-4287FE87DEF7 at rogers.com>
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Thanks for the updates Mike. It is really appreciated.
Mark Charlton
pantera01826 at rogers.com
> On Oct 12, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow,
where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now
safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for
things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn
and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my
uneducated guess is that it will stay that way.
>
> Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had
to evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!
>
> So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate
danger. Thank goodness for that!
>
> Mike
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