[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 160, Issue 13

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton)
   2. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Rob Dumoulin)
   3. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors)
   4. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (Asa Jay Laughton)
   5. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors)
   6. Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
   7. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Larry Stock)
   8. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift)
   9. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Larry-Ohio Time Corp)
  10. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
  11. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Scott Mead Photography)
  12. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Ken Green)
  13. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Himes, Terry (397C))
  14. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift)
  15. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Dennis Valdez)
  16. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
  17. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Julian Kift)
  18. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
  19. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<( (Mike Drew)
  20. Flash to Pass (Jim Kosloskey)
  21. Re: Flash to Pass (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
  22. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! (Mike Drew)
  23. Re: Flash to Pass (Jim Kosloskey)
  24. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! (MARK CHARLTON)


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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:05:29 -0700
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.?? Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068R? These are black and more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.? They hold up better than cork.

To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to the valve cover.? On the other side of the gasket, apply your average Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to spec.? It won't leak, honest.? Then the next time you need to take the valve cover off, it will come off easily.? Clean well, re-apply Vaseline and bolt back down.

Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot running.

Asa

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   If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute
   used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.A A
   [1]Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068RA  These are black and
   more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.A  They hold up
   better than cork.

   To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to
   the valve cover.A  On the other side of the gasket, apply your average
   Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to
  spec.A  It won't leak, honest.A  Then the next time you need to take
   the valve cover off, it will come off easily.A  Clean well, re-apply
   Vaseline and bolt back down.

   Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot
   running.

   Asa

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What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland? Please give part
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:28 -0400
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I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.  This time
I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle and they
have not leaked since.

Rob

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   I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A  This
   time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
   and they have not leaked since.
   RobA
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     not be
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:28:40 -0500
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
  https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
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>   I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A  This
>   time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
>   and they have not leaked since.
>   RobA
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   I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   gaskets.

   Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.

     [1]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
   David Finley
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     I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
   This
     time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
     and they have not leaked since.
     RobA
     On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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   Cleveland?
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:54:26 -0700
From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.? I may try those on my next build.? Thank you for the link.

Asa

?Asa? Jay? Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
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On Oct 11, 2017, 09:28, at 09:28, MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
>I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
>gaskets.
>Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
>https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
><https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
>David Finley 
>#3659
>
>
>
>>   I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A 
>This
>>   time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
>middle
>>   and they have not leaked since.
>>   RobA
>>   On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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>Cleveland?
>>     Please
>>     A  A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
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   I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.A  I may try those on
   my next build.A  Thank you for the link.

   Asa

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   On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
   <[1]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:

I use aReal Gasketsa Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
  [2]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ <[3]https://realgas
kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
David Finley
#3659

     I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
     This
     time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
     and they have not leaked since.
     RobA
     On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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     Please
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:57:55 -0500
From: MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: Detomaso Email List <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and discuss any questions on the phone.  
They enjoy talking with their customers. 
Don?t think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro!
David Finley
#3659


> On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> 
> I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.  I may try those on my next build.  Thank you for the link.
> 
> Asa
> 
> Asa  Jay  Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors <david at msmcontractors.org <mailto:david at msmcontractors.org>> wrote:
> I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets.
> Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
>   https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/ <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37 <https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/>
> David Finley 
> #3659
> 
> 
> 
>    I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A  This
>    time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
>    and they have not leaked since.
>    RobA
>    On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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>      Please
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   Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and
   discuss any questions on the phone.

   They enjoy talking with their customers.

   Don't think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro!
   David Finley
   #3659

   On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
   wrote:

   I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.  I may try those on
   my next build.  Thank you for the link.
   Asa
   Asa  Jay  Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
   <[2]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:

I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone gaskets.
Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
  [3]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/ <[4]https://realgas
kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
David Finley
#3659

     I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
     This
     time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
     and they have not leaked since.
     RobA
     On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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     A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland?
     Please
     A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
     A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
     not be
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:08:26 -0400
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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All,

I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about 
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd give 
an update to everyone.

The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by the 
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east from 
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire 
is burning away from us.

There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected 
to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in 
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side 
of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first 
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had literally only 
one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to normally open 
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced 
away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful 
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(

Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire 
symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom Leonard, 
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly 
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him at the 
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his Pantera. He 
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate immediately. 
  He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to 
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.   They then went 
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented 
them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it 
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side 
of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small valley and 
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep 
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards 
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The fires are 
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be 
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.

Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of 
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away 
in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his 
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his property 
with his garden hose.

Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to 
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post 
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.

Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They have a 
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be 
moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if they have 
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their only 
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).

Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who 
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(

Mike


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   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   south so the fire is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
   was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
   missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
   out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
   in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and all
   their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
   Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of you
   met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
   instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
   ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT and
 their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
   away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
   have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
   'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
   approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house is
   on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
   with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
   his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
   from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
   had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
   have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
   know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   Mike
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:21:20 -0700
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
Larry Stock

On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
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>   All,
>   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>   about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>   thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>   The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by the
>   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>   east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
>   south so the fire is burning away from us.
>   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>   affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
>   was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
>   (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
>   missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
>   morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
>   out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
>   in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and all
>   their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>   reduced to ashes. :<(
>   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
>   fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
>   Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
>   runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of you
>   met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
>   instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
>   ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT and
>   their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
>   away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
>   the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
>   have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
>   'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
>   approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house is
>   on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
>   with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
>   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>   The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
>   his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
>   from certain.
>   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>   side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>   mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
>   had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
>   hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>   appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>   although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
>   have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
>   know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>   (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>   they would do so).
>   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
>   who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
> Mike
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:22:56 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>, "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
	<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Mike,


Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our fellow De Tomaso friends.


It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas, such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.


Julian


________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

All,

I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd give
an update to everyone.

The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by the
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east from
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire
is burning away from us.

There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected
to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side
of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had literally only
one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to normally open
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced
away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(

Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire
symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom Leonard,
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him at the
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his Pantera. He
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate immediately.
  He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.   They then went
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented
them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side
of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small valley and
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The fires are
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.

Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away
in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his property
with his garden hose.

Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.

Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They have a
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if they have
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their only
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).

Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(

Mike


-------------- next part --------------
   Mike,

   Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our
   fellow De Tomaso friends.

   It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been
   able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that
   some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen
 are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas,
   such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd give
   an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
 east from
   the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
   fire
   is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
   smack in
   the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   literally only
   one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to
   normally open
   his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom
   Leonard,
   lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him at
   the
   Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   Pantera. He
   was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   immediately.
  He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.   They
   then went
   back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
   and it
   seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
   side
   of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small valley
   and
   his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
   a steep
   hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The
   fires are
   generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
   be
   spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
   away
   in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   property
   with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They
   have a
   large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
  moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if they
   have
   evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their only
   collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye...:<(
   Mike

------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:32:48 -0400
From: "Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <3C82A56965774592BE06F02FAFCB738F at LarryPCHP>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Mike,

 I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the fires. I
know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories attached
to that stuff too.

Few things as devastating in life as this.

God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.

Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

All,

I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about 
the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd
give 
an update to everyone.

The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by the 
blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east
from 
the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire

is burning away from us.

There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected 
to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in 
the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side 
of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first 
notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
literally only 
one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to normally
open 
his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced 
away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful 
big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(

Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire 
symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom
Leonard, 
lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly 
north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him at the 
Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
Pantera. He 
was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
immediately. 
  He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to 
Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.   They then
went 
back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented 
them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and
it 
seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side

of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small valley and 
his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
steep 
hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards 
from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The fires
are 
generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be 
spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.

Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of 
Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away 
in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his 
Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
property 
with his garden hose.

Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to 
be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post 
about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.

Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They have a 
large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be 
moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if they have 
evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their
only 
collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).

Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who 
literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(

Mike





------------------------------

Message: 10
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:03:29 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <5F0FD259-9208-4664-AF5A-87717124DFF9 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

We are getting a lot of help. Driving on the freeway just now I was passed by a convoy of 4x4 fire trucks from Eugene Oregon racing towards the fire 

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 10:32, Larry-Ohio Time Corp <Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the fires. I
> know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories attached
> to that stuff too.
> 
> Few things as devastating in life as this.
> 
> God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.
> 
> Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
> 
> All,
> 
> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned about 
> the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought I'd
> give 
> an update to everyone.
> 
> The attached map shows the burned areas.   My house is indicated by the 
> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles east
> from 
> the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the fire
> 
> is burning away from us.
> 
> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been affected 
> to various degrees.   Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack in 
> the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left side 
> of the map).   We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first 
> notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
> literally only 
> one minute to get out.   His power was out so he wasn't able to normally
> open 
> his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and raced 
> away.   Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful 
> big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
> 
> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round fire 
> symbol pictured in between them on the map.   Another new owner, Tom
> Leonard, 
> lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly 
> north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.   Many of you met him at the 
> Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
> Pantera. He 
> was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
> immediately. 
>  He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to 
> Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger.   They then
> went 
> back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities prevented 
> them from returning.   We have been watching the fire maps constantly, and
> it 
> seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side
> 
> of the road is approaching his house.   His road is in a small valley and 
> his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
> steep 
> hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just 
> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred yards 
> from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.   The fires
> are 
> generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will be 
> spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
> 
> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern side of 
> Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so away 
> in either direction.   Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his 
> Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
> property 
> with his garden hose.
> 
> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and appears to 
> be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did post 
> about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
> 
> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.   They have a 
> large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be 
> moving south so they are probably safe for now.   I don't know if they have 
> evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is their
> only 
> collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
> 
> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo who 
> literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 



------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:34:58 -0500
From: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID:
	<2DD401F8-5A0B-4466-8C6F-02E1533F59B5 at scottmeadphotography.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 

Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 

It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).

Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 

Scott & Debi Mead

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
> extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
> Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
> you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
> Larry Stock
> 
> On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> 
>>  All,
>>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by the
>>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
>>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
>>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
>>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
>>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
>>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
>>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
>>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
>>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and all
>>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>>  reduced to ashes. :<(
>>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
>>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
>>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
>>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of you
>>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
>>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
>>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT and
>>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
>>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
>>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
>>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
>>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
>>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house is
>>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
>>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
>>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
>>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
>>  from certain.
>>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
>>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
>>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
>>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
>>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>>  they would do so).
>>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
>>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
>>  Mike
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:00:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
	"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning and?there are a lot of?untouched houses next to houses burned to the ground.? I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the attic are the difference.? It's probably a good idea to make sure there are no openings allowing the embers in.
Ken

      From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
 To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   
? All,
? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is indicated by the
? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
? south so the fire is burning away from us.
? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him; somehow he
? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His power was
? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home, and all
? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
? reduced to ashes. :<(
? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new owner,
? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.? Many of you
? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the Ford GT and
? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.? We
? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his house is
? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
? from certain.
? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with him, he
? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.? They
? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.? I don't
? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
? (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
? they would do so).
? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
? Mike
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   We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning
   and there are a lot of untouched houses next to houses burned to the
   ground.  I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the
   attic are the difference.  It's probably a good idea to make sure there
   are no openings allowing the embers in.
   Ken
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
     All,
     I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
     about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
     thought I'd give an update to everyone.
     The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by
   the
     blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
     east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
     south so the fire is burning away from us.
     There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
     affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
     was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
     (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
     missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
     morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
     out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
     in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and all
     their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
     reduced to ashes. :<(
     Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
     fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
     Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
     runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of
   you
     met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
     instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
     ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
     their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
    away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
     the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
     have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
     'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
     approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
     on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
     with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
     on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
     yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
     The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
     his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
     from certain.
     Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
     side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
     mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
   had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
     hosing down his property with his garden hose.
     Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
     appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
     although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
     Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
     have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
     seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
     (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
     they would do so).
     Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
     who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
     Mike
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:27:15 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry
	Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
	"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.

Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we 
all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.

(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?) 



"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
 
Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
??
 

On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:

    Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 
    
    Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 
    
    It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
    
    Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 
    
    Scott & Debi Mead
    
    Sent from my iPhone
    
    > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
    > 
    > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
    > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
    > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
    > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
    > Larry Stock
    > 
    > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
    > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
    > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
    > 
    >>  All,
    >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
    >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
    >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
    >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by the
    >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
    >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
    >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
 >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
    >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
    >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
    >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
    >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
    >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
    >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
    >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and all
    >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
    >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
    >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
    >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
    >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
    >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of you
    >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
    >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
    >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT and
    >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
    >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
    >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
    >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
    >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
    >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house is
    >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
    >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
    >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
    >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
    >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
    >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
    >>  from certain.
    >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
    >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
    >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
    >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
    >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
    >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
    >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
    >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
    >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
    >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
    >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
    >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
    >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
    >>  they would do so).
    >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
    >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
    >>  Mike
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:38:48 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead
	Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock
	<larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
	"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers.


As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.


Julian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.

Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we
all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.

(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)



"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
??


On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:

    Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster.

    Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.

    It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).

    Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.

    Scott & Debi Mead

    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
    >
    > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
    > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
    > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
    > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
    > Larry Stock
    >
    > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
 > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
    > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
    >
    >>  All,
    >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
    >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
    >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
    >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by the
    >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
    >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
    >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
 >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
    >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
    >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
    >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
    >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
    >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
    >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
    >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and all
    >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
    >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
    >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
    >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
    >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
    >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of you
    >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
    >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
    >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT and
    >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
    >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
    >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
    >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
    >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
    >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house is
    >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
    >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
    >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
    >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
    >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
    >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
    >>  from certain.
    >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
    >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
    >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
    >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
    >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
    >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
    >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
    >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
    >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
    >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
    >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
    >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
    >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
    >>  they would do so).
    >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
    >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
    >>  Mike
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   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.

   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
       Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.

    Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.

       It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).

      Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.

       Scott & Debi Mead

       Sent from my iPhone

       > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
       >
       > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
   about our
       > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
    > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
 > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
       > Larry Stock
       >
       > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
       > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
       > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       >
       >>  All,
       >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
  concerned
       >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
       >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
       >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated
   by the
     >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
    >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
       >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
       >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
       >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
       >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
       >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
 >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
   power was
   >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
 >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
   and all
  >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
      >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
       >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
       >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
       >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
       >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
       >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
       >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
    >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
 >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
       >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
       >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning.  We
       >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
       >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
       >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
       >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
       >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
       >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
       >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
       >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
       >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
       >>  from certain.
       >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
       >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
       >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
   him, he
       >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
       >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
       >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
       >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
       >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
       >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
       >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
       >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I
   don't
       >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
       >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
       >>  they would do so).
       >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
       >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
       >>  Mike
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:07:05 +0000 (UTC)
From: Dennis Valdez <sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,  "Himes, Terry (397C)"
	<terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>,  Scott Mead Photography
	<scott at scottmeadphotography.com>,  Larry Stock
	<larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: "MikeLDrew at aol.com" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
	"detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <771130712.36164.1507752425860 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thank you Mike,
This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area.? We had a beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak.? We noticed how unusually strong the wind was that day.? Sunday evening went to bed after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm.? ?By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.? These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.??
God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first responders trying to get a handle on this beast. 

    On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
 

 ? Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
? policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
? your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
? furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
? valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
? value with the run of the mill insurers.

? As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
? have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
? such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
? collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
? remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.

? Julian
? ? __________________________________________________________________

? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
? Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
? Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
? To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
? Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

? Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!? Thanks Scott.
? Video is a great idea.? I had mine inspected, certified and a written
? report done by qualified agent,
? who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
? you add things (like we
? all do) to your car.? Going to do a video tonight.
? (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
? ? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

? Terry W. Himes
? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
? Dawn Spacecraft Team
? Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
? Phone: (818) 393-6261
? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213
? thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

? On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
? <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
? scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
? ? ? Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
? brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
? loses their car due to a natural disaster.

? ? ? Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
? increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
? address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
? agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
? Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
? details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
? the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
? that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.

? ? ? It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
? strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
? have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).

? ? ? Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.

? ? ? Scott & Debi Mead

? ? ? Sent from my iPhone

? ? ? > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
? <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
? ? ? >
? ? ? > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
? about our
? ? ? > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
? especially
? ? ? > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
? what would
? ? ? > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
? ? ? > Larry Stock
? ? ? >
? ? ? > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
? DeTomaso"
? ? ? > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
? ? ? > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
? ? ? >
? ? ? >>? All,
? ? ? >>? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
? concerned
? ? ? >>? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
? so I
? ? ? >>? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
? ? ? >>? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is indicated
? by the
? ? ? >>? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
? miles
? ? ? >>? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
? north to
? ? ? >>? south so the fire is burning away from us.
? ? ? >>? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
? been
? ? ? >>? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and
? his house
? ? ? >>? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
? Rosa
? ? ? >>? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him; somehow
? he
? ? ? >>? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
? Monday
? ? ? >>? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His
? power was
? ? ? >>? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
? jumped
? ? ? >>? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home,
? and all
? ? ? >>? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
? were
? ? ? >>? reduced to ashes. :<(
? ? ? >>? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
? round
? ? ? >>? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new
? owner,
? ? ? >>? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
? that
? ? ? >>? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
? Many of you
? ? ? >>? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
? Ford GT
? ? ? >>? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
? morning and
? ? ? >>? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the Ford
? GT and
? ? ? >>? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
? but well
? ? ? >>? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to
? retrieve
? ? ? >>? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
? returning.? We
? ? ? >>? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
? though the
? ? ? >>? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
? road is
? ? ? >>? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his
? house is
? ? ? >>? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
? steep hill
? ? ? >>? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
? is just
? ? ? >>? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
? hundred
? ? ? >>? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
? home.
? ? ? >>? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
? possible that
? ? ? >>? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
? is FAR
? ? ? >>? from certain.
? ? ? >>? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
? eastern
? ? ? >>? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
? fires, a
? ? ? >>? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with
? him, he
? ? ? >>? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
? and was
? ? ? >>? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
? ? ? >>? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
? and
? ? ? >>? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
? phone,
? ? ? >>? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
? ? ? >>? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
? They
? ? ? >>? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
? it
? ? ? >>? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.? I
? don't
? ? ? >>? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
? Pantera
? ? ? >>? (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
? hope
? ? ? >>? they would do so).
? ? ? >>? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
? Russo
? ? ? >>? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
? eyea|:<(
? ? ? >>? Mike
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   Thank you Mike,
   This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area.  We had a
   beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak.  We noticed how
   unusually strong the wind was that day.  Sunday evening went to bed
   after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm.
    By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.
   These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.
   God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first
   responders trying to get a handle on this beast.
   On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
    Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
     policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
     your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
     furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
     valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
     value with the run of the mill insurers.
     As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
     have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
   prepare
     such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
     collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
   to
     remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
     Julian
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
     Himes, Terry (397C) <[2]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
     Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
     To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
     Cc: [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
     Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
     Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written
     report done by qualified agent,
     who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as
     you add things (like we
     all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
     (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
     "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
       stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
     Terry W. Himes
     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
     Dawn Spacecraft Team
     Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
     Phone: (818) 393-6261
     Cell:    (818) 653-8213
     [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
     On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
     <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
     [7]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
         Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
     brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
     loses their car due to a natural disaster.
         Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
   to
     increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
     address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
     agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
     Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
    details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
     the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
     that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
         It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
     strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what
   I
     have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
         Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
         Scott & Debi Mead
         Sent from my iPhone
         > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
     <[8]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
         >
         > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
   wondering
     about our
         > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
     especially
  > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
     what would
         > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
     > Larry Stock
         >
         > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
     DeTomaso"
         > <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
         > [10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
         >
         >>  All,
    >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
     concerned
   >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
     so I
   >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
         >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is
   indicated
     by the
         >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
     miles
         >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
     north to
     >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
         >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
     been
         >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
     his house
         >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa
     Rosa
 >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him;
   somehow
     he
         >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m.
     Monday
         >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
     power was
         >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
   they
     jumped
         >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
     and all
         >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
     were
         >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
         >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a
     round
         >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
     owner,
         >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road
     that
         >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
     Many of you
   >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
     Ford GT
         >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
         >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the
   Ford
     GT and
         >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
   away
     but well
         >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
     retrieve
         >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
     returning.  We
         >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
     though the
       >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
   the
     road is
         >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
     house is
         >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
     steep hill
         >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
   fire
     is just
         >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
     hundred
         >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
     home.
         >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
     possible that
      >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
   that
     is FAR
         >>  from certain.
         >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
     eastern
         >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
     fires, a
         >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
     him, he
         >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
     and was
         >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
         >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
     and
         >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
     phone,
         >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
         >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
     They
         >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but
     it
   >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
   I
     don't
         >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
 Pantera
         >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly
     hope
         >>  they would do so).
         >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike
     Russo
         >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
     eyea|:<(
       >>  Mike
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:58:20 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
	<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Julian,

Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and jewelry....

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers.
> 
> 
> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
> 
> 
> Julian
> 
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>  
> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
> 
> Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we 
> all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
> 
> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?) 
> 
> 
> 
> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>  
> Terry W. Himes 
> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> Dawn Spacecraft Team
> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
> Phone: (818) 393-6261
> Cell:  (818) 653-8213
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>  
> 
> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
> 
>     Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 
>     
>     Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 
>     
>     It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
>     
>     Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 
>     
>     Scott & Debi Mead
>     
>     Sent from my iPhone
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>     > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>     > 
>     > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
>     > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
>     > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
>     > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
>     > Larry Stock
>     > 
>     > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
>     > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>     > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>     > 
>     >>  All,
>     >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>     >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>     >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>     >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by the
>     >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>     >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
>     >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
>     >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>     >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
>     >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
>     >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
>     >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
>     >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
>     >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
>     >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and all
>     >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>     >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
>     >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
>     >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
>     >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
>     >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of you
>     >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
>     >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
>   >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT and
>    >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
>   >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
>     >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
>     >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
>   >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
>   >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house is
>    >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
>    >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
>    >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>     >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>     >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
>     >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
>     >>  from certain.
>     >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>     >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>     >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
>     >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
>     >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>     >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>     >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>     >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>   >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
>     >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>     >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
>     >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>     >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>     >>  they would do so).
>     >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
>     >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
>     >>  Mike
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   Julian,

   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....

   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone

   On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.

   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   [6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
       Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.

    Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.

       It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).

      Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.

       Scott & Debi Mead

       Sent from my iPhone

       > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
       >
       > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
   about our
       > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
  > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
 > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
       > Larry Stock
       >
       > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
       > <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
       > [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       >
  >>  All,
       >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
  concerned
       >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
       >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
       >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated
   by the
     >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
    >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
       >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
       >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
       >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
       >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
       >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
 >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
   power was
   >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
 >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
   and all
  >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
      >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
       >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
       >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
       >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
       >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
       >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
       >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
    >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
 >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
       >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
       >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning.  We
       >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
       >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
       >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
       >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
       >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
       >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
       >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
       >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
       >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
       >>  from certain.
       >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
       >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
       >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
   him, he
       >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
       >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
       >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
       >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
       >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
       >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
       >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
       >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I
   don't
       >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
       >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
       >>  they would do so).
       >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
       >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
       >>  Mike
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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:06:12 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
	<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is well prepared with!


Julian

________________________________
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
To: Julian Kift
Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

Julian,

Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and jewelry....

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:


Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers.


As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.


Julian

________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.

Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we
all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.

(note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)



"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
??


On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com<mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com>> wrote:

    Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster.

    Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.

    It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).

    Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.

    Scott & Debi Mead

    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>> wrote:
    >
    > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
    > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
    > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
    > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
    > Larry Stock
    >
    > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
    > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
    > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
    >
    >>  All,
    >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
    >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
    >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
    >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by the
    >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
    >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
    >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
    >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
    >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
    >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
    >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
    >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
    >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
    >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
    >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and all
    >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
    >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
    >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
    >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
    >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
    >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of you
    >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
    >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
    >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT and
    >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
    >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
    >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
    >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
    >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
    >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house is
    >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
    >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
    >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
    >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
    >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
    >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
    >>  from certain.
    >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
    >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
    >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
    >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
    >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
    >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
    >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
    >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
    >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
    >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
    >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
    >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
    >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
    >>  they would do so).
    >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
    >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
    >>  Mike
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   Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
   and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
   well prepared with!

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
   To: Julian Kift
   Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

   Julian,
   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
  On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.

   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [4]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   [6]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [8]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
       Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.

    Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.

       It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).

      Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.

       Scott & Debi Mead

       Sent from my iPhone

       > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
       >
       > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
   about our
       > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
  > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
 > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
       > Larry Stock
       >
       > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
       > <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
       > [11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       >
  >>  All,
       >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
  concerned
       >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
       >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
       >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated
   by the
     >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
    >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
       >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
       >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
       >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
       >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
       >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
 >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
   power was
   >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
 >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
   and all
  >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
      >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
       >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
       >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
       >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
       >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
       >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
       >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
    >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
 >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
       >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
       >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning.  We
       >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
       >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
       >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
       >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
       >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
       >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
       >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
       >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
       >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
       >>  from certain.
       >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
       >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
       >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
   him, he
       >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
       >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
       >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
       >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
       >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
       >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
       >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
       >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I
   don't
       >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
       >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
       >>  they would do so).
       >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
       >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
       >>  Mike
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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:49:51 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
	<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc) into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum of treated water too.

Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars, water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from home. 

But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often than not). 

You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first time when flames are licking against your fences!

Mike

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is well prepared with!
> 
> 
> Julian
> 
> From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: Julian Kift
> Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>  
> Julian,
> 
> Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and jewelry....
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement value with the run of the mill insurers.
>> 
>> 
>> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
>> 
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
>> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
>> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
>>  
>> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
>> 
>> Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written report done by qualified agent,
>> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as you add things (like we 
>> all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
>> 
>> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?) 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>>  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>>  
>> Terry W. Himes 
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Dawn Spacecraft Team
>> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell:     (818) 653-8213
>> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> ??
>>  
>> 
>> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>> 
>>     Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their car due to a natural disaster. 
>>     
>>     Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive. 
>>     
>>     It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
>>     
>>     Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected. 
>>     
>>     Scott & Debi Mead
>>     
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>     
>>     > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>     > 
>>     > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about our
>>    > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
>>    > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what would
>>   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
>>     > Larry Stock
>>     > 
>>     > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
>>     > <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>>     > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>     > 
>>     >>  All,
>>     >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
>>     >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
>>     >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
>>     >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated by the
>>     >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
>>     >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
>>     >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
>>     >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
>>     >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
>>     >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
>>     >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow he
>>     >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
>>     >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His power was
>>     >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
>>     >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home, and all
>>     >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
>>     >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
>>     >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
>>     >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new owner,
>>     >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
>>     >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.  Many of you
>>     >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
>>     >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
>>     >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford GT and
>>     >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
>>     >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
>>     >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.  We
>>     >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
>>     >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
>>     >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his house is
>>   >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
>>   >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
>>   >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
>>     >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
>>     >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
>>  >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
>>    >>  from certain.
>>     >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
>>     >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
>>     >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with him, he
>>     >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
>>     >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
>>     >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
>>     >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
>>     >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
>> >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.  They
>>     >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
>>     >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I don't
>>     >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
>>     >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
>>     >>  they would do so).
>>     >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
>>     >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
>>     >>  Mike
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   Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a
   concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the
  house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc)
   into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so
   I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would
   be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum
   of treated water too.

   Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars,
   water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from
  home.

   But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to
   undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street
  and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the
   garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often
   than not).

   You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first
   time when flames are licking against your fences!

   Mike
   Sent from my iPad

   On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

   Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
   and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
   well prepared with!

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
 To: Julian Kift
   Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
   [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

   Julian,
   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
 wrote:

   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.

   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Himes, Terry (397C) <[6]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [7]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(

   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!  Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea.  I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car.  Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:     (818) 653-8213
   [9]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov

   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [11]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
       Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.

    Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.

       It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).

      Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.

       Scott & Debi Mead

       Sent from my iPhone

       > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[12]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
       >
       > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
   about our
       > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
  > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
 > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
       > Larry Stock
       >
       > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
       > <[13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
       > [14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       >
  >>  All,
       >>  I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
  concerned
       >>  about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
       >>  thought I'd give an update to everyone.
       >>  The attached map shows the burned areas.  My house is indicated
   by the
     >>  blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
    >>  east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >>  south so the fire is burning away from us.
       >>  There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
       >>  affected to various degrees.  Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
       >>  was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
       >>  (on the left side of the map).  We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
       >>  missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
 >>  morning and had literally only one minute to get out.  His
   power was
   >>  out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
 >>  in the cars parked in the street and raced away.  Their home,
   and all
  >>  their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
      >>  reduced to ashes. :<(
       >>  Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
       >>  fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.  Another new
   owner,
       >>  Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
       >>  runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
       >>  met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
       >>  instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
    >>  ordered to evacuate immediately.  He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
 >>  their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
       >>  away from the danger.  They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
       >>  the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning.  We
       >>  have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
       >>  'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
       >>  approaching his house.  His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
       >>  on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
       >>  with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
       >>  on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
       >>  yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
       >>  The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
       >>  his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
       >>  from certain.
       >>  Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
       >>  side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
       >>  mile or so away in either direction.  Last time I spoke with
   him, he
       >>  had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
       >>  hosing down his property with his garden hose.
       >>  Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
       >>  appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
       >>  although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
       >>  Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
       >>  have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
       >>  seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.  I
   don't
       >>  know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
       >>  (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
       >>  they would do so).
       >>  Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
       >>  who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
       >>  Mike
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   4. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
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   6. mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov
   7. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
   8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   9. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
  10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  11. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com
  12. mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com
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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:56:50 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
	<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
Message-ID: <472099A6-CDF0-498E-BF4B-3DC16B77FDCE at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

All,

Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed in the Santa Rosa fire:

http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTHPNNR05796.asp

Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles. 

So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with good reason...it was really a spectacular car. 

Mike
-------------- next part --------------
   All,

   Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed
   in the Santa Rosa fire:

   [1]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/
   RTHPNNR05796.asp

   Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles.

   So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at
   Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with
   good reason...it was really a spectacular car.

   Mike

References

   1. http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR05796/RTHPNNR05796.asp

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Message: 20
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:52:10 -0400
From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Message-ID: <005101d342fc$b8e1e480$2aa5ad80$@jim-kosloskey.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor.  I am indicating my age here.

 

We drove mostly 2 lane roads.

 

Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a double
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of our
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If it
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn signal
when it was safe.

 

This was a common courtesy exchanged then.

 

When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of the
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
friends).

 

When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.

 

Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.

 

I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.

 

Jim Kosloskey

1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949

 

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   Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
   floor.  I am indicating my age here.


   We drove mostly 2 lane roads.


   Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
   double flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck
  driver of our intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his
   left turn signal (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal
   if it was not. If it was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would
   hit the left turn signal when it was safe.


   This was a common courtesy exchanged then.


   When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
   courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
  signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
   the lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family
   and friends).


   When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
   easier.


   Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.


   I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
   consideration I was raised with.


   Jim Kosloskey

   1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949

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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:25:46 -0400
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Message-ID: <000101d34301$6bbd1b20$43375160$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the flash to
indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.

Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make in
the late 70's

"break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Kosloskey
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass

Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor.  I am indicating my age here.

 

We drove mostly 2 lane roads.

 

Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a double
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of our
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If it
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn signal
when it was safe.

 

This was a common courtesy exchanged then.

 

When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of the
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
friends).

 

When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.

 

Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.

 

I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.

 

Jim Kosloskey

1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949

 




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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:47:39 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
Message-ID: <0444732A-B6A0-46D0-853C-B652EDF6EC10 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Guys,

Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow, where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my uneducated guess is that it will stay that way. 

Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had to evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!

So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate danger.  Thank goodness for that!

Mike


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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:17:34 -0400
From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
To: "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,
	<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
Message-ID: <002501d34354$168fe800$43afb800$@jim-kosloskey.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

You are right. 

However, I had a trucker friend tell me it was better to just turn on and of
the headlights as the brights could be blinding when the Trucker was trying
to control his rig and check mirrors. I have tried to do that ever since. 

Since I have begun driving a 40' Motor Home I can attest to that potential
issue (of course I am not a professional driver).

I won't be doing that with the Pantera though - but then again I don't
intend to drive it when headlights are needed.

I too drove some long interstate miles for a number of years and the
truckers by and large were very welcome companions.

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:26 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass

Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the flash to
indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.

Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make in
the late 70's

"break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"

-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Jim Kosloskey
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass

Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
floor.  I am indicating my age here.

 

We drove mostly 2 lane roads.

 

Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a double
flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of our
intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
(USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If it
was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn signal
when it was safe.

 

This was a common courtesy exchanged then.

 

When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of the
lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
friends).

 

When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
easier.

 

Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.

 

I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
consideration I was raised with.

 

Jim Kosloskey

1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949

 


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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:59:49 -0400
From: MARK CHARLTON <pantera01826 at rogers.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
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Thanks for the updates Mike. It is really appreciated.


Mark Charlton
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> On Oct 12, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
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> Guys,
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> Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow, where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my uneducated guess is that it will stay that way. 
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> Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had to evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!
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   3. Re: Valve Cover Gasket ? (MSM Contractors)
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   21. Re: Flash to Pass (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
   22. Re: Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news! (Mike Drew)
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   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:05:29 -0700
   From: Asa Jay Laughton <[6]asajay at asajay.com>
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   If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute
   used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.??
   [10]Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068R? These are black and
   more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.? They hold up
   better than cork.
   To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to
   the valve cover.? On the other side of the gasket, apply your average
   Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to
   spec.? It won't leak, honest.? Then the next time you need to take the
   valve cover off, it will come off easily.? Clean well, re-apply
   Vaseline and bolt back down.
   Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot
   running.
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   If I recall, the Northwest division of the Pantera Research institute
   used Fel-Pro FPG VS50068R gaskets readily available from Napa.A A
   [1][15]Https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/FPBVS50068RA These are black and
   more like a neoprene impregnated cork kind of thing.A They hold up
   better than cork.
   To install, apply your favorite sealer on one side only and attach to
   the valve cover.A On the other side of the gasket, apply your average
   Vaseline product as the sealer and bolt down the cover, torque to
   spec.A It won't leak, honest.A Then the next time you need to take
   the valve cover off, it will come off easily.A Clean well, re-apply
   Vaseline and bolt back down.
   Eventually the gasket will harden but it will take years of hot
   running.
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   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:14:28 -0400
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   I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets. This
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   I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle and
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   From: MSM Contractors <[46]david at msmcontractors.org>
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   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:54:26 -0700
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   I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.? I may try those on
   my next build.? Thank you for the link.
   Asa
   ?Asa? Jay? Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks?
   On Oct 11, 2017, 09:28, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
   <[99]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
   >I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   >gaskets.
   >Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
   >[100]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
   ><[101]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
   >David Finley
   >#3659
   >
   >
   >
   >> I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
   >This
   >> time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the
   >middle
   >> and they have not leaked since.
   >> RobA
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   >Cleveland?
   >> Please
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   I like the looks of those, and no sealer required.A I may try those on
   my next build.A Thank you for the link.
   Asa
   AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
   <[1][118]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
   I use aReal Gasketsa Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   gaskets.
   Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
   [2][119]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
   <[3][120]https://realgas
   kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
   David Finley
   #3659
   I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
   This
   time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
   and they have not leaked since.
   RobA
   On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
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   Please
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   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:57:55 -0500
   From: MSM Contractors <[150]david at msmcontractors.org>
   To: Asa Jay Laughton <[151]asajay at asajay.com>
   Cc: Detomaso Email List <[152]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Valve Cover Gasket ?
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   Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and
   discuss any questions on the phone.
   They enjoy talking with their customers.
   Don?t think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro!
   David Finley
   #3659
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton
   <[154]asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
   >
   > I like the looks of those, and no sealer required. I may try those on
   my next build. Thank you for the link.
   >
   > Asa
   >
   > Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
   > Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
   <[155]david at msmcontractors.org <[156]mailto:david at msmcontractors.org>>
   wrote:
   > I use ?Real Gaskets? Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   gaskets.
   > Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
   > [157]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37
   <[158]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/
   <[159]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37
   <[160]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37>/>
   > David Finley
   > #3659
   >
   >
   >
   > I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
   This
   > time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
   > and they have not leaked since.
   > RobA
   > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
   > <[1][161]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
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   > Please
   > A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
   > A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
   > not be
   > A A ! )
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   Another plus is they are a small company where you can call them and
   discuss any questions on the phone.
   They enjoy talking with their customers.
   Don't think you will get this level of customer service at Fel-pro!
   David Finley
   #3659
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Asa Jay Laughton
   <[1][188]asajay at asajay.com>
   wrote:
   I like the looks of those, and no sealer required. I may try those on
   my next build. Thank you for the link.
   Asa
   Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
   Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 09:28, MSM Contractors
   <[2][189]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
   I use "Real Gaskets" Aircraft grade fiberglass reinforced silicone
   gaskets.
   Good enough for a $50,000 turbo-charged aircraft engine.
   [3][190]https://realgaskets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/
   <[4][191]https://realgas
   kets.com/product/valve-cover-gaskets-37/>
   David Finley
   #3659
   I have had leaks on my engine from both cork and rubber gaskets.A
   This
   time I went with Fel-pro 1636 gaskets which have metal in the middle
   and they have not leaked since.
   RobA
   On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso
   <[1][5][192]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   A A What is the best reusable valve cover gasket for the Cleveland?
   Please
   A A give part # if known. Thanks for any help here.
   A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may
   not be
   A A ! )
   A A Virus-free. [1][2][6][193]www.avast.com
   References
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   Message: 6
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:08:26 -0400
   From: [228]MikeLDrew at aol.com
   To: [229]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <[230]113235.2cfa0417.470faa09 at aol.com>
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   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd give
   an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east from
   the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
   fire
   is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack
   in
   the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   literally only
   one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally
   open
   his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
   Leonard,
   lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the
   Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   Pantera. He
   was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   immediately.
   He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
   then went
   back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
   and it
   seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
   side
   of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
   his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
   a steep
   hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires
   are
   generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
   be
   spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
   away
   in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   property
   with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have
   a
   large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
   moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they
   have
   evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their only
   collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(
   Mike
   -------------- next part --------------
   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   south so the fire is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
   was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
   missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
   out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they jumped
   in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
   their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
   Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you
   met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
   instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and
   ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
   their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but well
   away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
   have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though the
   'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road is
   approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
   on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep hill
   with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible that
   his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
   from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
   had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
   know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   Mike
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   Message: 7
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 10:21:20 -0700
   From: Larry Stock <[232]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   To: <[233]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <[234]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <D603A050.1AA608%[235]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
   Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about
   our
   extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted especially
   Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
   would
   you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   Larry Stock
   On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
   <detomaso-[236]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [237]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   > All,
   > I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   > about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   > thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   > The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
   > blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   > east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   > south so the fire is burning away from us.
   > There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   > affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house
   > was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   > (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
   > missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   > morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
   > out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   > in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
   > their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   > reduced to ashes. :<(
   > Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   > fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
   > Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   > runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
   you
   > met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
   > instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   > ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT and
   > their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   > away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   > the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
   > have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   > 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
   > approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house is
   > on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   > with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   > on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   > yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   > The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   > his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
   > from certain.
   > Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   > side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   > mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
   > had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   > hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   > Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   > appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   > although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   > Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   > have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   > seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
   > know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   > (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   > they would do so).
   > Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   > who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   > Mike
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   Message: 8
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 17:22:56 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <[240]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: Mike Drew <[241]mikeldrew at aol.com>,
   "[242]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[243]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID:
   <[244]MWHPR1801MB18702B942BD4F5295FCCE722954A0 at MWHPR1801MB1870.namprd18
   .prod.outlook.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
   Mike,
   Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our
   fellow De Tomaso friends.
   It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been
   able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that
   some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen
   are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas,
   such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[245]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[246]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
   To: [247]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd give
   an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east from
   the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
   fire
   is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack
   in
   the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   literally only
   one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally
   open
   his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
   Leonard,
   lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the
   Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   Pantera. He
   was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   immediately.
   He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
   then went
   back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
   and it
   seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
   side
   of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
   his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
   a steep
   hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires
   are
   generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
   be
   spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
   away
   in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   property
   with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have
   a
   large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
   moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they
   have
   evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their only
   collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye?:<(
   Mike
   -------------- next part --------------
   Mike,
   Thanks for the update and time spent trying to verify status of our
   fellow De Tomaso friends.
   It is encouraging to hear that everyone (at least those you have been
   able to verify) got out safely, but equally saddening to learn that
   some folks have literally lost everything. The news clips I have seen
   are of fast moving fires and total devastation to the impacted areas,
   such a catastrophe to what was such a beautiful part of the country.
   Julian
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[248]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[249]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
   To: [250]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd give
   an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east from
   the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
   fire
   is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
   smack in
   the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   literally only
   one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to
   normally open
   his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
   Leonard,
   lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at
   the
   Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   Pantera. He
   was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   immediately.
   He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
   then went
   back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
   and it
   seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
   side
   of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley
   and
   his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
   a steep
   hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The
   fires are
   generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
   be
   spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
   away
   in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   property
   with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   have a
   large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
   moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they
   have
   evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their only
   collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye...:<(
   Mike
   ------------------------------
   Message: 9
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:32:48 -0400
   From: "Larry-Ohio Time Corp" <[251]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
   To: <[252]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: [253]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <3C82A56965774592BE06F02FAFCB738F at LarryPCHP>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   Mike,
   I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the
   fires. I
   know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories
   attached
   to that stuff too.
   Few things as devastating in life as this.
   God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.
   Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[254]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf
   Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
   To: [255]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd
   give
   an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east
   from
   the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so the
   fire
   is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was smack
   in
   the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   literally only
   one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to normally
   open
   his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
   Leonard,
   lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at the
   Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   Pantera. He
   was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   immediately.
   He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
   then
   went
   back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
   and
   it
   seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east
   side
   of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and
   his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is
   a
   steep
   hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The fires
   are
   generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home will
   be
   spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or so
   away
   in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   property
   with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They have
   a
   large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to be
   moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they
   have
   evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their
   only
   collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(
   Mike
   ------------------------------
   Message: 10
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:03:29 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <[256]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Larry-Ohio Time Corp <[257]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
   Cc: [258]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <5F0FD259-9208-4664-AF5A-[259]87717124DFF9 at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
   We are getting a lot of help. Driving on the freeway just now I was
   passed by a convoy of 4x4 fire trucks from Eugene Oregon racing towards
   the fire
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 10:32, Larry-Ohio Time Corp
   <[260]Larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:
   >
   > Mike,
   >
   > I too have been worried with all the reports on the news about the
   fires. I
   > know they are only things, but they are also a lifetime of memories
   attached
   > to that stuff too.
   >
   > Few things as devastating in life as this.
   >
   > God Bless the residents and all of the first responders helping out.
   >
   > Larry (Homolak) - Cleveland
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [[261]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf
   > Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:08 PM
   > To: [262]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   >
   > All,
   >
   > I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about
   > the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I thought
   I'd
   > give
   > an update to everyone.
   >
   > The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by the
   > blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east
   > from
   > the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to south so
   the fire
   >
   > is burning away from us.
   >
   > There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected
   > to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his house was
   smack in
   > the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa (on the left
   side
   > of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he missed the first
   > notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and had
   > literally only
   > one minute to get out. His power was out so he wasn't able to
   normally
   > open
   > his garage door, so they jumped in the cars parked in the street and
   raced
   > away. Their home, and all their nice cars including their beautiful
   > big-block Pantera, were reduced to ashes. :<(
   >
   > Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire
   > symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner, Tom
   > Leonard,
   > lives right in between those two fires on the road that runs directly
   > north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of you met him at
   the
   > Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT instead of his
   > Pantera. He
   > was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning and ordered to evacuate
   > immediately.
   > He and his wife took the Ford GT and their pickup truck and fled to
   > Petaluma, not all that far away but well away from the danger. They
   then
   > went
   > back in the pickup to retrieve the Pantera, but the authorities
   prevented
   > them from returning. We have been watching the fire maps constantly,
   and
   > it
   > seems as though the 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the
   east side
   >
   > of the road is approaching his house. His road is in a small valley
   and
   > his house is on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there
   is a
   > steep
   > hill with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
   > on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards
   > from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home. The
   fires
   > are
   > generally moving south so it seems at least possible that his home
   will be
   > spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR from certain.
   >
   > Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of
   > Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a mile or
   so away
   > in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he had backed his
   > Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was hosing down his
   > property
   > with his garden hose.
   >
   > Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to
   > be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone, although he did
   post
   > about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >
   > Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   have a
   > large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it seems to
   be
   > moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't know if they
   have
   > evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera (although as it is
   their
   > only
   > collector car, I would certainly hope they would do so).
   >
   > Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who
   > literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eye.:<(
   >
   > Mike
   >
   >
   >
   ------------------------------
   Message: 11
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:34:58 -0500
   From: Scott Mead Photography <[263]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
   To: Larry Stock <[264]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: [265]MikeLDrew at aol.com, [266]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID:
   <2DD401F8-5A0B-4466-8C6F-[267]02E1533F59B5 at scottmeadphotography.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers
   and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their
   car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[268]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about
   our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
   would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
   > <detomaso-[269]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > [270]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >> All,
   >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
   the
   >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
   >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
   >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
   >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
   >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
   you
   >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
   GT
   >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
   >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
   >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
   >> from certain.
   >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
   >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
   >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   >> they would do so).
   >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   >> Mike
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   Message: 12
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:00:06 +0000 (UTC)
   From: Ken Green <[275]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   To: "[276]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[277]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
   "[278]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[279]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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   We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning
   and?there are a lot of?untouched houses next to houses burned to the
   ground.? I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the
   attic are the difference.? It's probably a good idea to make sure there
   are no openings allowing the embers in.
   Ken
   From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[281]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   To: [282]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   ? All,
   ? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   ? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   ? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   ? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is indicated by
   the
   ? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   ? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   ? south so the fire is burning away from us.
   ? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   ? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   ? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   ? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him; somehow he
   ? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   ? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His power was
   ? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   ? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home, and all
   ? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   ? reduced to ashes. :<(
   ? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   ? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new owner,
   ? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   ? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.? Many of
   you
   ? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
   ? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   ? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   ? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   ? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   ? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.? We
   ? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   ? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
   ? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   ? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   ? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   ? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   ? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   ? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   ? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
   ? from certain.
   ? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   ? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   ? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with him, he
   ? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   ? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   ? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   ? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   ? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   ? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.? They
   ? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   ? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.? I don't
   ? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   ? (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   ? they would do so).
   ? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   ? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   ? Mike
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   We were watching the coverage of the Orange County fires this morning
   and there are a lot of untouched houses next to houses burned to the
   ground. I'm not sure, but we suspect that embers that get into the
   attic are the difference. It's probably a good idea to make sure there
   are no openings allowing the embers in.
   Ken
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[285]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   To: [286]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:08 AM
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   All,
   I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
   the
   blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   south so the fire is burning away from us.
   There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
   missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
   out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
   their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   reduced to ashes. :<(
   Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
   Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
   you
   met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford GT
   instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
   have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
   approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is FAR
   from certain.
   Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
   had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
   know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   they would do so).
   Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike Russo
   who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   Mike
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   Message: 13
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:27:15 +0000
   From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[291]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   To: Scott Mead Photography <[292]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry
   Stock <[293]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: "[294]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[295]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
   "[296]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[297]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <6CC629CC-7B9B-4DF9-BB1B-[298]B91CBE1EB6AC at jpl.nasa.gov>
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   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [299]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   ??
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-[300]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [301]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers
   and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their
   car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[302]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about
   our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
   would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
   > <detomaso-[303]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > [304]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >> All,
   >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
   the
   >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
   >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
   >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
   >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
   >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
   you
   >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
   GT
   >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
   >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
   >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
   >> from certain.
   >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
   >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
   >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   >> they would do so).
   >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   >> Mike
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   Message: 14
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:38:48 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <[311]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[312]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead
   Photography <[313]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock
   <[314]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: "[315]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[316]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
   "[317]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[318]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
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   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[320]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[321]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [322]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [323]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [324]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   ??
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-[325]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [326]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers
   and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their
   car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[327]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about
   our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
   would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
   > <detomaso-[328]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > [329]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >> All,
   >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
   the
   >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
   >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
   >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
   >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
   >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
   you
   >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
   GT
   >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
   >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
   >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
   >> from certain.
   >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
   >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
   >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   >> they would do so).
   >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   >> Mike
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   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   Julian
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[342]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   Himes, Terry (397C) <[343]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [344]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [345]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [346]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-[347]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [348]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[349]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
   about our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
   > <detomaso-[350]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > [351]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >> All,
   >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
   >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
   >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
   by the
   >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
   >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
   >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
   >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
   >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
   >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
   power was
   >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
   and all
   >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
   >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
   >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
   owner,
   >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
   >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
   >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
   >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
   >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
   >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
   >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning. We
   >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
   >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
   >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
   >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
   >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
   >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
   >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
   >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
   >> from certain.
   >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
   >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
   >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
   him, he
   >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
   >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
   >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
   >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
   >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
   don't
   >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
   >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
   >> they would do so).
   >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
   >> Mike
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   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 20:07:05 +0000 (UTC)
   From: Dennis Valdez <[368]sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com>
   To: Julian Kift <[369]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, "Himes, Terry (397C)"
   <[370]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Scott Mead Photography
   <[371]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Larry Stock
   <[372]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: "[373]MikeLDrew at aol.com" <[374]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
   "[375]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[376]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <[377]771130712.36164.1507752425860 at mail.yahoo.com>
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   Thank you Mike,
   This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area.? We had a
   beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak.? We noticed how
   unusually strong the wind was that day.? Sunday evening went to bed
   after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm.?
   ?By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.?
   These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.??
   God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first
   responders trying to get a handle on this beast.
   On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift
   <[378]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   ? Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   ? policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   ? your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   ? furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   ? valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   ? value with the run of the mill insurers.
   ? As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   ? have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
   prepare
   ? such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   ? collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
   to
   ? remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   ? Julian
   ? ? __________________________________________________________________
   ? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[379]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   ? Himes, Terry (397C) <[380]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   ? Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   ? To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   ? Cc: [381]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [382]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   ? Words of Wisdom everyone should heed!? Thanks Scott.
   ? Video is a great idea.? I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   ? report done by qualified agent,
   ? who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as
   ? you add things (like we
   ? all do) to your car.? Going to do a video tonight.
   ? (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   ? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   ? ? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   ? Terry W. Himes
   ? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   ? Dawn Spacecraft Team
   ? Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   ? Phone: (818) 393-6261
   ? Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213
   ? [383]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   ? On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   ? <detomaso-[384]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   ? [385]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   ? ? ? Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   ? brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   ? loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   ? ? ? Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
   to
   ? increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   ? address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   ? agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   ? Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   ? details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   ? the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   ? that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   ? ? ? It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   ? strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what
   I
   ? have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   ? ? ? Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   ? ? ? Scott & Debi Mead
   ? ? ? Sent from my iPhone
   ? ? ? > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   ? <[386]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
   wondering
   ? about our
   ? ? ? > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   ? especially
   ? ? ? > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   ? what would
   ? ? ? > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   ? ? ? > Larry Stock
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   ? DeTomaso"
   ? ? ? > <detomaso-[387]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   ? ? ? > [388]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   ? ? ? >
   ? ? ? >>? All,
   ? ? ? >>? I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   ? concerned
   ? ? ? >>? about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   ? so I
   ? ? ? >>? thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   ? ? ? >>? The attached map shows the burned areas.? My house is
   indicated
   ? by the
   ? ? ? >>? blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   ? miles
   ? ? ? >>? east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   ? north to
   ? ? ? >>? south so the fire is burning away from us.
   ? ? ? >>? There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   ? been
   ? ? ? >>? affected to various degrees.? Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   ? his house
   ? ? ? >>? was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa
   ? Rosa
   ? ? ? >>? (on the left side of the map).? We just spoke with him;
   somehow
   ? he
   ? ? ? >>? missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m.
   ? Monday
   ? ? ? >>? morning and had literally only one minute to get out.? His
   ? power was
   ? ? ? >>? out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
   they
   ? jumped
   ? ? ? >>? in the cars parked in the street and raced away.? Their home,
   ? and all
   ? ? ? >>? their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   ? were
   ? ? ? >>? reduced to ashes. :<(
   ? ? ? >>? Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a
   ? round
   ? ? ? >>? fire symbol pictured in between them on the map.? Another new
   ? owner,
   ? ? ? >>? Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road
   ? that
   ? ? ? >>? runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   ? Many of you
   ? ? ? >>? met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   ? Ford GT
   ? ? ? >>? instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   ? morning and
   ? ? ? >>? ordered to evacuate immediately.? He and his wife took the
   Ford
   ? GT and
   ? ? ? >>? their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
   away
   ? but well
   ? ? ? >>? away from the danger.? They then went back in the pickup to
   ? retrieve
   ? ? ? >>? the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   ? returning.? We
   ? ? ? >>? have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   ? though the
   ? ? ? >>? 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
   the
   ? road is
   ? ? ? >>? approaching his house.? His road is in a small valley and his
   ? house is
   ? ? ? >>? on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   ? steep hill
   ? ? ? >>? with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
   fire
   ? is just
   ? ? ? >>? on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   ? hundred
   ? ? ? >>? yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   ? home.
   ? ? ? >>? The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   ? possible that
   ? ? ? >>? his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
   that
   ? is FAR
   ? ? ? >>? from certain.
   ? ? ? >>? Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   ? eastern
   ? ? ? >>? side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   ? fires, a
   ? ? ? >>? mile or so away in either direction.? Last time I spoke with
   ? him, he
   ? ? ? >>? had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   ? and was
   ? ? ? >>? hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   ? ? ? >>? Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   ? and
   ? ? ? >>? appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   ? phone,
   ? ? ? >>? although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   ? ? ? >>? Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   ? They
   ? ? ? >>? have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but
   ? it
   ? ? ? >>? seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.?
   I
   ? don't
   ? ? ? >>? know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   ? Pantera
   ? ? ? >>? (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly
   ? hope
   ? ? ? >>? they would do so).
   ? ? ? >>? Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike
   ? Russo
   ? ? ? >>? who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   ? eyea|:<(
   ? ? ? >>? Mike
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   Thank you Mike,
   This is such a tragedy for all the people in the area. We had a
   beautiful day on Sunday hiking to Mission Peak. We noticed how
   unusually strong the wind was that day. Sunday evening went to bed
   after the news that some had spotted the fires starting at about 10pm.
   By Monday morning we heard of the devastation happening overnight.
   These fires have expanded extremely fast due to the high winds.
   God bless everyone affected and those fire fighters and first
   responders trying to get a handle on this beast.
   On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:39 PM, Julian Kift
   <[408]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to
   prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me
   to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   Julian
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-[409]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   Himes, Terry (397C) <[2][410]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [3][411]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [4][412]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [5][413]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <[6]detomaso-[414]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [7][415]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy)
   to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what
   I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[8][416]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been
   wondering
   about our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
   > <[9]detomaso-[417]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > [10][418]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >> All,
   >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
   >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
   >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is
   indicated
   by the
   >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
   >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
   >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
   >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of
   Santa
   Rosa
   >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him;
   somehow
   he
   >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00
   a.m.
   Monday
   >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
   power was
   >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so
   they
   jumped
   >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
   and all
   >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
   >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with
   a
   round
   >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
   owner,
   >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the
   road
   that
   >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
   >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
   >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
   >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the
   Ford
   GT and
   >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far
   away
   but well
   >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning. We
   >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
   >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of
   the
   road is
   >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
   >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
   >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the
   fire
   is just
   >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
   >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
   >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but
   that
   is FAR
   >> from certain.
   >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
   >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
   >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
   him, he
   >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
   >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
   >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
   >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
   >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away,
   but
   it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now.
   I
   don't
   >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
   >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would
   certainly
   hope
   >> they would do so).
   >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to
   Mike
   Russo
   >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
   >> Mike
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   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 13:58:20 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <[468]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Julian Kift <[469]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: "[470]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[471]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <4650A714-9F3F-44E6-8C34-[472]BFD402CFCE1D at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Julian,
   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[473]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   >
   >
   > As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   >
   >
   > Julian
   >
   > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[474]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[475]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   > To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   > Cc: [476]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [477]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   >
   > Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   >
   > Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   > who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as you add things (like we
   > all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   >
   > (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   >
   >
   >
   > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >
   > Terry W. Himes
   > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   > Dawn Spacecraft Team
   > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   > Phone: (818) 393-6261
   > Cell: (818) 653-8213
   > [478]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   > ??
   >
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-[479]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [480]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   >
   > Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   >
   > Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   >
   > It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   >
   > Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   >
   > Scott & Debi Mead
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[481]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   > >
   > > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
   about our
   > > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
   would
   > > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > > Larry Stock
   > >
   > > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
   > > <detomaso-[482]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > > [483]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   > >
   > >> All,
   > >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   > >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   > >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   > >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
   the
   > >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
   > >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north
   to
   > >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   > >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   > >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   > >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
   > >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
   > >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   > >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power
   was
   > >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   > >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and
   all
   > >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   > >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   > >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
   > >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
   owner,
   > >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
   > >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
   you
   > >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
   GT
   > >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
   > >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   > >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   > >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   > >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
   > >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
   > >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
   > >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   > >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   > >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   > >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   > >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
   > >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   > >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
   > >> from certain.
   > >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
   > >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires,
   a
   > >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him,
   he
   > >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and
   was
   > >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   > >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   > >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   > >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   > >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   > >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   > >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
   don't
   > >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   > >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
   > >> they would do so).
   > >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   > >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   > >> Mike
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   Julian,
   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift
   <[1][492]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   Julian
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-[493]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
   of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3][494]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [4][495]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5][496]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [6][497]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <[7]detomaso-[498]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [8][499]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[9][500]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
   about our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
   > <[10]detomaso-[501]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > [11][502]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >> All,
   >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
   >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
   >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
   by the
   >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
   >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
   >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
   >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
   >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
   >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
   power was
   >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
   and all
   >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
   >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
   >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
   owner,
   >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
   >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
   >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
   >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
   >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
   >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
   >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning. We
   >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
   >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
   >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
   >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
   >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
   >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
   >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
   >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
   >> from certain.
   >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
   >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
   >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
   him, he
   >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
   >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
   >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
   >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
   >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
   don't
   >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
   >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
   >> they would do so).
   >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
   >> Mike
   >> _______________________________________________
   >>
   >>
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   Message: 17
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:06:12 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <[538]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: Mike Drew <[539]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: "[540]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[541]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID:
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   Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
   and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
   well prepared with!
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: Mike Drew <[543]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
   To: Julian Kift
   Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
   [544]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Julian,
   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift
   <[545]julian_kift at hotmail.com<[546]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
   wrote:
   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso
   <detomaso-[547]bounces at server.detomasolist.com<[548]mailto:detomaso-bou
   nces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C)
   <[549]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov<[550]mailto:terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [551]MikeLDrew at aol.com<[552]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
   [553]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[554]mailto:detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [555]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov<[556]mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   ??
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <detomaso-[557]bounces at server.detomasolist.com<[558]mailto:detomaso-bou
   nces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   [559]scott at scottmeadphotography.com<[560]mailto:scott at scottmeadphotogra
   phy.com>> wrote:
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera brothers
   and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who loses their
   car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[561]larrys at panteraparts.com<[562]mailto:larrys at panteraparts.com>>
   wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering about
   our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
   would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
   >
   <detomaso-[563]bounces at server.detomasolist.com<[564]mailto:detomaso-bou
   nces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   >
   [565]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com<[566]mailto:detomaso at server.detom
   asolist.com>> wrote:
   >
   >> All,
   >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners concerned
   >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so I
   >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
   the
   >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12 miles
   >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north to
   >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have been
   >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa Rosa
   >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
   >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power was
   >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and all
   >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a round
   >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new owner,
   >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road that
   >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many of
   you
   >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his Ford
   GT
   >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday morning
   and
   >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away but
   well
   >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to retrieve
   >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning. We
   >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as though
   the
   >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the road
   is
   >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his house
   is
   >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his home.
   >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least possible
   that
   >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
   >> from certain.
   >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the eastern
   >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires, a
   >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him, he
   >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and was
   >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29. They
   >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I don't
   >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their Pantera
   >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly hope
   >> they would do so).
   >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an eyea|:<(
   >> Mike
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   Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
   and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
   well prepared with!
   Julian
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: Mike Drew <[587]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
   To: Julian Kift
   Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
   [588]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Julian,
   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift
   <[1][589]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   Julian
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-[590]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
   of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3][591]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [4][592]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [5][593]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [6][594]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <[7]detomaso-[595]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [8][596]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[9][597]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
   about our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
   > <[10]detomaso-[598]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > [11][599]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >> All,
   >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
   >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
   >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
   by the
   >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
   >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
   >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
   >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
   >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
   >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
   power was
   >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
   and all
   >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
   >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
   >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
   owner,
   >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
   >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
   >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
   >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
   >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
   >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
   >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning. We
   >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
   >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
   >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
   >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
   >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
   >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
   >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
   >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
   >> from certain.
   >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
   >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
   >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
   him, he
   >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
   >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
   >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
   >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
   >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
   don't
   >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
   >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
   >> they would do so).
   >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
   >> Mike
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   Message: 18
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:49:51 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <[635]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Julian Kift <[636]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: "[637]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[638]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <C44AE8CB-8C60-46D7-865B-[639]96A3459D0B1B at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a
   concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the
   house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc)
   into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so
   I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would
   be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum
   of treated water too.
   Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars,
   water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from
   home.
   But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to
   undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street
   and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the
   garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often
   than not).
   You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first
   time when flames are licking against your fences!
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift <[640]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
   and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
   well prepared with!
   >
   >
   > Julian
   >
   > From: Mike Drew <[641]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
   > To: Julian Kift
   > Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
   [642]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   >
   > Julian,
   >
   > Another important point: unless you have special riders on your
   policy, normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from
   homeowners insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people
   evacuate, besides important documents and mementos, they normally take
   their guns and jewelry....
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPhone
   >
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift <[643]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   >> Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   >>
   >>
   >> As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   >>
   >>
   >> Julian
   >>
   >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[644]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[645]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   >> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   >> To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   >> Cc: [646]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [647]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   >>
   >> Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   >>
   >> Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   >> who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update
   as you add things (like we
   >> all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   >>
   >> (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my ?agreed-value?)
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   >>
   >> Terry W. Himes
   >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   >> Dawn Spacecraft Team
   >> Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   >> Phone: (818) 393-6261
   >> Cell: (818) 653-8213
   >> [648]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   >> ??
   >>
   >>
   >> On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead
   Photography" <detomaso-[649]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
   of [650]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   >>
   >> Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   >>
   >> It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   >>
   >> Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   >>
   >> Scott & Debi Mead
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPhone
   >>
   >> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[651]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >> >
   >> > Thank You Mike for this update, I?m sure we have been wondering
   about our
   >> > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   >> > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment, what
   would
   >> > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   >> > Larry Stock
   >> >
   >> > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
   >> > <detomaso-[652]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   >> > [653]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >> >
   >> >> All,
   >> >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
   >> >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house, so
   I
   >> >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated by
   the
   >> >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
   >> >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from north
   to
   >> >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
   >> >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and his
   house
   >> >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
   >> >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow he
   >> >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >> >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His power
   was
   >> >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >> >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home, and
   all
   >> >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera, were
   >> >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
   >> >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
   owner,
   >> >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
   >> >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen. Many
   of you
   >> >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
   >> >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
   >> >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford GT
   and
   >> >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
   >> >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >> >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from returning.
   We
   >> >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
   >> >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
   >> >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
   >> >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a steep
   hill
   >> >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire is
   just
   >> >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
   >> >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
   >> >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
   >> >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that is
   FAR
   >> >> from certain.
   >> >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
   >> >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two fires,
   a
   >> >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with him,
   he
   >> >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway, and
   was
   >> >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116, and
   >> >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his phone,
   >> >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
   >> >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
   >> >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
   don't
   >> >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
   >> >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
   >> >> they would do so).
   >> >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >> >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
   >> >> Mike
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   Oh yes, for sure. After the storms in Texas and Florida we made a
   concerted effort to organize the stuff we had scattered around the
   house (flashlights, batteries, radio, tent, sleeping bags, MREs, etc)
   into a consolidated pile right by the bedroom door to the back yard, so
   I. The event of a big-ass earthquake that wiled out the house, we would
   be able to survive in the yard for quite awhile. Got a 55-gallon drum
   of treated water too.
   Her cars also have mini bug-out bags with space blankets, granola bars,
   water, etc. because stuff can easily go down when you are away from
   home.
   But fire evacuation is an entirely different story. We are about to
   undertake a drill where she has to push some Sciroccos into the street
   and motorcycles out of the way to get her Pantera out of the
   garage--prepared to evacuate if I'm not around (which is more often
   than not).
   You don't want to be thinking about that sort of thing for the first
   time when flames are licking against your fences!
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 14:06, Julian Kift
   <[1][662]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   Thanks Mike, very good point, have all the important stuff in a 'grab
   and go' bag, which from a not too distant conversation I recall Lori is
   well prepared with!
   Julian
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: Mike Drew <[2][663]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:58 PM
   To: Julian Kift
   Cc: Himes, Terry (397C); Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock;
   [3][664]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Julian,
   Another important point: unless you have special riders on your policy,
   normally firearms and jewelry are specifically excluded from homeowners
   insurance coverage. That's one reason why when people evacuate, besides
   important documents and mementos, they normally take their guns and
   jewelry....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:38, Julian Kift
   <[4][665]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   Perhaps of limited value if our classic cars are on an agreed value
   policy? That said it is definitely invaluable to do a walk through of
   your home and garage documenting as much as you can regarding
   furniture, clothes, art, tools, spares etc. with emphasis on any
   valuables, this is where the 'fight' will ensue regarding replacement
   value with the run of the mill insurers.
   As most of my early career was international assignments we used to
   have a good inventory list of every item we owned having had to prepare
   such for customs/importation. It's been 12 years in one spot and I've
   collected a lot of 'stuff' it would now be almost impossible for me to
   remember what I had after the fact, should the worst happen.
   Julian
   __________________________________________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-[666]bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
   of Himes, Terry (397C) <[6][667]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:27 PM
   To: Scott Mead Photography; Larry Stock
   Cc: [7][668]MikeLDrew at aol.com; [8][669]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Words of Wisdom everyone should heed! Thanks Scott.
   Video is a great idea. I had mine inspected, certified and a written
   report done by qualified agent,
   who was also a Pantera owner. But it is something you need to update as
   you add things (like we
   all do) to your car. Going to do a video tonight.
   (note to self. Call Haggerty. Update my "agreed-value")
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell: (818) 653-8213
   [9][670]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   On 10/11/17, 11:34 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
   <[10]detomaso-[671]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [11][672]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
   Thanks, Mike and all, for the updates on our affected Pantera
   brothers and sisters. My heart aches for Mike Russo - or anyone who
   loses their car due to a natural disaster.
   Call it coincidence, but I called my insurance carrier (Grundy) to
   increase the agreed-upon value of the car and to change the garage
   address last week. Besides asking for updated photos of the car, the
   agent proffered some good advice: Take an extensive video of the
   Pantera on a smart phone, being sure to show all the upgrades and
   details you've done (including any invoices). Once you've documented
   the car, upload the file to a thumb drive and send it to a relative
   that does not live near you, or upload it to a "cloud" drive.
   It may not give any of us any additional peace of mind (disasters
   strike at whim), but at least my insurance company knows exactly what I
   have, and I could replicate the car if need be (God forbid).
   Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected.
   Scott & Debi Mead
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Larry Stock
   <[12][673]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > Thank You Mike for this update, I^1m sure we have been wondering
   about our
   > extended family members. My heart goes out to those impacted
   especially
   > Mike Russo, how tragic for them. Think about it for a moment,
   what would
   > you do or say? Everything just poof! Keep us all posted.
   > Larry Stock
   >
   > On 10/11/17, 10:08 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via
   DeTomaso"
   > <[13]detomaso-[674]bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   > [14][675]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   >> All,
   >> I've received a number of inquiries from European owners
   concerned
   >> about the massive wildfires burning relatively near my house,
   so I
   >> thought I'd give an update to everyone.
   >> The attached map shows the burned areas. My house is indicated
   by the
   >> blue dot in the center right area of the map; we are about 12
   miles
   >> east from the nearest fire, and the winds have shifted from
   north to
   >> south so the fire is burning away from us.
   >> There are numerous PCNC members living in the region who have
   been
   >> affected to various degrees. Mike Russo is a new owner, and
   his house
   >> was smack in the middle of the large fire region north of Santa
   Rosa
   >> (on the left side of the map). We just spoke with him; somehow
   he
   >> missed the first notifications and he was awakened at 5:00 a.m.
   Monday
   >> morning and had literally only one minute to get out. His
   power was
   >> out so he wasn't able to normally open his garage door, so they
   jumped
   >> in the cars parked in the street and raced away. Their home,
   and all
   >> their nice cars including their beautiful big-block Pantera,
   were
   >> reduced to ashes. :<(
   >> Just to the southwest, there are two medium-sized fires with a
   round
   >> fire symbol pictured in between them on the map. Another new
   owner,
   >> Tom Leonard, lives right in between those two fires on the road
   that
   >> runs directly north-south, outside the town of Glen Ellen.
   Many of you
   >> met him at the Monterey POCA Fun Rally, as he was driving his
   Ford GT
   >> instead of his Pantera. He was awakened at 5:00 a.m. Monday
   morning and
   >> ordered to evacuate immediately. He and his wife took the Ford
   GT and
   >> their pickup truck and fled to Petaluma, not all that far away
   but well
   >> away from the danger. They then went back in the pickup to
   retrieve
   >> the Pantera, but the authorities prevented them from
   returning. We
   >> have been watching the fire maps constantly, and it seems as
   though the
   >> 'bulge' on the western edge of the fire on the east side of the
   road is
   >> approaching his house. His road is in a small valley and his
   house is
   >> on the hillside on the eastern side of the road; there is a
   steep hill
   >> with a mansion at the top of it behind his house, and the fire
   is just
   >> on the other side of the hill, on the eastern slope, a few
   hundred
   >> yards from the mansion, which is a few hundred yards from his
   home.
   >> The fires are generally moving south so it seems at least
   possible that
   >> his home will be spared and his Pantera will survive, but that
   is FAR
   >> from certain.
   >> Chuck and Lori Banks live near the large grassy area on the
   eastern
   >> side of Santa Rosa; they are about equidistant between two
   fires, a
   >> mile or so away in either direction. Last time I spoke with
   him, he
   >> had backed his Pantera out and was poised to make a getaway,
   and was
   >> hosing down his property with his garden hose.
   >> Ron Southern lives on the west side of Sonoma, near Hwy 116,
   and
   >> appears to be relatively safe, but he's not answering his
   phone,
   >> although he did post about Tom on the PI forum yesterday.
   >> Mike and Nancy Haney live in Napa on the west side of Hwy 29.
   They
   >> have a large fire on the hill behind them a few miles away, but
   it
   >> seems to be moving south so they are probably safe for now. I
   don't
   >> know if they have evacuated, and if so, if they took their
   Pantera
   >> (although as it is their only collector car, I would certainly
   hope
   >> they would do so).
   >> Our thoughts go out to all these people, but especially to Mike
   Russo
   >> who literally lost everything he owned in the blink of an
   eyea|:<(
   >> Mike
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   Message: 19
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 14:56:50 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <[714]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Julian Kift <[715]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: "[716]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
   <[717]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update :<(
   Message-ID: <472099A6-CDF0-498E-BF4B-[718]3DC16B77FDCE at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   All,
   Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed
   in the Santa Rosa fire:
   [719]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR0579
   6/RTHPNNR05796.asp
   Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles.
   So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at
   Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with
   good reason...it was really a spectacular car.
   Mike
   -------------- next part --------------
   All,
   Here is the registry entry for Mike Musso's Pantera which was destroyed
   in the Santa Rosa fire:
   [1][720]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR0
   5796/
   RTHPNNR05796.asp
   Also featured in the 2008 No. 3 POCA Profiles.
   So sad...Mike just bought it a year and a half or so ago, showed it at
   Concorso Italiano last year and was incredibly excited about it, with
   good reason...it was really a spectacular car.
   Mike
   References
   1.
   [721]http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/RTHPNNR0579
   6/RTHPNNR05796.asp
   ------------------------------
   Message: 20
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:52:10 -0400
   From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
   To: <[722]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Message-ID: <005101d342fc$b8e1e480$2aa5ad80$@jim-kosloskey.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
   floor. I am indicating my age here.
   We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
   Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
   double
   flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of
   our
   intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
   (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If
   it
   was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn
   signal
   when it was safe.
   This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
   When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
   courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
   signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
   the
   lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
   friends).
   When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
   easier.
   Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
   I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
   consideration I was raised with.
   Jim Kosloskey
   1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
   -------------- next part --------------
   Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
   floor. I am indicating my age here.
   We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
   Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
   double flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck
   driver of our intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his
   left turn signal (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal
   if it was not. If it was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would
   hit the left turn signal when it was safe.
   This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
   When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
   courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
   signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
   the lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family
   and friends).
   When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
   easier.
   Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
   I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
   consideration I was raised with.
   Jim Kosloskey
   1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
   ------------------------------
   Message: 21
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 22:25:46 -0400
   From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[723]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   To: <[724]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Message-ID: <000101d34301$6bbd1b20$43375160$@com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the
   flash to
   indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.
   Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make
   in
   the late 70's
   "break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[725]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf
   Of Jim Kosloskey
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
   To: [726]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
   floor. I am indicating my age here.
   We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
   Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
   double
   flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of
   our
   intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
   (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If
   it
   was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn
   signal
   when it was safe.
   This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
   When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
   courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
   signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
   the
   lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
   friends).
   When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
   easier.
   Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
   I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
   consideration I was raised with.
   Jim Kosloskey
   1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
   ------------------------------
   Message: 22
   Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 21:47:39 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <[727]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: De Tomaso Forum <[728]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
   Message-ID: <0444732A-B6A0-46D0-853C-[729]B652EDF6EC10 at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
   Guys,
   Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow,
   where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now
   safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for
   things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn
   and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my
   uneducated guess is that it will stay that way.
   Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had to
   evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!
   So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate
   danger. Thank goodness for that!
   Mike
   ------------------------------
   Message: 23
   Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:17:34 -0400
   From: "Jim Kosloskey" <jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com>
   To: "'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'" <[730]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>,
   <[731]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Message-ID: <002501d34354$168fe800$43afb800$@jim-kosloskey.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
   You are right.
   However, I had a trucker friend tell me it was better to just turn on
   and of
   the headlights as the brights could be blinding when the Trucker was
   trying
   to control his rig and check mirrors. I have tried to do that ever
   since.
   Since I have begun driving a 40' Motor Home I can attest to that
   potential
   issue (of course I am not a professional driver).
   I won't be doing that with the Pantera though - but then again I don't
   intend to drive it when headlights are needed.
   I too drove some long interstate miles for a number of years and the
   truckers by and large were very welcome companions.
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[732]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf
   Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:26 PM
   To: [733]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Another courtesy that got a car on good terms with truckers was the
   flash to
   indicate he was clear to come back into your lane after he passed.
   Gosh...got me reminiscing about the long interstate runs I use to make
   in
   the late 70's
   "break 19, Grey Charger west bound and down!"
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [[734]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf
   Of Jim Kosloskey
   Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 21:52 PM
   To: [735]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Flash to Pass
   Back when I started driving (circa 1960), the hi-beam switch was on the
   floor. I am indicating my age here.
   We drove mostly 2 lane roads.
   Besides using the hi-beams for the normal function, we would use a
   double
   flash when driving behind a semi. This would alert the truck driver of
   our
   intent to pass. The Semi driver would then turn on his left turn signal
   (USA) if it was safe to pass or the right turn signal if it was not. If
   it
   was not safe to pass, then the semi driver would hit the left turn
   signal
   when it was safe.
   This was a common courtesy exchanged then.
   When driving on 4 lane we hit the headlights for a double flash as a
   courtesy and safety signal we were about to pass. Not all cars had turn
   signals but even when they did the habit continued along with use of
   the
   lane change signal (at least it did for me and most of my family and
   friends).
   When the stalk hi-beam control came into being the double flash became
   easier.
   Rarely was the double flashed to indicate someone was driving too slow.
   I still do not use my hi-beams to indicate someone is going too slow. A
   consideration I was raised with.
   Jim Kosloskey
   1974 Pantera L Yellow #6949
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   Message: 24
   Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2017 09:59:49 -0400
   From: MARK CHARLTON <[738]pantera01826 at rogers.com>
   To: Mike Drew <[739]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[740]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nor-Cal Pantera fire update--some GOOD news!
   Message-ID: <913661DD-C233-4CC4-8DDF-[741]4287FE87DEF7 at rogers.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
   Thanks for the updates Mike. It is really appreciated.
   Mark Charlton
   [742]pantera01826 at rogers.com
   > On Oct 12, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[743]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   > Guys,
   >
   > Quick update--Tom Leonard was able to get back to his house somehow,
   where he fired up his Pantera and hustled it out of there. It's now
   safe and sound at a car dealership next to his Ford GT, waiting for
   things to settle out. It's still not certain that the fire won't turn
   and consume his home, but at least it's okay at the moment, and my
   uneducated guess is that it will stay that way.
   >
   > Mike Haney contacted me too and said they are okay, but if they had
   to evacuate the Pantera would certainly not be left behind!
   >
   > So for now, it appears nobody else from our community is in immediate
   danger. Thank goodness for that!
   >
   > Mike
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