[DeTomaso] Techno question: Cleveland oil pump

Wed Oct 4 06:37:47 EDT 2017

As for the power it needs, my 400W drill really struggles when I use it 
to prime the oiling system. I can only run it in short bursts before it 
starts to smell hot electronics.

/Thomas

Den 2017-10-04 kl. 10:07, skrev Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso:
>     When I was looking for a lightweight oil pump for my Fontana block many
>     years ago, I borrowed pumps from a Ford 302, a 351-W, a 390/427 FE and
>     a 460. The gearotors all were the same diameter but the thickness was
>     greatest in the 351-C. The pump body was large & heavy since Clevelands
>     only got cast iron pumps & as usual I wanted to lose some weight. So I
>     put a Cleveland gearotor set in a std die-cast aluminum 351-W pump,
>     which required a thick machined spacer-cap. The 460 pump was smaller &
>     shorter. That's why I said the Cleveland pump was quite a bit larger
>     than any other Ford gearotor oil pump. Haven't measured flow in
>     gallons/minute but a taller rotor & impeller running at the same speed
>     into the same size oil passages pretty much has to yield more oil flow.
>     I first did this trick to my poor little Corvair 6 in the previous
>     century: that thing ran 270,000 really hard miles with taller 327 Chev
>     V8 pump gears adapted.
>     Cheers- J DeRyke
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>     To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>     Sent: Tue, Oct 3, 2017 5:01 pm
>     Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: Cleveland oil pump
>     Dear Forum,
>     I found this in an old archived email from 2004:
>     "The extra-large Cleveland oil pump requires a great
>     amount of torque to turn. The Cleveland pump is the largest of any
>     small block engine. "
>     In my amateur engine building, I have never run across
>     any reference such as that.
>     Does anyone know if it *is* the largest oil pump of
>     any small block engine?
>     Does anyone know *how much* torque is required to turn
>     the average Cleveland pump with average weight oil???
>     Curious, Chuck Engles
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   As for the power it needs, my 400W drill really struggles when I use it
   to prime the oiling system. I can only run it in short bursts before it
   starts to smell hot electronics.
   /Thomas

   Den 2017-10-04 kl. 10:07, skrev Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso:

   When I was looking for a lightweight oil pump for my Fontana block many
   years ago, I borrowed pumps from a Ford 302, a 351-W, a 390/427 FE and
   a 460. The gearotors all were the same diameter but the thickness was
   greatest in the 351-C. The pump body was large & heavy since Clevelands
   only got cast iron pumps & as usual I wanted to lose some weight. So I
   put a Cleveland gearotor set in a std die-cast aluminum 351-W pump,
   which required a thick machined spacer-cap. The 460 pump was smaller &
   shorter. That's why I said the Cleveland pump was quite a bit larger
   than any other Ford gearotor oil pump. Haven't measured flow in
   gallons/minute but a taller rotor & impeller running at the same speed
   into the same size oil passages pretty much has to yield more oil flow.
   I first did this trick to my poor little Corvair 6 in the previous
   century: that thing ran 270,000 really hard miles with taller 327 Chev
   V8 pump gears adapted.
   Cheers- J DeRyke
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Charles Engles [1]<cengles at cox.net>
   To: detomaso [2]<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Tue, Oct 3, 2017 5:01 pm
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: Cleveland oil pump
   Dear Forum,
   I found this in an old archived email from 2004:
   "The extra-large Cleveland oil pump requires a great
   amount of torque to turn. The Cleveland pump is the largest of any
   small block engine. "
   In my amateur engine building, I have never run across
   any reference such as that.
   Does anyone know if it *is* the largest oil pump of
   any small block engine?
   Does anyone know *how much* torque is required to turn
   the average Cleveland pump with average weight oil???
   Curious, Chuck Engles
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