[DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered vehicles by 2027

Mon Oct 2 21:31:37 EDT 2017

I think we should get up a national petition to ban.............Jerry Brown. 
That druggy has been around pushing his agenda way too long.
Just my .02

-----Original Message----- 
From: Julian Kift
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2017 11:37 PM
To: Himes, Terry (397C) ; Will Kooiman ; Rob Dumoulin ; Ken Green
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered vehicles 
by 2027

Point taken, however I was perhaps in-eloquently trying to convey that 
targets are politically selective.

Oh well, at least when Kim Jon Un lets loose a few rockets he's depleting 
some ozone.....

Julian

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From: Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 9:16 PM
To: Julian Kift; Will Kooiman; Rob Dumoulin; Ken Green
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered vehicles 
by 2027

You are wrong sir.  Respectfully.  VOCs are produced by a lot of things. Not 
just cars. Paint, for example, releases TONS of VOC

into the air. If you calculate how much paint is sold it is easy to 
calculate how much VOC is released into the atmosphere. That’s

just one.  There are a thousand more. Printing inks, etc.  Anything 
manufactured via formula based batch process.  How do I know

this? I started my software company producing Manufacturing software for the 
made-by-formula industries.  Beside finance and inventory

control, my popular modules were Lab*Calc and MSDS. Tracking hazardous 
materials (raw & product) was important for right-to-know

laws but also labeling. If a tanker car turned over in your neighborhood, 
the fire department (etc) need to know what to do.

(ok. Too much information, I know ;-)

VOCs are an important precursor, or component in the formation of ground 
level ozone, a major part of California's smog problem.

By regulating the amount of VOCsin consumer products, ARB is helping to 
reduce smog and reduce public exposure to the hazards

associated with smog.Mar 27, 2014

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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 7:46 PM
To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>, Will Kooiman 
<will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>, Ken Green 
<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered vehicles 
by 2027

It would be good to be able to get a straight truth on what compounds have 
what effects, I doubt VOC's have had a huge effect on smog reduction. 
China's problem is mostly associated with coal fired power generation, let 
me rephrase that "antiquated coal fired power generation with no little to 
no stack controls", there are ways to clean burn coal and even convert coal 
to liquids.

Last time I drove over to an event at Thunderhill I literally couldn't see 
the road in front the truck due to smoke as the farmers were burning the 
rice stubble. Tell me again we need to ban gasoline cars, it's a hypocrisy 
not a democracy!

Julian

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of 
Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 6:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered vehicles 
by 2027

That and tougher VOC laws. Lots of people not happy with restrictions about 
what you can
push into the air, requiring better filtering. But it has made a huge 
difference. I’ll try to find
the picture from my friend who is in China every month for Fitbit.  The 
pollution is disgusting.

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
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On 9/30/17, 9:54 PM, "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:

    Curios - what made the brown air go away?

    Was it catalytic converters?

    It certainly wasn’t electric cars.

    On 9/27/17, 2:52 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C)"
    <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
    terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

    >I was raised in Michigan and lived on the east coast for 15 years. Now
    >that I am in
    >Californica my blood has thinned, so I think we need to build a WALL.
    >But across the
    >Canadian border to keep all the cold air out.  ;-))
    >
    >I have to say, you can ACTUALLLY breath the air in LA now.  You couldn’t
    >15 years ago.
    >They used to close the school’s due to brown-outs.  So thick, you
    >couldn’t see the mountains.
    >That $hit wasn’t caused by natural phenomenon.  Just sayin’  ;-)
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
    >
    >Terry W. Himes
    >JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
    >Dawn Spacecraft Team
    >Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
    >Phone: (818) 393-6261
    >Cell:     (818) 653-8213
    >thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
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    >
    >
    >On 9/27/17, 11:42 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
    ><detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of 
rob at dumoulins.net>
    >wrote:
    >
    >    That is hilarious.  You guys in California really need to write 
your
    >own
    >    constitution and secede from the nation.  The money we save by not
    >building
    >    a border wall on your southern border would at least start the wall
    >up your
    >    Eastern border.  Maybe after that happens, I can actually buy a gas
    >can
    >    with a vent cap on it again.
    >
    >    Rob DuMoulin
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    >    rob at dumoulins.net
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    >    On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <
    >    detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
    >
    >    >     [1]Could California ban gasoline cars?
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    >    >                      Could California ban gasoline cars?
    >    >
    >    >    California Gov. Jerry Brown has expressed interest in banning
    >cars that
    >    >    burn fossil fuels, the state's top c...
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