[DeTomaso] NPC - Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered vehicles by 2027
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 2 00:45:12 EDT 2017
It seems a little incestuous when a state employee can buy politicians who determine their salary.
In general I can see a valid need for private sector unions because large companies have done a lot really bad things in the past (like in the asbestos mines). With the global economy, American labor is competing with Chinese labor, and that doesn't work out well for the American. It's like the good news is TVs are cheaper, the bad news is you just lost you job so you can't even buy the cheap TV. And making it worse, the technology corporations have traded away to foreign governments to get into their markets, also has military applications.
It seems like a lot has gone wrong the past 50 years because we have all the great technology, but moms (or stay home dads) use to have at least the option of staying home to raise the kids, and to a great extent manage the family (which is in a lot of ways a business), or to work outside the home. Now, in spite of all the technology that make us more productive, that option is largely gone. Maybe we have just all gotten too much into big houses, fancy cars, and lots of toys. I'm not sure all of that actually leads to a better life?
Ken
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered vehicles by 2027
Yes. CA, NY and IL have massively unfunded pension liabilities. They are looking at long term solutions,
Really long. But politicians need to rein in the Unions, and change their retirement plans.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
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On 10/1/17, 6:02 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Maybe if it gets bad enough, people will figure out that there is no free lunch. I read last week that California has $300,000,0000,000 in unfunded government pensions. At some point, it will hit the fan. What I worry most about is waiting till house prices fall like a rock as it becomes a 3rd world economy with almost no middle class left. Right now I could sell my house and have enough equity to buy something nice in a lot of places. If prices crash, maybe not : (
Are there any Panteras in Prescott Arizona?
Ken
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Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered vehicles by 2027
You think Brown is bad? He is a princess compared to our next governor...just wait.
Brent
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net> wrote:
>
> That is hilarious.A You guys in California really need to write your
> own constitution and secede from the nation.A The money we save by not
> building a border wall on your southern border would at least start the
> wall up your Eastern border.A Maybe after that happens, I can actually
> buy a gas can with a vent cap on it again.
>
> Rob DuMoulin
> 904.476.8744
> [1]rob at dumoulins.net
> [2]www.kbsi.co
> [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
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> A A [1]Could California ban gasoline cars?
> A A A A A A A A A A A Could California ban gasoline cars?
> A A California Gov. Jerry Brown has expressed interest in banning
> cars that
> A A burn fossil fuels, the state's top c...
> References
> A A Visible links
> A A 1. [5]http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Could-
> California-ban-gasoline-cars-12230949.php
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It seems a little incestuous when a state employee can buy politicians
who determine their salary.
In general I can see a valid need for private sector unions because
large companies have done a lot really bad things in the past (like in
the asbestos mines). With the global economy, American labor is
competing with Chinese labor, and that doesn't work out well for the
American. It's like the good news is TVs are cheaper, the bad news is
you just lost you job so you can't even buy the cheap TV. And making
it worse, the technology corporations have traded away to foreign
governments to get into their markets, also has military applications.
It seems like a lot has gone wrong the past 50 years because we have
all the great technology, but moms (or stay home dads) use to have at
least the option of staying home to raise the kids, and to a great
extent manage the family (which is in a lot of ways a business), or to
work outside the home. Now, in spite of all the technology that make
us more productive, that option is largely gone. Maybe we have just
all gotten too much into big houses, fancy cars, and lots of toys. I'm
not sure all of that actually leads to a better life?
Ken
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From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; Brent Stewart
<bjbstewart at yahoo.com>; Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 6:37 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered
vehicles by 2027
Yes. CA, NY and IL have massively unfunded pension liabilities. They
are looking at long term solutions,
Really long. But politicians need to rein in the Unions, and change
their retirement plans.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
d--od-,
On 10/1/17, 6:02 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
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Maybe if it gets bad enough, people will figure out that there is
no free lunch. I read last week that California has $300,000,0000,000
in unfunded government pensions. At some point, it will hit the fan.
What I worry most about is waiting till house prices fall like a rock
as it becomes a 3rd world economy with almost no middle class left.
Right now I could sell my house and have enough equity to buy something
nice in a lot of places. If prices crash, maybe not : (
Are there any Panteras in Prescott Arizona?
Ken
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To: Rob Dumoulin <[5]rob at dumoulins.net>
Cc: Ken Green <[6]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
<[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jerry Brown wants to ban gasoline powered
vehicles by 2027
You think Brown is bad? He is a princess compared to our next
governor...just wait.
Brent
> On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Rob Dumoulin <[8]rob at dumoulins.net>
wrote:
>
> That is hilarious.A You guys in California really need to write
your
> own constitution and secede from the nation.A The money we save
by not
> building a border wall on your southern border would at least
start the
> wall up your Eastern border.A Maybe after that happens, I can
actually
> buy a gas can with a vent cap on it again.
>
> Rob DuMoulin
> 904.476.8744
> [1][9]rob at dumoulins.net
> [2]www.kbsi.co
> [3][10]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
> <[4][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> A A [1]Could California ban gasoline cars?
> A A A A A A A A A A A Could California ban gasoline
cars?
> A A California Gov. Jerry Brown has expressed interest in
banning
> cars that
> A A burn fossil fuels, the state's top c...
> References
> A A Visible links
> A A 1.
[5][12]http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Could-
> California-ban-gasoline-cars-12230949.php
> A A Hidden links:
> A A 3.
[6][13]http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Could-
> California-ban-gasoline-cars-12230949.php
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