[DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera

[Jeff Detrich]

So, let me make sure I understand. The theory is that the ears are pushing
in more air than the engine would normally be pumping on its own at 5000
RPM? Seems that would have to be a whole lot more air to get above the
pumping requirement of a Cleveland at 5000 RPM? I wonder where the
breakeven point is, ie, at what speed does the duct enhance the pumping
requirements of the engine?

On a side note, a lot of corvette guys that supercharge their engines use a
water spritz in the air flow to cool it.

Jeff
6559

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Rich Hoppe <richbhoppe at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have the small scoops on one of my cars with fuel injection.  I am in
> Arizona.  I also get significant cooler temp with them.  My car runs a lot
> better in the summer because of the cooler air.  I don’t know or care about
> any ram air benefits at high speeds.  The cool air benefit is what I was
> looking for. Rich
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:56 PM, JFFR <pantera at vtc.net> wrote:
> >
> > My car has small side scoops that replaced the side windows. They really
> don't stick out much at all, but they have four inch hoses that feed air
> into a sealed air box. The only way that the engine can get air into it is
> through the side scoops. There have been a number of people that have seen
> this set up on my car at the last four Pantera fun rallies. I have engine
> inlet air temperature readings in real time that tell me what the air
> temperature is with the scoops attached and with them unattached. My tests
> showed that the air is 40 degrees hotter with the hoses unattached. With
> fuel injection and an on dash monitor it is very easy to test this. The car
> will be at the next fun rally wherever it will be and we can do some
> testing there.
> >
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   So, let me make sure I understand. The theory is that the ears are
   pushing in more air than the engine would normally be pumping on its
   own at 5000 RPM? Seems that would have to be a whole lot more air to
   get above the pumping requirement of a Cleveland at 5000 RPM? I wonder
   where the breakeven point is, ie, at what speed does the duct enhance
   the pumping requirements of the engine?
   On a side note, a lot of corvette guys that supercharge their engines
   use a water spritz in the air flow to cool it.A
   Jeff
   6559

   On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Rich Hoppe <[1]richbhoppe at gmail.com>
   wrote:

     I have the small scoops on one of my cars with fuel injection.A  I
     am in Arizona.A  I also get significant cooler temp with them.A  My
     car runs a lot better in the summer because of the cooler air.A  I
     donat know or care about any ram air benefits at high speeds.A  The
     cool air benefit is what I was looking for. Rich
     Sent from my iPhone

   > On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:56 PM, JFFR <[2]pantera at vtc.net> wrote:
   >
   > My car has small side scoops that replaced the side windows. They
   really don't stick out much at all, but they have four inch hoses that
   feed air into a sealed air box. The only way that the engine can get
   air into it is through the side scoops. There have been a number of
   people that have seen this set up on my car at the last four Pantera
   fun rallies. I have engine inlet air temperature readings in real time
   that tell me what the air temperature is with the scoops attached and
   with them unattached. My tests showed that the air is 40 degrees hotter
   with the hoses unattached. With fuel injection and an on dash monitor
   it is very easy to test this. The car will be at the next fun rally
   wherever it will be and we can do some testing there.
   >
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