[DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sat Nov 18 10:46:37 EST 2017 

The decklid cutout looks to have a NACA duct behind it, so perhaps more than a simple rectangular opening? I sold a fiberglass decklid that had NACA ducts installed in that very location not too long ago.


Lots of theory about the NACA (Submerged duct) vs. a scoop here; http://www.ivanitski.com/naca-duct-vs-scoop/

[http://www.ivanitski.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/NACA_Duct_vs_Scoop.jpg]<http://www.ivanitski.com/naca-duct-vs-scoop/>

NACA Duct vs. Scoops | Ivanitski<http://www.ivanitski.com/naca-duct-vs-scoop/>
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Have you ever wondered which is best for aerodynamics: the NACA duct or the scoop? The engineers at Ivanitski share their thoughts. Read more!

Julian


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Looks nice, but I have one concern.  It's been my understanding that the
laminar flow of air along the sides of the Pantera require enormous
"elephant ear" style scoops in the rear quarter window area to catch it
because it's so far off the car.  The small scoops don't pick up the air
at higher speeds.

So.... the simple rectangular openings in the sail panels of the rear
deck lid would seem to me, to be -wrong-.  I would pose the problem is
going to be stagnant air, or even negative pressure nearly equaling the
that of the air pump that is the engine.  I'm not an engineer (I only
play one on TV) but it seems if they really wanted air, they'd need to
put some scoops on those intakes so they can actually catch the air
going where it is.

What to the experts think?  I'm curious to understand it better.

Asa  Jay

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Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
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On 11/17/2017 7:35 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. wrote:
> THANKS....surprised that I actually like it!  especially the front splitter blend into the grill and bumpers
> Wonder how the "intakes" on the sails
>
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>
> A couple pics from the Ford Motorsports weekly email. I'm sure being a factory Ford driver gets him a nice discount on parts.
>
> Joey Logano, Brad Keselowski, Greg Biffle and Kurt Busch all have Ford GTs, not sure if they are company cars or if they were purchased.
>
> http://performance.ford.com/series/stock-car-racing/news/articles/stock-car-racing/2017/11/kurt-busch-pantera.html
>
>
>     --mike
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   The decklid cutout looks to have a NACA duct behind it, so perhaps more
   than a simple rectangular opening? I sold a fiberglass decklid that had
   NACA ducts installed in that very location not too long ago.

   Lots of theory about the NACA (Submerged duct) vs. a scoop
   here; [1]http://www.ivanitski.com/naca-duct-vs-scoop/
   [2][NACA_Duct_vs_Scoop.jpg]
   [3]NACA Duct vs. Scoops | Ivanitski
   www.ivanitski.com
   Have you ever wondered which is best for aerodynamics: the NACA duct or
   the scoop? The engineers at Ivanitski share their thoughts. Read more!
   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 10:37 PM
   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera

   Looks nice, but I have one concern.  It's been my understanding that
   the
   laminar flow of air along the sides of the Pantera require enormous
   "elephant ear" style scoops in the rear quarter window area to catch it
   because it's so far off the car.  The small scoops don't pick up the
   air
   at higher speeds.
   So.... the simple rectangular openings in the sail panels of the rear
   deck lid would seem to me, to be -wrong-.  I would pose the problem is
   going to be stagnant air, or even negative pressure nearly equaling the
   that of the air pump that is the engine.  I'm not an engineer (I only
   play one on TV) but it seems if they really wanted air, they'd need to
   put some scoops on those intakes so they can actually catch the air
   going where it is.
   What to the experts think?  I'm curious to understand it better.
   Asa  Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
   ******************************
   [4]http://w7tsc.org
   [5][b290fd10ef588c4cb936400b56a26828.jpg]
   [6]W7TSC
   w7tsc.org
   Amateur Ham Radio hobby information for W7TSC, AN/TSC-60(V)9, Yaesu
   System Fusion DR-1X repeater and more
   [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
   [8]Team Pantera Racing
   www.teampanteraracing.com
   Team Pantera Racing - The place to follow Open Road Racing and other
   Pantera's engaged in high performance events.
   On 11/17/2017 7:35 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. wrote:
   > THANKS....surprised that I actually like it!  especially the front
   splitter blend into the grill and bumpers
   > Wonder how the "intakes" on the sails
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf Of Michael Cox
   > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 21:53 PM
   > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera
   >
   > A couple pics from the Ford Motorsports weekly email. I'm sure being
   a factory Ford driver gets him a nice discount on parts.
   >
   > Joey Logano, Brad Keselowski, Greg Biffle and Kurt Busch all have
   Ford GTs, not sure if they are company cars or if they were purchased.
   >
   >
   [10]http://performance.ford.com/series/stock-car-racing/news/articles/s
   tock-car-racing/2017/11/kurt-busch-pantera.html
   >
   >
   >     --mike
   >
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References

   1. http://www.ivanitski.com/naca-duct-vs-scoop/
   2. http://www.ivanitski.com/naca-duct-vs-scoop/
   3. http://www.ivanitski.com/naca-duct-vs-scoop/
   4. http://w7tsc.org/
   5. http://w7tsc.org/
   6. http://w7tsc.org/
   7. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
   8. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
   9. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  10. http://performance.ford.com/series/stock-car-racing/news/articles/stock-car-racing/2017/11/kurt-busch-pantera.html
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