[DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera

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Sat Nov 18 03:06:31 EST 2017 

You're correct- for a stock body car. One reason I wanted to see wind tunnel smoke wand trails down the sides is, those large dive plane elements they added to the ends of the air dam will send vortexes along the sides of the car and 'clean' the boundary layers to a greater or lesser extent. And shaving the rain channels off the a-pillars will help skinny up the side boundary layers as well. All this will also affect whatever rear wing, spoiler or whatever they use to balance the front air dam. Dunno what exactly the Gr-4 flares will add or subtract to all this. And they're not talking about the underside at all....

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From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera


Looks nice, but I have one concern. It's been my understanding that the
laminar flow of air along the sides of the Pantera require enormous
"elephant ear" style scoops in the rear quarter window area to catch it
because it's so far off the car. The small scoops don't pick up the air
at higher speeds.

So.... the simple rectangular openings in the sail panels of the rear
deck lid would seem to me, to be -wrong-. I would pose the problem is
going to be stagnant air, or even negative pressure nearly equaling the
that of the air pump that is the engine. I'm not an engineer (I only
play one on TV) but it seems if they really wanted air, they'd need to
put some scoops on those intakes so they can actually catch the air
going where it is.

What to the experts think? I'm curious to understand it better.

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
******************************
http://w7tsc.org
http://www.teampanteraracing.com


On 11/17/2017 7:35 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. wrote:
> THANKS....surprised that I actually like it! especially the front splitter blend into the grill and bumpers
> Wonder how the "intakes" on the sails
>
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> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 21:53 PM
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>
> A couple pics from the Ford Motorsports weekly email. I'm sure being a factory Ford driver gets him a nice discount on parts.
>
> Joey Logano, Brad Keselowski, Greg Biffle and Kurt Busch all have Ford GTs, not sure if they are company cars or if they were purchased.
>
> http://performance.ford.com/series/stock-car-racing/news/articles/stock-car-racing/2017/11/kurt-busch-pantera.html
>
>
> --mike
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   You're correct- for a stock body car. One reason I wanted to see wind
   tunnel smoke wand trails down the sides is, those large dive plane
   elements they added to the ends of the air dam will send vortexes along
   the sides of the car and 'clean' the boundary layers to a greater or
   lesser extent. And shaving the rain channels off the a-pillars will
   help skinny up the side boundary layers as well. All this will also
   affect whatever rear wing, spoiler or whatever they use to balance the
   front air dam. Dunno what exactly the Gr-4 flares will add or subtract
   to all this. And they're not talking about the underside at all....
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
   To: detomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 10:38 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera
   Looks nice, but I have one concern. It's been my understanding that the
   laminar flow of air along the sides of the Pantera require enormous
   "elephant ear" style scoops in the rear quarter window area to catch it
   because it's so far off the car. The small scoops don't pick up the air
   at higher speeds.
   So.... the simple rectangular openings in the sail panels of the rear
   deck lid would seem to me, to be -wrong-. I would pose the problem is
   going to be stagnant air, or even negative pressure nearly equaling the
   that of the air pump that is the engine. I'm not an engineer (I only
   play one on TV) but it seems if they really wanted air, they'd need to
   put some scoops on those intakes so they can actually catch the air
   going where it is.
   What to the experts think? I'm curious to understand it better.
   Asa Jay
   Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
   Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
   ******************************
   [1]http://w7tsc.org
   [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com
   On 11/17/2017 7:35 PM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. wrote:
   > THANKS....surprised that I actually like it! especially the front
   splitter blend into the grill and bumpers
   > Wonder how the "intakes" on the sails
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso [[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf Of Michael Cox
   > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 21:53 PM
   > To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Kurt Busch Pantera
   >
   > A couple pics from the Ford Motorsports weekly email. I'm sure being
   a factory Ford driver gets him a nice discount on parts.
   >
   > Joey Logano, Brad Keselowski, Greg Biffle and Kurt Busch all have
   Ford GTs, not sure if they are company cars or if they were purchased.
   >
   >
   [5]http://performance.ford.com/series/stock-car-racing/news/articles/st
   ock-car-racing/2017/11/kurt-busch-pantera.html
   >
   >
   > --mike
   >
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